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How tariffs destroyed England

GhostOfMatchesMalone

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Oct 1, 2012
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"But then two changes came. First, as mentioned above, the Liberal Party was created and rose to power in the late 1850s and early 1860s, just as the empire was cresting in prosperity and glory, and a major plank of its platform was doing away with tariffs. Just years later, Bismarck united Germany, and on Britain’s doorstep sat a budding industrial behemoth that produced steel and coal on a scale commensurate with its size.

The confluence of those two changes was devastating. England went from being the leading industrial producer to one gradually edged out by its larger competitors, namely America and Germany. Critical to England’s deteriorating situation was that its competitors had protected markets it couldn’t touch, while Palmerston, Gladstone, and the other Liberals left England’s market open to being flooded with goods produced far more cheaply by its competitors thanks to their economies of scale.

With that came industrial decline, and with industrial decline came an increasing inability to produce the implements of war on a scale commensurate to England’s ambitions. At first, the issue was limited; at great expense, England could still produce more dreadnaughts than Germany, even with Germany’s industrial advantages.

But gradually those issues ate away at the empire and the Home Islands, with the problem becoming all the more severe as England had to buy weapons it could no longer make at the scale it needed from America in World War I to support its war effort even as American goods, from grain at the low end to cars at the upper end, put its domestic producers out of business, and thus its laboring classes out of work. All the while, the Liberals aided and abetted that destruction of British industry, claiming, as do our free traders now, that it was more “efficient” and thus good. Winston Churchill was a leading promoter of that view.

Then came disaster in World War II. Unable to produce the implements of war it needed at any real scale, particularly the mechanized equipment like trucks, planes, tanks, and automobiles, England bought them from America. But, before America entered the war, England had to pay in gold. Already limited, those gold reserves were emptied to pay for what England could no longer produce, and across the Atlantic came arms and equipment as ships full of gold went in the other direction. Even wedding rings were confiscated as Churchill’s armies armed themselves. Meanwhile, the other forms of wealth in the country, particularly dollar-denominated assets held by private parties, were confiscated and used for purchases of weapons left by retreating armies on the beaches of Dunkirk, the deserts of North Africa, and the streets of Singapore."

 
Are we a great power currently? We’re functionally insolvent and depend on our biggest adversary to produce our weapons and medicine.

This current move strikes me as very similar to Biden’s sanctions regime against Russia. We’re throwing our weight around like it’s the 1990s but a lot of water under the bridge since then.
 
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Are we a great power currently? We’re functionally insolvent and depend on our biggest adversary to produce our weapons and medicine.

This current move strikes me as very similar to Biden’s sanctions regime against Russia. We’re throwing our weight around like it’s the 1990s but a lot of water under the bridge since then.

We need to strategically protect more things than we currently do.
 
Trump says tariffs will work, CNN says they will not.

If only we knew who to trust when it comes to the economy....
I know right. One is the mouthpiece of the World Economic Forum, which is where I believe their messaging is coming from. The Globalist Elites want America destroyed so they can create a one world Autocratic Government (See the Great Reset). That way, everyone is oppressed. What a stupid idea but the Left is so hellbent on power, they will sell their grandmothers to achieve it. They are truly degenerates at every level and I don't mean some of them in political office. I mean all of them.
 
Are we a great power currently? We’re functionally insolvent and depend on our biggest adversary to produce our weapons and medicine.

This current move strikes me as very similar to Biden’s sanctions regime against Russia. We’re throwing our weight around like it’s the 1990s but a lot of water under the bridge since then.
Economically, we are STILL THE powerhouse. Even though Clinton sold our jobs and manufacturing to China and others. Not even close
 
I know right. One is the mouthpiece of the World Economic Forum, which is where I believe their messaging is coming from. The Globalist Elites want America destroyed so they can create a one world Autocratic Government (See the Great Reset). That way, everyone is oppressed. What a stupid idea but the Left is so hellbent on power, they will sell their grandmothers to achieve it. They are truly degenerates at every level and I don't mean some of them in political office. I mean all of them.
The same posters always fall for it. It's amazing to witness.
 
I know right. One is the mouthpiece of the World Economic Forum, which is where I believe their messaging is coming from. The Globalist Elites want America destroyed so they can create a one world Autocratic Government (See the Great Reset). That way, everyone is oppressed. What a stupid idea but the Left is so hellbent on power, they will sell their grandmothers to achieve it. They are truly degenerates at every level and I don't mean some of them in political office. I mean all of them.


Bessent spells out exactly what the plan is. @bradleygator @grandhavendiddy need to watch it. It's pretty obvious this is mostly about China and leveling the playing field with them.

I have zero worries about the economy, Trump's plan is quite comprehensive and makes total sense.
 


Bessent spells out exactly what the plan is. @bradleygator @grandhavendiddy need to watch it. It's pretty obvious this is mostly about China and leveling the playing field with them.

I have zero worries about the economy, Trump's plan is quite comprehensive and makes total sense.
The question really is... what do they think the alternative is? I have not read that yet. Doing nothing 100% we go bankrupt. The National debt will KILL America. Finally a politician with guts to do the right thing...the same thing others have been doing to us for decades. Why do THEY do it if it does not work?
 
The question really is... what do they think the alternative is? I have not read that yet. Doing nothing 100% we go bankrupt. The National debt will KILL America. Finally a politician with guts to do the right thing...the same thing others have been doing to us for decades. Why do THEY do it if it does not work?
It's a tough choice. Take your medicine now or perish in a decade or two.

Politicians have always deferred to kicking the can down the road and the MSM is right there with them. Be a man, take your medicine and fix it. The real tragedy is that the political leaders have known this was an issue for decades now and have collectively done nothing. Meanwhile, middle class Americans have suffered. Neither party, until now, has stood up for the working class folks to ensure a better future for them. When one finally does, they get attacked, but only by one side.

Imagine being a doctor and trying to cure a patient, only to be attacked for doing so. It's stupid and obviously demented on every level.
 
Are we a great power currently? We’re functionally insolvent and depend on our biggest adversary to produce our weapons and medicine.

This current move strikes me as very similar to Biden’s sanctions regime against Russia. We’re throwing our weight around like it’s the 1990s but a lot of water under the bridge since then.
I'll just leave this here

 
The question really is... what do they think the alternative is? I have not read that yet. Doing nothing 100% we go bankrupt. The National debt will KILL America. Finally a politician with guts to do the right thing...the same thing others have been doing to us for decades. Why do THEY do it if it does not work?
We truly are living in the dumbest timeline. We have the richest man on the planet, one of the best businessmen on the planet, both literally volunteering their time and losing HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS in the process, just so they can fix our economic messes.

But media says they know more about running the US and global economy than the most successful business people on the planet....and some here believe the media knows best.

People wonder how we got in this mess.
 
I'll just leave this here

How many times do the Trump critics have to be proven wrong?

Trump could cure cancer, media would spin Trump was a horrible person for wanting people to live longer in such a horrible world.

I think a few posters here would side with the media. It's the most insane thing I have ever seen.
 
It's a tough choice. Take your medicine now or perish in a decade or two.

Politicians have always deferred to kicking the can down the road and the MSM is right there with them. Be a man, take your medicine and fix it. The real tragedy is that the political leaders have known this was an issue for decades now and have collectively done nothing. Meanwhile, middle class Americans have suffered. Neither party, until now, has stood up for the working class folks to ensure a better future for them. When one finally does, they get attacked, but only by one side.

Imagine being a doctor and trying to cure a patient, only to be attacked for doing so. It's stupid and obviously demented on every level.
Why do our politicians keep passing trade acts that benefit our trade partners much more than it does us? Each one is a wet kiss to other countries and a slap on the wrist to us.

It's either incompetence or corruption.
 
Fair but it's a massive market that we're essentially locked out of due to unfair trade policies.

Out of our $7T import/export activities we only have about $130B in trade with India.

1.4B people live there...
We also need to stop educating them and sending them back.

We arent getting indias business theyre firmly owned by the chicomms. Plus we dont have anything they want. Edit: except restricted military assets, ordinance and tech which we arent selling them.
 
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