If this is true, then some heads need to roll.
- Thread starter Homosassie Gator
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I guess we can play this game, where we ignore what is written in the article link and attack the messenger. This was posted over 2 weeks ago. We can safely assume where your head has been planted. And you guessed wrong. Unless being a gator fan since birth by legacy makes one a "newbie". If you are okay with what is presented in the article and what ultimately transpired, it is highly likely you were okay with the Muschamp and McElwain eras.
We haven’t played one game under Mullen, we have a more optimistic outlook for this season and more positive energy in our program than we have had in several years, and you are attacking the integrity of the hiring process based on the ambiguous quote of an opposing team assistant coach that omits serious aspects of the coaching search and is contrary to the formal statements of the principal parties.
...and you are also attacking long-standing gator posters on this board...
Yeah...you’re a gator alright...sure...
Maybe you missed the subject line where I state "IF this is true". IF it is true, then I believe we have a serious problem with those involved in the process, starting with Stricklin. Just because you might not agree with my opinion, it does not make me a troll.
"Attacking"?????? Hardly. Responding to an insult with a tame insult of mine own. And let's be clear. I don't give a rats arse how long someone has posted on this board. I don't care if you share head time with him or her in the same orifice. I will post what I want, when I want and there isn't anything you can do about it. When it is time to praise, I am the first. When it is time to be critical, I will also be the first. Feel free to disagree, but is it necessary to resort to juvenile name calling? I am a fair and honest individual. Don't be so thin skinned.
Go Gators!!!
"Attacking"?????? Hardly. Responding to an insult with a tame insult of mine own. And let's be clear. I don't give a rats arse how long someone has posted on this board. I don't care if you share head time with him or her in the same orifice. I will post what I want, when I want and there isn't anything you can do about it. When it is time to praise, I am the first. When it is time to be critical, I will also be the first. Feel free to disagree, but is it necessary to resort to juvenile name calling? I am a fair and honest individual. Don't be so thin skinned.
Go Gators!!!
I believe we have a serious problem with those involved in the process, starting with Stricklin./QUOTE]
I don't care what you believe, Homo, and you're FoS imo anyway...
Just because you might not agree with my opinion, it does not make me a troll. ./QUOTE]
No, it just makes you WRONG!
I will post what I want, when I want /QUOTE]
Yeah, me too...
is it necessary to resort to juvenile name calling? I am a fair and honest individual. /QUOTE]
No it's not necessary, it's just alota fun for some of us...
If you're a blond, then that's about all that's anything close to 'fair' about you.
Otherwise, 'fair & honest' is a bigger joke than you are as a whole (or as a hole)...
Don't be so thin skinned./QUOTE]
Yeah, and you neither...
About the only thing in your post that I found worthwhile...
If Frost and whoever else thinks that his OC and DC at Orlando would have been good in the SEC are in a dreamworld. Yes I give UCF all the dibs in the world for what they accomplished this past season and I will be the first to stand up and say they were done wrong by not giving an opportunity in the playoffs. But I will not agree 100% that bringing their Coaches to UF would have been a good thing. We've already had this situation with Jim Mac and look how that turned out. Whenever you bring your "buddies" with you it will be a huge issue if it doesn't work out and Mac showed us just that. Myself, if I were a HC at the high school and above and I brought my buddy to Coach the DC I would tell him the very first day that we are on a professional level while at work and everything I do and say is only on a professional level even if it means his job. Mac could not do this and I'm sure Frost would have brought his buddies with him but I'm telling you guys now Florida got the perfect HC and he will be here longer than any previous Coach UF has ever had. To be honest he may retire from here and some of us will be in the six feet under club by the time he leaves. Yes some of us are that old but I am dead set on Coach Mullen being hired. There is just something about him that makes him very likable. Maybe one day we can get Charlie Strong back here because I love his defenses which won one more Championship more than any DC UF has ever had. Some may disagree about this but if you look at the stats of his defenses they were ranked way up there when comparing after he left. But Steve will always be "Da Man" no matter what because he brought Florida our first championship and well he actually changed the whole game.
I will say the same thing now that I said then.
Chip Kelly was the guy I really wanted. He was the "splash hire" that would have thrown us into the hunt. However, it turned out he really wanted to be on the West Coast. He would have coached here for a few years then bolted.
Scott Frost was only interesting because he coached in Florida and was a hot name because he had some success at a tier II school. But he wasn't a southeast guy. He was a Nebraska guy, and he went to Nebraska. If the Nebraska job hadn't opened, and we got him, he would have been gone as soon as it did open.
What we got was the guy who really understands us and our program. It will take him longer than it would Chip Kelley, because he's not a big splash hire. But he's a good coach who knows how to have success on the field and he will get us to where we want to be. Or at least to where we can be.
Our biggest problem as a group is this idea that we are so far superior to everyone else that we should have our pick of players and coaches and we should win the title every year. We need a bit of realism to go along with our dreams. Anyone who disputes that we believe in our Godlike superiority needs to reread the OP's post, where he says we should have our pick of top candidates, as if everyone is lining up and begging to come work here.
I agree with everything you said minus the last part. You are the flagship university for one of the most talent rich states in the country. You have deep enough pockets to where y’all could buy FSU and UM if you wanted to. Top candidates should be knocking down the door when there is a coaching vacancy there.
I will say the same thing now that I said then.
Chip Kelly was the guy I really wanted. He was the "splash hire" that would have thrown us into the hunt.
What we got was the guy who really understands us and our program. It will take him longer than it would Chip Kelley, because he's not a big splash hire.
Your 'SPLASH' - hire looks a lot more like a big juicy 'wet flop' to me...
Dan Mullen - UF
#18 Rivals 2018 Class.- 18 taken with a 3.78 Ave - 14 ****, 4 ***
And Dan has since added to that (18) class:
87. WR Van Jefferson 6-2 195 rsJr - EE Fr All SEC (Ms xfer, likely for waiver)
81. WR Trevon Grimes 6-4 202 So - EE (tOSU xfer, still needs a waiver)
55. RT Noah Banks 6-7 305 rsJr - EE (JuCo-AA - #5 OT - 22/50)
??. ILB Umstead Sanders 6-2 240 Jr - JuCo add, summer arrival
#1 TE Lucas Krull 6-7 255 - Shawnee, Kan - JuCo 3 yrs to play.
??. DE Adam Shuler II 6-4 270 rsJr - Longwood, FL (WVa Grad-xfer)
#1-LS Marco Ortiz 6-5 230 Fr - Richmond, VA - Rubio 5 Star, P-WO
cow-Chip Kelly - UCLA
#17 Rivals 2018 Class - 28 taken with a 3.21 Ave - 9 ****, 16 ***
No room to add (28) squat to that class...
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Dan
#31 Rivals 2019 Class -- 11 - 4 ****, 7*** - Ave 3.36
cow-Chip
#78 Rivals 2019 Class -- 4 - 0 ****, 4 *** - Ave 3.0
Sorry Liz, but I think you missed the boat on that SPLASH thingy....
It was more like a wet cow-Chip going SPLAT...
I am willing to see what happens even after hoping we didn't hire him but I can tell you he won't be some big success here if this recruiting doesn't turn around. Not sure if its mostly him or he doesn't have too many good recruiters on staff but we appear to be headed for some mediocre class that is like #6 or so in the SEC and well behind Smart again. That won't cut it in this conference and this is the class new coaches are supposed to show what they have.
A bit of realism is also knowing a #14 or so recruiting class at FL with the recruits in this state is unacceptable once a coach is settled in working on his 2nd class.
I agree with everything you posted. 100% accurate. But, be careful. With such talk you will be branded a "troll", if you don't homer up since the other "long standing" posters like yourself can't hit you with the "newbie".
Insta I wasn't saying you were thin skinned because you aren't. You are special. Special in the sense that we can hope your caregiver makes you wear a helmet at all times, especially when using a keyboard.
You hire a Head Coach and let him bring his people, THEN you hold him accountable if the on/off field results don't materialize. Last thing you need is an AD or boosters dictating who a Head Coach can and can't hire. That is not how it works. AD should have a say in regards to $$$, character, etc, but not beyond that.
Still not sure what all the hype is about (just like UF fans don't get why we love WT). 3-Star-Dan went 43-4 against non P5 schools and the 3 bottom dwellers of the SEC. Against real competition he was 26-42, which includes going 0-9 vs Bama (to be expected), 3-6 vs Auburn, 2-7 vs LSU, & 1-1 vs UF.
I'd be absolutely crushed
by that,,, IF is wasn't coming from a Homo-sissy...
So you are saying he was better against teams that he was superior to than he was against teams that were better than his?
What an amazing insight...
But not nearly as amazing as your claim that the cow-Chip would have been a 'SPLASH' hire, and much quicker to succeed as the HC at UF than Dan...
Dan's already destroyed him with his 2018 1st class, and now it's even worse for the cow-Chip...
Dan
#31 Rivals 2019 Class -- 11 - 4 ****, 7*** - Ave 3.36
cow-Chip
#78 Rivals 2019 Class -- 4 - 0 ****, 4 *** - Ave 3.0
Sorry Lizzy, but I think you missed the boat on that SPLASH thingy....
It was more like a wet cow-Chip going SPLAT...
But your own 'insight' is just as solid as ever....
He was the best coach Mississippi St has ever had. Taggart on the other hand has a losing record.
To be fair he took over 3 dumpster fires and improved each of them.
Im not a big Taggart fan, dont think he is the guy but he was good at taking bad teams and turning them into okay teams.
Fair you say?
A dumpster fire you say?
I'll show you a seething SEC active volcano...
MsSt - 8 seasons prior to Dan
2001 - 3-8
2002 - 3-9
2003 - 2-10
2004 - 3-8
2005 - 3-8
2006 - 3-9
2007 - 8-5 Liberty Bowl -- (crap SoS, on 5 of their 8 wins)
2008 - 4-8
Seven bad LOSER seasons out of 8.
Combined W/L Record 29-65 (..308)
==== -- Dan hired.-- UF 2006-08 BCS-NC OC.
2009 - 5-7 - Missed a bowl by 1 win in his transition year.
2010 - 9-4 Won Gator Bowl
2011 - 7-6 Won Music City Bowl
2012 - 8-5 Lost Gator Bowl
2013 - 7-6 Won Liberty Bowl
2014 - 10-3 Lost Orange Bowl
2015 - 9-4 Won Belk Bowl
2016 - 6-7 Won St.Pete Bowl
2017 - 9-4 Won the TaxSlayer Bowl
Went to 8 Consecutive Bowls with a 6-2 Bowl Record (.750).
Had them as the 'never before' #1 ranked team for 5 weeks.
The best coach in MsSt's entire history.
Combined W/L Record 66-46 (.589) in freakin' Starkvegas...
Taggart ever do anything even close to that???
Lets just say this was already done with Mac and look how that ended up!!! The AD can put his two cents in with any sports as he is overall held responsible!!! How much you want to bet that UF's AD told Mac that his OC had to go and whenever he wouldn't get rid of him Mac brought up the so called threats which were found to be fake as the butter on his teeth..
Fair you say?
A dumpster fire you say?
I'll show you a seething SEC active volcano...
MsSt - 8 seasons prior to Dan
2001 - 3-8
2002 - 3-9
2003 - 2-10
2004 - 3-8
2005 - 3-8
2006 - 3-9
2007 - 8-5 Liberty Bowl -- (crap SoS, on 5 of their 8 wins)
2008 - 4-8
Seven bad LOSER seasons out of 8.
Combined W/L Record 29-65 (..308)
==== -- Dan hired.-- UF 2006-08 BCS-NC OC.
2009 - 5-7 - Missed a bowl by 1 win in his transition year.
2010 - 9-4 Won Gator Bowl
2011 - 7-6 Won Music City Bowl
2012 - 8-5 Lost Gator Bowl
2013 - 7-6 Won Liberty Bowl
2014 - 10-3 Lost Orange Bowl
2015 - 9-4 Won Belk Bowl
2016 - 6-7 Won St.Pete Bowl
2017 - 9-4 Won the TaxSlayer Bowl
Went to 8 Consecutive Bowls with a 6-2 Bowl Record (.750).
Had them as the 'never before' #1 ranked team for 5 weeks.
The best coach in MsSt's entire history.
Combined W/L Record 66-46 (.589) in freakin' Starkvegas...
Taggart ever do anything even close to that???
Not close at all. He nvr really stayed that long and lets be honest, Mullen didnt really beat SEC teams. He beat up the nobodies. He still did good tho and better than Taggart. Western Kentucky and USF are both worse jobs than Miss st.
To be fair to Mullen, it was still impressive what he was able to do.
Exactly, coming from an FAU level school to an SEC school with a much higher budget should mean that you're going to take advantage of the increased budget ceiling to upgrade your staff. That is, assuming you are smart and intend to give yourself the best chance to survive. Sadly, as an opponent, it appears to me that UF dodged a bullet when this hire failed.
Lol @ Homo-sissy.I'd be absolutely crushed
Florida is a Tier I school, and one of the better ones. It is a very attractive locale for a coach. But would you say UF is head and shoulders better than UGA? I hate you guys more than anything or anyone, and even I wouldn't say that. But there are Gators out there that believe it, and that's what I'm talking about.
No, I wouldn’t say that and completely agree with you in regards to the delusional fans, that isn’t just a UF issue either. We’re recruiting at a level we never have before but def have a built in advantage. Kirby is from the state and his dad being a long time high school coach in the state, he has major in roads to recruiting these kids. He took full advantage of that while he was at Bama. Also helps that Atlanta is blowing up with talent and is just growing more and more. It’s like the new Miami when it comes to recruiting and Bama and Auburn has taken full advantage of it too. If CDM can get y’all turned around and winning on the field, the recruits will come. I didn’t think he’d be struggling like he is right now because he should be able to sell kids on his vision. If he can’t sell kids on that, it’ll have to be on field results that gets the recruits. CJM really set y’all back and is making it even tougher on CDM. Like I said before, winning on the field will cure all ills and make things change fast.
Smart is killing it getting non-Georgia 5 stars as I think about half of them are from out of state. The biggest joke is Smart has grabbed like four Rivals 5 stars from Florida while we have none from the state of Florida since he has been the coach at Georgia.
That is pathetic when you really think about it and shows just how much of a joke Mac's recruiting was. Mullen needs to turn that mess around right now or we are going to be in a bad way for some time to come.
James Coley is why we’re able to recruit south FL like we do. Keeping him on staff and not letting Jimbo get him was huge this offseason.
Dan at MsSt never beat any SEC teams, he just beat up on the nobodies.... WTF???
2017
9-16 - MsSt 37 - 7 LSU
10-21 MsSt 45 - 7 UK
10-28 MsSt 35 - 14 aTm
11-18 MsSt 28 - 21 @ Ark
Tax Slayer Bowl MsSt 31 - 27 UL
2016
9-10 MsSt 27 - 14 SCa
9-17 MsSt 20 - 23 @ LSU (-3 Close)
10-22 MsSt 38 - 40 @ UK (-2 Close)
11-5 MsSt 35 - 28 aTm
11-26 MsSt 55 - 20 @ Miss
St. Pete Bowl MsSt 17 - 16 Miami (OH)
2015
9-26 MsSt 17 - 9 @ AU
10-24 MsSt 42 - 16 UK
11-5 MsSt 31 - 13 @ Mizzou
11-21 MsSt 51 - 50 @ Ark
Belk Bowl MsSt 51 - 28 NCSt
Do you ever look,,, before leaping off of that ignorance cliff???
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Not even one season of football as the Gator HC yet.
NSD is in Feb, long after the 2018 season ends.
Recruiting Review only 6 months into his UF tenure...
2018 Dan Recruiting: Per ESPN
Out of State - Georgia - S.Florida
TE-H Kyle Pitts **** - ESPN 300 - Warminster, PA
RB Iverson Clement **** - Mount Holly, NJ
DE Malik Langham *** - Huntsville, AL (rivals ****)
#1 K Evan McPherson *** - Fort Payne, AL - (Kohl's 5 star kicker)
WR Van Jefferson **** - Brentwood, TN (Miss xfer)
#1-LS Marco Ortiz 6-5 230 Fr - Richmond, VA - Rubio 5 Star, P-WO
TE Lucas jrull **** - Shawnee, Kan (Juco xfer)
QB-dt Emory Jones **** - ESPN 300 - Franklin, GA
RB Dameon Pieerce **** - ESPN 300 - Bainbridge, GA
DB Trey Dean **** - ESPN 300 - Hampton, GA
OG Griffin McDowell *** - Leesburg, GA
DE Andrew Chatfield **** ESPN 300 - Plantation, FL (S.FL)
DB Randy Russell *** - Miami, FL (ineligible, heart condition)
OLB David Reese *** - Fort Pierce, FL (S.FL) (rivals ****)
DE Dante Lang *** - Boca Raton, FL (S.FL)
WR Trevon Grimes ***** - Fort Lauderdale, FL (S.FL) (tOSU xfer)
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2019 Dan Recruiting (ain't over til ESD and NSD are LOI sealed)
Out of State - Georgia - S.Florida
QB-dt Jalon Jones **** - ESPN 300 - Baltimore, MD
ILB Jammal Adams *** - Birmingham, AL
DT Jaelin Humphries **** ESPN 300 - Lawrenceville, GA
OLB Tyron Hopper **** ESPN 300 - Roswell, GA
OG Riley Simonds *** - Buford, GA
Ath Ja'Markis Weston **** - Clewiston, FL (S.FL)
OT Wardrick Wilson *** - Doral, FL (S.FL) (rivals ****)
Give it a break on the whining about the 2019 recruiting class that has yet to happen, and won't for another 7 months...
NSD is in Feb, long after the 2018 season ends.
Recruiting Review only 6 months into his UF tenure...
2018 Dan Recruiting: Per ESPN
Out of State - Georgia - S.Florida
TE-H Kyle Pitts **** - ESPN 300 - Warminster, PA
RB Iverson Clement **** - Mount Holly, NJ
DE Malik Langham *** - Huntsville, AL (rivals ****)
#1 K Evan McPherson *** - Fort Payne, AL - (Kohl's 5 star kicker)
WR Van Jefferson **** - Brentwood, TN (Miss xfer)
#1-LS Marco Ortiz 6-5 230 Fr - Richmond, VA - Rubio 5 Star, P-WO
TE Lucas jrull **** - Shawnee, Kan (Juco xfer)
QB-dt Emory Jones **** - ESPN 300 - Franklin, GA
RB Dameon Pieerce **** - ESPN 300 - Bainbridge, GA
DB Trey Dean **** - ESPN 300 - Hampton, GA
OG Griffin McDowell *** - Leesburg, GA
DE Andrew Chatfield **** ESPN 300 - Plantation, FL (S.FL)
DB Randy Russell *** - Miami, FL (ineligible, heart condition)
OLB David Reese *** - Fort Pierce, FL (S.FL) (rivals ****)
DE Dante Lang *** - Boca Raton, FL (S.FL)
WR Trevon Grimes ***** - Fort Lauderdale, FL (S.FL) (tOSU xfer)
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2019 Dan Recruiting (ain't over til ESD and NSD are LOI sealed)
Out of State - Georgia - S.Florida
QB-dt Jalon Jones **** - ESPN 300 - Baltimore, MD
ILB Jammal Adams *** - Birmingham, AL
DT Jaelin Humphries **** ESPN 300 - Lawrenceville, GA
OLB Tyron Hopper **** ESPN 300 - Roswell, GA
OG Riley Simonds *** - Buford, GA
Ath Ja'Markis Weston **** - Clewiston, FL (S.FL)
OT Wardrick Wilson *** - Doral, FL (S.FL) (rivals ****)
Give it a break on the whining about the 2019 recruiting class that has yet to happen, and won't for another 7 months...
Not even one season of football as the Gator HC yet.
NSD is in Feb, long after the 2018 season ends.
Recruiting Review only 6 months into his UF tenure...
2018 Dan Recruiting: Per ESPN
Out of State - Georgia - S.Florida
TE-H Kyle Pitts **** - ESPN 300 - Warminster, PA
RB Iverson Clement **** - Mount Holly, NJ
DE Malik Langham *** - Huntsville, AL (rivals ****)
#1 K Evan McPherson *** - Fort Payne, AL - (Kohl's 5 star kicker)
WR Van Jefferson **** - Brentwood, TN (Miss xfer)
#1-LS Marco Ortiz 6-5 230 Fr - Richmond, VA - Rubio 5 Star, P-WO
TE Lucas jrull **** - Shawnee, Kan (Juco xfer)
QB-dt Emory Jones **** - ESPN 300 - Franklin, GA
RB Dameon Pieerce **** - ESPN 300 - Bainbridge, GA
DB Trey Dean **** - ESPN 300 - Hampton, GA
OG Griffin McDowell *** - Leesburg, GA
DE Andrew Chatfield **** ESPN 300 - Plantation, FL (S.FL)
DB Randy Russell *** - Miami, FL (ineligible, heart condition)
OLB David Reese *** - Fort Pierce, FL (S.FL) (rivals ****)
DE Dante Lang *** - Boca Raton, FL (S.FL)
WR Trevon Grimes ***** - Fort Lauderdale, FL (S.FL) (tOSU xfer)
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2019 Dan Recruiting (ain't over til ESD and NSD are LOI sealed)
Out of State - Georgia - S.Florida
QB-dt Jalon Jones **** - ESPN 300 - Baltimore, MD
ILB Jammal Adams *** - Birmingham, AL
DT Jaelin Humphries **** ESPN 300 - Lawrenceville, GA
OLB Tyron Hopper **** ESPN 300 - Roswell, GA
OG Riley Simonds *** - Buford, GA
Ath Ja'Markis Weston **** - Clewiston, FL (S.FL)
OT Wardrick Wilson *** - Doral, FL (S.FL) (rivals ****)
Give it a break on the whining about the 2019 recruiting class that has yet to happen, and won't for another 7 months...
A recruiting class that won't happen for 7 months?
But, what about the early signing? Only 5 months away?
Let me guess, it really doesn't matter?
Okay.
Night night grandpa.
Also a pretty good case was made you know by Aug 1st if you are going to have a top class or not in recent years. My guess is we will know if Mullen even eventually cracks the Rivals top 10 on Aug 1st.
Not for a first year coach. Recruits are wary of a new regime. If we go out there and show some flashes, generate some excitement, we will get a big surge late. Of course, if we continue to be a hot mess, that's going to be a problem.
Dan at MsSt never beat any SEC teams, he just beat up on the nobodies.... WTF???
2017
9-16 - MsSt 37 - 7 LSU
10-21 MsSt 45 - 7 UK
10-28 MsSt 35 - 14 aTm
11-18 MsSt 28 - 21 @ Ark
Tax Slayer Bowl MsSt 31 - 27 UL
2016
9-10 MsSt 27 - 14 SCa
9-17 MsSt 20 - 23 @ LSU (-3 Close)
10-22 MsSt 38 - 40 @ UK (-2 Close)
11-5 MsSt 35 - 28 aTm
11-26 MsSt 55 - 20 @ Miss
St. Pete Bowl MsSt 17 - 16 Miami (OH)
2015
9-26 MsSt 17 - 9 @ AU
10-24 MsSt 42 - 16 UK
11-5 MsSt 31 - 13 @ Mizzou
11-21 MsSt 51 - 50 @ Ark
Belk Bowl MsSt 51 - 28 NCSt
Do you ever look,,, before leaping off of that ignorance cliff???
Of course i do. As i said, i think he did good there, he beat the teams he was supposed to beat and lost to the ones who were better. He had a good run when Dak was there.
Mullen's records against SEC schools:
Auburn: 3-6
LSU: 2-7
Bama: 0-9
Ole Miss: 5-4
Arkansas: 5-4
A&M: 3-3
UGA: 1-2
Kentucky: 8-1
Tenn: 1-0
USCe: 1-2
Vandy: 2-0
MIzzou: 1-0
UF: 1-1
Also for fun his record against other P5 schools: 4-4.
11-1 against Kentucky, Vandy and Mizzou.
22-38 against the rest of the SEC.
37-43 against all P5 schools.
32-3 against non P5 schools.
I dont want u to think im trying to down Mullen here. He was at Miss st. Not like he was at LSU or something
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