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I hope we get a clear winner

WTF.........................Democrats clinging to hope beyond hope. Call this bitch, 10 run rule. :mad: And they wonder why they get accused of voter fraud and cheating.................


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Illegal-shift said:
Just stop with this, your starting to sound as bad as Ron. I am not a democrat and not voting today. I just choose to live in reality instead of the fantasy land you guys live in.

And please stop with the endless cheating baloney. Until you can back it up with something your just spitting hot air.
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Thank you for the compliment, and you all can start apologizing to me because I called this blowout MONTHS AGO, and was 100% accurate. So from now on, no matter how warm it is outside, if I tell you libs it is Christmas time….go hang your stockings.
 
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Capt Ron 1 said:
Thank you for the compliment, and you all can start apologizing to me because I called this blowout MONTHS AGO, and was 100% accurate. So from now on, no matter how warm it is outside, if I tell you libs it is Christmas time….go hang your stockings.
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I never expected a blowout, I was just praying for a win. What blows my mind is I think Trump wins the popular vote as well. That's like a pistol whipping with a big dick in the face of the cucks. 😂 Kudos for calling it, I was as nervous as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
 
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DCandtheUTBand said:
The few times I have heard her speak I have liked what I have heard. She is also attractive. So where is the disconnect?
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She has made some powerful enemies in the Republican party, I have seen her speak twice and was impressed both times, but apparently she's a little too hard-core for some people. My wife likes her, but has heard that same thing from friends of hers who know Kari Lake. It's really a shame that Ducey didn't run the former governor.
 
Illegal-shift said:
Whoever wins, I hope is its decisive and not as close at it appears it could be. We could definitely get a pretty decisive electoral college winner even though the popular vote will likely be close.

The country could really use a clear verdict this time.
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You still think that 2020 was without cheating? Then explain to me why Biden got 81 million votes and the maximum previous Democratic votes cast for 65 million and the two prior elections and this one.?

This is what happens when you were allowed to pull 16 million votes out of your ass ...
 
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Illegalshit wanted a clear winner.....

Well, how about a LANDSLIDE MANDATE winning the E-C and the popular vote by a wide margin....

Voters made sure this time around that the difference was too big to cheat, and the polls were also watched like a hawk.... 🤓
 
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Illegal-shift said:
Whoever wins, I hope is its decisive and not as close at it appears it could be. We could definitely get a pretty decisive electoral college winner even though the popular vote will likely be close.

The country could really use a clear verdict this time.
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we did and it wasn’t kammie
 
treygator29 said:
I addressed every single talking point in your argument. Your response was for me to cite easily accessible and basic knowledge known to anyone who’s read the news in the last 4 years. Do I need to cite that the sky is blue too?? Your arguments were flailing at best and massively hypocritical. As I have and many other posters have called you out on. So why would I engage in debate with someone who is apparently so entrenched in their political ideology they’re unwilling to see the facts? Life is only so short.

Enjoy this ass beating. Trump 2024. It’s here.
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OK, lets lower the temperature a bit here.

First, FYI, I am not/was not a Kamala supporter. I don't like Trump at all, but I don't think Kamala was the answer either........so its not that big a deal to me. I couldn't vote for either one.

And for the record......congratulations to all Trump supporters. He won fair and square and by a wide margin, which is good for the country at this point in time. The worst result would have been another nail bitter. I will support him now as he is our president and I hope he does a good job. I am not very confident he will, but hope he proves me wrong. In the end if he does well for the country I will be happy.....I could give a shit who wins the next election. What is important is that whoever is running our country the next 4 years makes good decisions.

Now to the question above.........I disagree with your take that this is common knowledge (as you stated it) and with so much spin out there if you want to make that point, IMO, you have to give me the direct quotes from Zuckerberg and Dorsey. I don't want somebodies spin as to what they said, I only want to see what they actually did say. From there I can decide for myself. If you don't want to then fine, but you brought up this point and I am not going to spend time trying to prove it right or wrong. Its your point to support.

The second half of your first paragraph was just nonsense, btw. I am FAR less entrenched in ideology that almost all the guys the post in here.
 
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You still think that 2020 was without cheating? Then explain to me why Biden got 81 million votes and the maximum previous Democratic votes cast for 65 million and the two prior elections and this one.?

This is what happens when you were allowed to pull 16 million votes out of your ass ...
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So you think the democrats manufactured 16 million votes, LOL. Your losing your mind my friend.

BTW she is up to 67 million now, so maybe they faked 14 million votes?
 
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Illegal-shift said:
So you think the democrats manufactured 16 million votes, LOL. Your losing your mind my friend.

BTW she is up to 67 million now, so maybe they faked 14 million votes?
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67 million is in the range of believability, Trump is at 72+ 81 million for a guy campaigning out of his basement does not pass the sniff test in any way shape or form, so yes I think they manufactured 14 to 17,000,000 votes.

How would you explain it? His remarkable popularity?
 
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67 million is in the range of believability, Trump is at 72+ 81 million for a guy campaigning out of his basement does not pass the sniff test in any way shape or form, so yes I think they manufactured 14 to 17,000,000 votes.

How would you explain it? His remarkable popularity?
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There are much better explanations. I just think the fact that you think they manufactured that many votes proves your completely out to lunch on this.

Go back and look at every state last election. You will find every single one of them had much higher turnout than the prior election. Blue states, red state, purple states and many states where the outcome wasn't ever remotely in doubt. Its just not even reasonable to assert that somebody illegally jacked up the votes in every state, including the deep red ones. Its ridiculous.

The FAR more reasonable explanation was that the democrats were much more motivated to get Trump out last time and turned up in much bigger numbers. This time they weren't given the historically low approval rating of Biden. Clearly a lot of people who voted for him no longer supported him, or as an extension, Kamala. The mail in votes also likely resulted in more people voting since it was so much easier to do. Lots of people don't want to go stand in line.

If you want to argue that there was cheating in the inner cities where they changed a few thousand votes here or there and tilted the totals that's one thing, but asserting that they faked 14 million votes makes you look like a crazy man.
 
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Illegal-shift said:
There are much better explanations. I just think the fact that you think they manufactured that many votes proves your completely out to lunch on this.

Go back and look at every state last election. You will find every single one of them had much higher turnout than the prior election. Blue states, red state, purple states and many states where the outcome wasn't ever remotely in doubt. Its just not even reasonable to assert that somebody illegally jacked up the votes in every state, including the deep red ones. Its ridiculous.

The FAR more reasonable explanation was that the democrats were much more motivated to get Trump out last time and turned up in much bigger numbers. This time they weren't given the historically low approval rating of Biden. Clearly a lot of people who voted for him no longer supported him, or as an extension, Kamala. The mail in votes also likely resulted in more people voting since it was so much easier to do. Lots of people don't want to go stand in line.

If you want to argue that there was cheating in the inner cities where they changed a few thousand votes here or there and titled the totals that's one thing, but asserting that they faked 14 million votes makes you look like a crazy man.
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If you think there was that much support from the Democrats that 17 million extra people came out and voted for them. I have a bridge. I'd like to sell you.. the simply do not add up.

Call with Occam's razor here, which would fall on the side of massive cheating with the newly instituted vote by mail that had no safeguards ...
 
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Illegal-shift said:
Elon Musk......the same guy that just campaigned with Trump and is running banners on twitter supporting him (I don't use twitter, but my son tells me that is happening). Really, THATS your source?

Again.......show me in court. That's the only place you know the real facts about any of this stuff.

I did see that in court Trump was convicted of paying off a porn star to keep information from coming out right before the 2016 election........isn't THAT cheating?
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Which wasn't illegal but you're not ready for that conversation.
 
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Capt Ron 1 said:
Thank you for the compliment, and you all can start apologizing to me because I called this blowout MONTHS AGO, and was 100% accurate. So from now on, no matter how warm it is outside, if I tell you libs it is Christmas time….go hang your stockings.
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This was funny. I got a good laugh out of this. Well played sir.
 
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Illegal-shift said:
There are much better explanations. I just think the fact that you think they manufactured that many votes proves your completely out to lunch on this.

Go back and look at every state last election. You will find every single one of them had much higher turnout than the prior election. Blue states, red state, purple states and many states where the outcome wasn't ever remotely in doubt. Its just not even reasonable to assert that somebody illegally jacked up the votes in every state, including the deep red ones. Its ridiculous.

The FAR more reasonable explanation was that the democrats were much more motivated to get Trump out last time and turned up in much bigger numbers. This time they weren't given the historically low approval rating of Biden. Clearly a lot of people who voted for him no longer supported him, or as an extension, Kamala. The mail in votes also likely resulted in more people voting since it was so much easier to do. Lots of people don't want to go stand in line.

If you want to argue that there was cheating in the inner cities where they changed a few thousand votes here or there and tilted the totals that's one thing, but asserting that they faked 14 million votes makes you look like a crazy man.
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Well you have been wrong about everything. No reason to break your record. They STOLE 2020, and it is impossible to believe that demented vegetable got 81 million votes. You HAVE to be an idiot to even consider that.
 
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FresnoGator said:
If you think there was that much support from the Democrats that 17 million extra people came out and voted for them. I have a bridge. I'd like to sell you.. the simply do not add up.

Call with Occam's razor here, which would fall on the side of massive cheating with the newly instituted vote by mail that had no safeguards ...
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Well a guy that just won by one of the largest mandates in history got a WHOLE LOT KESS than the guy that hid in his basement because he could not complete a sentence. Again, I have to SERIOUSLY question anyone who could believe that. They would HAVE to believe in the Easter bunny also.
 
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armbar73 said:
This was funny. I got a good laugh out of this. Well played sir.
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Grandhaven and I have had some disagreements (minor as they were) about many things about this election for the past few years. About the importance of abortion, about Trumosxtone, about things said. Now jet ne admit(of course you all know this) he is way smarter than I am. But not about everything. I do not believe of all the things we disagreed about thus election, I got anything wrong. Last nights results proved it. Now on just about most other things, I will take my rightful place as someone who would do better listening to him rather than trying to to debate him! LOL
 
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If you think there was that much support from the Democrats that 17 million extra people came out and voted for them. I have a bridge. I'd like to sell you.. the simply do not add up.

Call with Occam's razor here, which would fall on the side of massive cheating with the newly instituted vote by mail that had no safeguards ...
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Well, since this POV seemed so obviously wrong to me on the surface I decided to spend about 10 minutes looking at the vote numbers and guess what.

Once they finish counting the number of votes for the current election it will be almost the same as last time and maybe a little more (a million or two either way, more or less). California alone has some $7 million votes that have not been counted yet and several other states have a lot. Arizona about a million. California has until Dec 5th I believe to finish their count......so check back then to see the actual final tally. I checked this against both CNN and FOX reported numbers......they both estimate that the total votes when the counting is done will be pretty close to last time. Imagine that.

So chalk this one up just like all the other silly cheating theories floated on this board......people desperate to try and show cheating occurred combined with an almost stunning lack of common sense.
 
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Illegal-shift said:
Well, since this POV seemed so obviously wrong to me on the surface I decided to spend about 10 minutes looking at the vote numbers and guess what.

Once they finish counting the number of votes for the current election it will be almost the same as last time and maybe a little more (a million or two either way, more or less). California alone has some $7 million votes that have not been counted yet and several other states have a lot. Arizona about a million. California has until Dec 5th I believe to finish their count......so check back then to see the actual final tally. I checked this against both CNN and FOX reported numbers......they both estimate that the total votes when the counting is done will be pretty close to last time. Imagine that.

So chalk this one up just like all the other silly cheating theories floated on this board......people desperate to try and show cheating occurred combined with an almost stunning lack of common sense.
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Well, then you'll have to show us if and when your theory comes to fruition.

Until then it's painfully obvious that VBM opened up a huge can of worms and opened the process to catastrophic cheating. This was confirmed by the msm dog whistle that "this is the most secure election in history", a hilariously obvious sign it was the least secure ...
 
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FresnoGator said:
Well, then you'll have to show us if and when your theory comes to fruition.

Until then it's painfully obvious that VBM opened up a huge can of worms and opened the process to catastrophic cheating. This was confirmed by the msm dog whistle that "this is the most secure election in history", a hilariously obvious sign it was the least secure ...
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Its not a theory. Its the numbers both CNN and FOX are providing. Easy to look up if you where actually looking for the truth.
 
Illegal-shift said:
Well, since this POV seemed so obviously wrong to me on the surface I decided to spend about 10 minutes looking at the vote numbers and guess what.

Once they finish counting the number of votes for the current election it will be almost the same as last time and maybe a little more (a million or two either way, more or less). California alone has some $7 million votes that have not been counted yet and several other states have a lot. Arizona about a million. California has until Dec 5th I believe to finish their count......so check back then to see the actual final tally. I checked this against both CNN and FOX reported numbers......they both estimate that the total votes when the counting is done will be pretty close to last time. Imagine that.

So chalk this one up just like all the other silly cheating theories floated on this board......people desperate to try and show cheating occurred combined with an almost stunning lack of common sense.
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Are the election folks in CA hiring DEI people to count the votes? They still haven't finished? That's ridiculous.
 
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Are the election folks in CA hiring DEI people to count the votes? They still haven't finished? That's ridiculous.
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California sent out ballots to everyone. So they are still accepting mail in ballots. Arizona I think had done mail in for many years. those take longer to count.

But there are lots of other states that have quite a few votes left. But those two are the most.
 
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Illegal-shift said:
California sent out ballots to everyone. So they are still accepting mail in ballots. Arizona I think had done mail in for many years. those take longer to count.

But there are lots of other states that have quite a few votes left. But those two are the most.
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Those ballots that are still being awaited can’t be used for federal elections per law and federal court order…. Don’t know how they get away with that
 
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California sent out ballots to everyone. So they are still accepting mail in ballots. Arizona I think had done mail in for many years. those take longer to count.

But there are lots of other states that have quite a few votes left. But those two are the most.
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Slaven Newscum in Californication Bans Requiring Voter ID's to vote.

California Governor Gavin Newsom has signed legislation that prevents local governments from requiring voters to present identification at the polls, a law aimed at curbing conservative efforts in cities like Huntington Beach.

It's an Un-Constitutional Sanctuary State that is now overrun with an Unlawful Invading Army, so why do they need voter ID's, right??? 😡

https://www.newsweek.com/gavin-newsom-bans-california-requiring-id-vote-1961685

Arizona (little Calif) is not far behind in Govt. corruption imo.
 
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Slaven Newscum in Californication Bans Requiring Voter ID's to vote.

California Governor Gavin Newsom has signed legislation that prevents local governments from requiring voters to present identification at the polls, a law aimed at curbing conservative efforts in cities like Huntington Beach.

It's an Un-Constitutional Sanctuary State that is now overrun with an Unlawful Invading Army, so why do they need voter ID's, right??? 😡

https://www.newsweek.com/gavin-newsom-bans-california-requiring-id-vote-1961685

Arizona (little Calif) is not far behind in Govt. corruption imo.
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That’ll get litigated and found in violation of federal law - just goes to show that ‘Rats have no compunction about violating clear laws
 
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That’ll get litigated and found in violation of federal law - just goes to show that ‘Rats have no compunction about violating clear laws
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Just wondering......are you a lawyer? I have no idea about this subject, but just trying to ascertain if you actually do or not.

Has nothing to do with the issue at hand though.
 
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Illegal-shift said:
Just wondering......are you a lawyer? I have no idea about this subject, but just trying to ascertain if you actually do or not.

Has nothing to do with the issue at hand though.
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No lawyer, but I read that was the ruling of the federal fifth court of appeals on October 25
 
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