164 deaths and 1.8 million dollars a year in claims for deer collisions, how many of them have you heard about?
In before the gun confiscation NUTS.....
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Well, for one thing, collisions with deer aren't really a high profile controversy and, for another thing, 164 is 0.02% of a million.
As analogies go, that one is really, really, really bad.
Well you're an idiot so I wasn't going to work that hard.
Would you like to hear about all of them? You'd just claim it was sponsored by the gun companies.
Theo your issue is you can't understand why everyone else doesn't see how dangerous the inanimate object is, and why they aren't as terrified of it as you are.
Our issue is we aren't terrified of an inanimate object, and really don't understand why you are.
So, you could have posted something that made sense but you chose not to?
Honestly, I enjoy watching you all trying to stick to the company line. I'm pretty sure at least half of you are intelligent enough to realize that a million DGUs a year is a ridiculous claim.
Precisely. You're not my supervisor!!!!
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The first king who’s ever taken power by the most votes and come in and made the government smaller. lol
To clean up the epic disaster after you elected a incompetent, mumbling, senile, corrupt, liberal, weak old fool instead of a President.
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Then proceeded to vote for a woman who took the nomination with no one voting for her to have it. But Trump is a king…..
Comments like this are perfect examples of despite facts being plainly presented to them, they’ll always refuse to deviate from their narrative. They maintain their over version of “reality” at all costs.
Good catch, and the same woman's political career was based on providing sexual favors. She is as stupid as a broken hammer as well.
So in your mind, that's a ridiculous claim. And the smart claim is yours....that there can't be that many DGUs cause the media never reports them.
The same media that we have actual evidence of the government paying them to lie to the American people.
You think the smart take is to listen to what the (paid) media tells you about guns. And the ridiculous take is to reject what the media says about guns, and think for yourself about the issue.
Ok, I think we're done here.
I missed the part where King Trump declared that his political enemies were domestic terrorists and jailed them.
But I caught the part where President Biden did precisely that.
People who hate Trump are hating the fact that what he’s doing is getting results. He’s un encumbered by the prospect of reelection which is allowing him to be as aggressive as he is. And it’s working and the radical left hates it.
People who we’ve accused of not having Americas best interest are proving us to be right because they’d all rather have Trump fail and hurt the country than be wrong and Trump being successful.
Democrats have never been accused of being the brightest bulbs on the tree. Bill is a democrat
So your theory is that the government and the media are successfully covering up over 2,700 DGUs every single day?
That's interesting and not surprising. America makes it very easy for criminals to arm themselves heavily.
The Forrest Gump of the parking lot shows his colors again....gun companies arm the innocent law abiding people..who outnumber the bad people by about 10,000 to one so that we can defend ourselves
Which is where all those DGUs come from. That's just basic math.
That's why Eddie the eagle "not my name" has had neither a shooter or school? Cope harder Theo
Theo KNOWS that none of us peasants should ever have a dangerous sharp edged sword either.....
One of the big reason that I no longer attend any sport or other activity on UF's campus is the fact that I can't bring a weapon on campus, not even if it's left locked securely in my vehicle. I live (rural) many miles from campus, so I'd have to travel there and back in potential victim mode. Now a FL Senator with a brain wants to change that...
A Florida Senate bill would permit the right to concealed carry on college campuses, with a senator sponsoring the bill saying “no magic force field” prevents criminals from carrying a gun to school.
(or anywhere else,,, Well Duh!)
Senate Bill 814 intends to authorize “persons to carry firearms on the property of any college or university,” according to the bill’s language. In a release from Fine, it was stated that bill 814 was filed to extend concealed carry rights to college and university campuses. The Second Amendment does not take the semester off when you step on a college campus,” Fine said in the release.
Fine “previously committed to file such legislation in the aftermath of the Muslim terror attacks of October 7, 2023 and many universities around the country refusing to protect their students from on-campus Muslim terror,” the release said.
If passed, the bill would go into effect July 1, 2025, according to the Florida Senate website. In April 2023, Gov. Ron DeSantis signed into law House Bill 543, which removed “the requirement for having a concealed firearm license to carry a concealed firearm in Florida,” the document stated. So since July 2023, Florida has been a constitutional carry state – meaning one need not have a license in order to carry – a document from the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services stated. (notice that 'Dodge City' has not broken out anywhere in Florida)
A Florida Senate bill would permit the right to concealed carry on college campuses, with a senator sponsoring the bill saying “no magic force field” prevents criminals from carrying a gun to school.
(or anywhere else,,, Well Duh!)
Senate Bill 814 intends to authorize “persons to carry firearms on the property of any college or university,” according to the bill’s language. In a release from Fine, it was stated that bill 814 was filed to extend concealed carry rights to college and university campuses. The Second Amendment does not take the semester off when you step on a college campus,” Fine said in the release.
Fine “previously committed to file such legislation in the aftermath of the Muslim terror attacks of October 7, 2023 and many universities around the country refusing to protect their students from on-campus Muslim terror,” the release said.
If passed, the bill would go into effect July 1, 2025, according to the Florida Senate website. In April 2023, Gov. Ron DeSantis signed into law House Bill 543, which removed “the requirement for having a concealed firearm license to carry a concealed firearm in Florida,” the document stated. So since July 2023, Florida has been a constitutional carry state – meaning one need not have a license in order to carry – a document from the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services stated. (notice that 'Dodge City' has not broken out anywhere in Florida)
Estimates range wildly because the definition isn’t agreed upon.
But estimates range from 55k to 4+ million.
Is the media covering it up or just ignoring it because it doesn’t serve a narrative?
Ever hear the term “if it bleeds it leads”?
Yep, criminals don’t have weapons anywhere but here
Do you happen to have a link to the 4+M claim? I love to see how in the heck they came up with that.
Can you even Google?
Seriously, you're way smarter than us. So smart you can't even do a basic web search?
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Estimates of defensive gun uses (DGUs) in the United States range from 55,000 to 4.7 million per year, depending on the study. The exact number is difficult to determine because of varying definitions, survey methods, and other factors.
Estimates of defensive gun uses
- National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS): Estimates around 70,000 DGUs per year
- Gary Kleck's telephone surveys: Estimates around 2.5 million DGUs per year
- Gun Violence Archive (GVA): Estimates fewer than 2,000 DGUs per year
Factors affecting estimates
- Survey design: Different survey methods can introduce bias
- Study population: The people being surveyed can affect the results
- Timeframe: The time period being studied can affect the results
- Definitions: Different studies may define "defensive gun use" differently
Conclusions
Americanprogress.org notes that despite the wide range of estimates, all surveys that look at both criminal and defensive uses find that guns are used more often for criminal activity.
So, you don’t have a link to that 4M+ number. No problem, I just wanted to see who came up with that.
So not only can you not look your own stuff up...you cannot read either? Because I saw a 4.7 million figure in his post.
Theo isn't about to let facts get in the way of a good narrative. Emotional thinkers never do.
I asked Grok how many DGUs there are a year in the US, and got more or less the same answer as Fatman, anywhere from 2,000 a year to 2.5 million, depending on the source. No one knows for sure.
I did think this part was interesting: "Empirical Data (Gun Violence Archive - GVA):
The GVA, which tracks verified news reports, logs fewer than 2,000 DGUs annually (e.g., 1,600 in 2014, 2,000+ in 2017). This is a “floor” estimate, as it only captures incidents reported by media or police, missing many unreported cases. "
So that's where Theo is getting his claim that there's only 2k DGUs a year. Because the media is only reporting that many.
This is called gaslighting yourself.
Grok seems to be sayin the likely number is around 1 to 1.5 million a year. And that your favorite source is waaaaay off:
"The true number likely lies between the extremes. The NCVS’s 60,000-100,000 is a conservative baseline, while 1.6-2.5 million from broader surveys suggests a higher prevalence, though possibly overstated. The GVA’s low count reflects only documented cases, hinting the real figure could be in the hundreds of thousands—more than gun crimes (around 1.1-1.2 million reported annually) but not millions. Without a unified tracking system, precision remains elusive, and the debate reflects competing narratives more than settled fact."
So guns are being used defensively to stop gun crimes every single day, tens of thousands of times. Daily.
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I understand someone wrote 4.7M. I would like to see who arrived at that number and how they did it. If you guys can't provide that, no problem.
He told you where: He googled it.
I did the same thing and got this:
"It is widely accepted that the numbers range from hundreds of thousands, to multiple millions per year. 1 "
And here's the source for that: https://www.thetrace.org/2022/06/defensive-gun-use-data-good-guys-with-guns/#:~:text=For years, the CDC cited,million defensive gun uses each
So your claims of a couple thousand a year are insanely off. Looks like it's a million or more, as said earlier.
I guess my question is too difficult for you all to understand. Let's move on.
What are you talking about "your claims of a couple thousand a year"?
Everyone here understands exactly what you are trying to do. Everyone but you understands that it's not working.
You've always claimed that there are only a few thousand DGUs a year at best, because that's all the media reports.
Both Gemini and Grok agree that the source of that claim, GVA, is way off. Both sources agree the actual number of DGUs a year is over a million, if not millions.
This is why it's a good idea to research these issues yourself, instead of blindly believing propaganda from the gun crazies.
