Huge NIL bomb just dropped if not changed...

[Gator Fever]

New Title IX guidance from President Biden's administration threatens to upend school rev-share plans in college sports

The outgoing administration's Department of Education dropped an 11th-hour salvo saying any payments must be “proportionately” distributed to men and women athletes to satisfy Title IX.

sports.yahoo.com

Unless this is changed this just threw a huge wrench into the upcoming NIL plans.

I think the NCAA was going to allow teams to spend up to like 20 million a year out of revenues directly for NIL type payments to players. If this isn't changed that goes out the door probably as female sports not bringing much revenue in - sometimes negative profit will be demanding big payments. Should have known some crap like this would have been on the horizon and attempted.

They would be better off just ditching the plan instead of giving into this virtue signaling. Will hurt the lower big conference teams though competitively.

 

[sadgator]

New Title IX guidance from President Biden's administration threatens to upend school rev-share plans in college sports

The outgoing administration's Department of Education dropped an 11th-hour salvo saying any payments must be “proportionately” distributed to men and women athletes to satisfy Title IX.

sports.yahoo.com

Unless this is changed this just threw a huge wrench into the upcoming NIL plans.

I think the NCAA was going to allow teams to spend up to like 20 million a year out of revenues directly for NIL type payments to players. If this isn't changed that goes out the door probably as female sports not bringing much revenue in - sometimes negative profit will be demanding big payments. Should have known some crap like this would have been on the horizon and attempted.

They would be better off just ditching the plan instead of giving into this virtue signaling. Will hurt the lower big conference teams though competitively.

No part of this is “virtual signaling.” It is guidance on how to comply with what the law requires. Save us the use of dramatic political buzzwords to mischaracterize the intent and purpose of what was issued.

Then take a breath and realize that on Monday this guidance will be rendered completely irrelevant and you will be able to unwad your panties…

Unless the Trump Administration wants to actually comply with what the law requires…lol…

 

[Gator Fever]

No part of this is “virtual signaling.” It is guidance on how to comply with what the law requires. Save us the use of dramatic political buzzwords to mischaracterize the intent and purpose of what was issued.

Then take a breath and realize that on Monday this guidance will be rendered completely irrelevant and you will be able to unwad your panties…

Unless the Trump Administration wants to actually comply with what the law requires…lol…

It is virtue signaling 100% but if it isn't changed I guess one good thing is NIL for players won't get as crazy out of control as it would if the normal plan goes forward. Might as well make them professionals and let the better Canadian football players etc making way less money than many of these players despite being better overall come play as graduate students.

 

[LizardGrad89]

If this stands, it will simply accelerate the process of separating sports from schools. It won't be long before all sports programs have their own EIN and board and operate independently from the schools (wink wink), while the schools are leasing their name image and likeness to them. When the schools have no sports, no more title IX sports issues.

 

[NavigatorII]

No part of this is “virtual signaling.” It is guidance on how to comply with what the law requires. Save us the use of dramatic political buzzwords to mischaracterize the intent and purpose of what was issued.

Unless the Trump Administration wants to actually comply with what the law requires…lol…

NIL, as much garbage as it is, is distributed based on revenue sharing that is generated by, and apportioned to the sports that funds it's very existence. 😂

 

[IrishPokerDog]

If the University is doling out $$$, then I think it’s a correct ruling…..but NIL collectives aren’t the University…. And they’ll determine the market demand. Not going to see the third ranked volleyball girl get the marketing demand of a top 10 wide out

 

[LizardGrad89]

If the University is doling out $$$, then I think it’s a correct ruling…..but NIL collectives aren’t the University…. And they’ll determine the market demand. Not going to see the third ranked volleyball girl get the marketing demand of a top 10 wide out

Are you sure about that? Consider Liv Dunne. Or this volleyball player, Madison Nellman.

 

[IrishPokerDog]

Are you sure about that? Consider Liv Dunne. Or this volleyball player, Madison Nellman.

Well there can be exceptions I suppose…..very exceptional!!!

 

[Gator Fever]

If the University is doling out $$$, then I think it’s a correct ruling…..but NIL collectives aren’t the University…. And they’ll determine the market demand. Not going to see the third ranked volleyball girl get the marketing demand of a top 10 wide out

To me if it's held up this way it's BS. Giving opportunities to play sports is one thing but forcing how revenue might be given to athletes is another. It will get interesting if it's not scrapped.

 

[Nicktheslick]

Are you sure about that? Consider Liv Dunne. Or this volleyball player, Madison Nellman.

Definitely on par with a wideout.

 

[NavigatorII]

Definitely on par with a wideout.

*Split end. Or All American long snapper?

 

[LizardGrad89]

Definitely on par with a wideout.

Tell me this girl wouldn't brighten up a beer commercial. Makes more sense than using NIL as a thinly disguised way to pay recruits. This is why profit sharing (if it's allowed to be profit sharing and doesn't get Title IX'd) is better than NIL. NIL is supposed to be advertising, social media, etc. Profit sharing, obviously, comes from the value of the product put on the field. That's the authentic way to pay the athletes who have earned the money, while the others can profit from a pretty face and a ready smile. Of course, the real stars will get both. But giving the schools the ability to pay the players who earned the money part of that money takes out the last of the deception. Won't have to be "oh, this 17 year old is gonna sell a lot of products for us" when he really isn't. It can be "this player is going to earn a bunch of money for the school, and he'll get a cut." Honesty in college football. Whodathunkit?

 

[LizardGrad89]

NIL, as much garbage as it is, is distributed based on revenue sharing that is generated by, and apportioned to the sports that funds it's very existence. 😂

NIL isn't distributed. It payments for use of a person's name, image and likeness, and priced based on market demand. Do you think Liv Dunne is getting NIL based on some revenue sharing formula at LSU?

Real NIL is pure capitalism. The bastardized form of NIL for football and basketball, where players are given money that's called NIL, but for which they actually don't work for, is just an excuse to pay players to play their sport. It's booster payments to players, same as it ever was, with a thin veneer of "legality" overlaid, and has absolutely zero to do with "revenue sharing". I mean, what revenue? Tell me what revenue is actually being shared, and the source of that revenue, in NIL for college athletes. I am eager to hear all about it.

 

[NavigatorII]

NIL isn't distributed. It payments for use of a person's name, image and likeness, and priced based on market demand. Do you think Liv Dunne is getting NIL based on some revenue sharing formula at LSU?

Real NIL is pure capitalism. The bastardized form of NIL for football and basketball, where players are given money that's called NIL, but for which they actually don't work for, is just an excuse to pay players to play their sport. It's booster payments to players, same as it ever was, with a thin veneer of "legality" overlaid, and has absolutely zero to do with "revenue sharing". I mean, what revenue? Tell me what revenue is actually being shared, and the source of that revenue, in NIL for college athletes. I am eager to hear all about it.

This is ALL part of Pandoras Box that was opened by NIL.

In 2022, shortly after the NCAA changed its rules to allow athletes to start making money through NIL deals, U.S. Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona told ESPN he wanted to get ahead of the foreseeable challenges of determining how Title IX applies to these new opportunities for athletes.

"Some of the concerns I have is that it's going to be the male athletes getting paid and [the] just-as-committed, just-as-hard-working women athletes, not. (Other revenue sharing, nevermind those programs are takers and not givers to university sports revenue)

Schools in some states have already started channeling university dollars through a third party, which in turn pays athletes for endorsement activities. Many other schools are considering this as a potential model for distributing revenue share dollars in the future.

If there is going to be fairness going forward, the producers will get the lions share of revenue sharing, not the sports that just drain the budget.

Feds: Title IX will apply to college revenue share

The U.S. Department of Education said Title IX rules will apply to future revenue dollars payments that schools share with college athletes but declined to offer guidance on how schools should distribute the money between men and women.

www.espn.com

 

[LizardGrad89]

This is ALL part of Pandoras Box that was opened by NIL.

In 2022, shortly after the NCAA changed its rules to allow athletes to start making money through NIL deals, U.S. Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona told ESPN he wanted to get ahead of the foreseeable challenges of determining how Title IX applies to these new opportunities for athletes.

"Some of the concerns I have is that it's going to be the male athletes getting paid and [the] just-as-committed, just-as-hard-working women athletes, not. (Other revenue sharing, nevermind those programs are takers and not givers to university sports revenue)

Schools in some states have already started channeling university dollars through a third party, which in turn pays athletes for endorsement activities. Many other schools are considering this as a potential model for distributing revenue share dollars in the future.

If there is going to be fairness going forward, the producers will get the lions share of revenue sharing, not the sports that just drain the budget.

Feds: Title IX will apply to college revenue share

The U.S. Department of Education said Title IX rules will apply to future revenue dollars payments that schools share with college athletes but declined to offer guidance on how schools should distribute the money between men and women.

www.espn.com

Well, there's a good chance the Trump administration will try to change that. I say "try", because I don't think Republicans have the votes to overturn Title IX, so the new crew would most likely try to reinterpret existing law, resulting in it ultimately being decided in the courts, and that's always a wild card.

But I really believe at some point, schools and the profitable sports will become separate entities, with the sports organization licensing the NIL of the school (and renting out facilities). Meanwhile, the sports entity (or entities, if each sport splits off separately), not being an educational institution, will not be subject to Title IX. A ruling that female water polo players need to be paid the same as male football and basketball players will significantly accelerate this process, and further, that schools will also divest themselves of not just the revenue producing sports, but all sports, as that licensing fee could be interpreted as revenue that must be shared through Title IX and any remaining athletes would be entitled to it.

All that being said, I really feel like women are going to push for Title IX to govern revenue sharing, and if successful, it will be the parable of the goose and the golden eggs come to life.

 

[bradleygator]

NIL didn’t open Pandora’s box. NIL was a last ditch attempt by NCAA schools to hold on to all the sports revenue. They see now that along with free transfer, it’s completely unmanageable, so they’re trying to use small scale revenue sharing as a band aid.

Ultimately this has to end up with players collectively bargaining contracts. Who knows how long it will take to get there.

 

[Gator Fever]

Well, there's a good chance the Trump administration will try to change that. I say "try", because I don't think Republicans have the votes to overturn Title IX, so the new crew would most likely try to reinterpret existing law, resulting in it ultimately being decided in the courts, and that's always a wild card.

But I really believe at some point, schools and the profitable sports will become separate entities, with the sports organization licensing the NIL of the school (and renting out facilities). Meanwhile, the sports entity (or entities, if each sport splits off separately), not being an educational institution, will not be subject to Title IX. A ruling that female water polo players need to be paid the same as male football and basketball players will significantly accelerate this process, and further, that schools will also divest themselves of not just the revenue producing sports, but all sports, as that licensing fee could be interpreted as revenue that must be shared through Title IX and any remaining athletes would be entitled to it.

All that being said, I really feel like women are going to push for Title IX to govern revenue sharing, and if successful, it will be the parable of the goose and the golden eggs come to life.

Anything more than free college and a small stipend for a non big revenue producing sport would be a complete joke which means every sport except men's football and basketball for the most part. Not sure legally how it would need to be set up if Trump doesn't delay this for 4 years. So many activist Judges and not sure about any related cases on revenue sharing but all the Supreme Court did with their ruling was say the NCAA couldn't restrict players from getting paid for their NIL even though we know 90%+ have no big NIL value and are being paid to play for the team.

I still say if they try even crazier mess players already in Canada, recent rookie NFL cuts should sue that they should have graduate school eligibility despite having used up their 4 counted years. Might save some wasted money on high school recruit washouts.

 

[Nicktheslick]

NIL didn’t open Pandora’s box. NIL was a last ditch attempt by NCAA schools to hold on to all the sports revenue. They see now that along with free transfer, it’s completely unmanageable, so they’re trying to use small scale revenue sharing as a band aid.

Ultimately this has to end up with players collectively bargaining contracts. Who knows how long it will take to get there.

In a funny twist Georgia, Bama and a few others have brought all this on themselves. If everyone had played by the rules and not handed out McDonald’s bags of money this might have been avoided or at least controlled. So enjoy your runs of multiple championships in consecutive years. They’re over.

 

[Gator Fever]

In a funny twist Georgia, Bama and a few others have brought all this on themselves. If everyone had played by the rules and not handed out McDonald’s bags of money this might have been avoided or at least controlled. So enjoy your runs of multiple championships in consecutive years. They’re over.

Yep they got rewarded big time for blatant cheating and Auburn with Cam Newton etc. I doubt it changed much with the court ruling and where we are headed now though. I like what Spurrier said when Bama and GA had their recent run about how much easier it is to win when you can stack the best players though.