Grier to transfer?

[Ghost of Spaceheater]

nah. You are the lawyer, but isn't the standard knowingly asserting false information that disparages the character of another person? As I said, I have heard the rumor enough to report on it here, so in my mind it is not demonstrably false. Plus we KNOW he took PEDs. He said so. All we are speculating on is the kind.

Thanks for the offer though

No. The standard is recklessly disregarding. You do not have to know it is false.

When Grier tested positive for the PED, the NCAA contacted UF first. Remember that privity of contract concept we previously discussed? It goes from the NCAA to Florida then from Florida to Grier. Florida knew what it was when they confronted Grier about it.

From the NCAA's website on drug testing:

What happens if a student-athlete tests positive?

Drug Free Sport will provide your institution’s director of athletics or designee the name of the student-athlete who tested positive and the substance found in his/her urine sample.

• The institution/student-athlete has the option to be present at the lab for the opening of the B sample or a surrogate may be designated.
• If the B sample is positive, Drug Free Sport will notify the director of athletics or designee and the student-athlete will be declared ineligible.
• If the student-athlete tested positive for a substance for which a medical exception is warranted, the institution may request a medical exception. Drug Free Sport will assist with the medical exception process.

If you have just an ounce of common sense then you'd see quite clearly that the bullshit your "journalist" friend is feeding you is just that: bullshit. It's OBVIOUSLY false on its face.

If he's not just making it up then someone at the UAA (and I have a pretty good idea who it is having dealt with the mental giant on prior occasions) is leaking this to smear Grier.

And you wonder why I have so much contempt for this kind of stuff and the "writers" on all of the websites.

 

[PacoGator19]

Grier has more issues than just taking a PED. Time to move on and wish him the best.

 

[MJWilliamson]

If you have just an ounce of common sense then you'd see quite clearly that the bullshit your "journalist" friend is feeding you is just that: bullshit. It's OBVIOUSLY false on its face.

If he's not just making it up then someone at the UAA (and I have a pretty good idea who it is having dealt with the mental giant on prior occasions) is leaking this to smear Grier.

And you wonder why I have so much contempt for this kind of stuff and the "writers" on all of the websites.

I guess I have no common sense then. BTW, the information about his cocaine use is not just coming off the record from reporter folks. Athletes talk among themselves and to others. And that information gets out, true or not. Especially in this day and age.

 

[Dannygator1989]

He snorted some blow?

Cut me an effing break.

 

[MJWilliamson]

He snorted some blow?

Cut me an effing break.

I understand it is considered to be a PED. Which, according to the NCAA is worse than getting caught smoking some weed.

 

[Dannygator1989]

He's an idiot if he went to get a masking agent. Coke is out of your system in two days.

 

[METSWIN]

On behalf of Grier I would like to press charges against MJ and retain Ghost for counsel.

 

[Nolez29]

He's an idiot if he went to get a masking agent. Coke is out of your system in two days.

Speaking from experince?

 

[MJWilliamson]

On behalf of Grier I would like to press charges against MJ and retain Ghost for counsel.

Bring it bitch!

 

[METSWIN]

I'm now formally adding to the charges.

 

[MJWilliamson]

I'm now formally adding to the charges.

I hope Ghost charges you a bunch of money

 

[oozie7]

I'm suing all of you for the abuse I take on this board. It's the mods duty to provide a safe space and yet here we are.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Micro aggression, for the win!

 

[cwesleyf]

I'm suing all of you for the abuse I take on this board. It's the mods duty to provide a safe space and yet here we are.

Class action law suit as far as I can see.

 

[oozie7]

Micro aggression, for the win!

^^^^^^^^ shining example of a micro aggression.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Learn it. Live it. Leave it.

 

[MJWilliamson]

I am just a retired investor, living on a pension.

 

[Ghost of Spaceheater]

The most amazing thing about the sort of stupid shit that gets posted on message boards is that the people doing the posting of the stupid shit are posting on the internet. So much of the stupid shit that they post could be easily understood to be stupid shit if they'd only use the medium which they are using for said posting of stupid shit to research the stupid shit.

The various categories of substances banned by the NCAA along with examples of each category.

Cocaine is not a PED because it causes an "increase in heat production combined with a decrease in heat loss associated with cocaine abuse impairs the body's ability to regulate its temperature during physical activity." So even though an athlete may think he is performing better because of the euphoria the drug brings, it is an erroneous belief.

You know what is a PED, and a very popular one at that, that also has legitimate uses and is sold OTC?

Ephedrine

Do you know what popular antihistamine has ephedrine as its active ingredient?

Sudafed.

So if someone wants to believe the stupid shit that Grier was taking cocaine and that it is a PED; lied to the UAA about it (even though the UAA would know before Grier that he not only tested positive but what the banned substance is); got caught lying about it--that is the rumor and not just that he was using cocaine--and that is why he asked for his release to transfer even though some brief research on the internet can show the basis for the rumor is without foundation . . .

Well, I don't know what to say . . .

 

[oozie7]

I know it was probably ignorant but myself and other teammates never took anything to trainers. After my first knee injury I shot up to about 240. I used hydroxycut during my recovery and never once ran it by a trainer. Don't even know all the ingredients in it to be honest, I just know it helped me shred up. I got zero beef with Grier. And I find it hard to believe he was on Coke. Idk if it was an honest mistake or he was really trying to cheat but I ain't about to put all the blame on him either. Coaches give you target weights to come in at every summer. Wasn't Grier like 165 or something? Maybe he felt pressure to compete, idk. Wish we still had him.

 

[instaGATOR]

Internet message boards = Stupid Chit
And there is always space for someone to heat up the chit to his own taste....

 

[G8RMark]

I'm suing all of you for my lost time and mental damage in reading all this stupid chit

 

[MJWilliamson]

If I did not know any better, I might think Ghost is giving me a hard time.

BTW, cocaine is considered to be a banned stimulant by the NCAA

To wit;

http://www.ncaa.org/health-and-safety/policy/ncaa-doping-drug-education-and-drug-testing-task-force

As to whether Grier was taking cocaine or not, I was not there and do not know. But there is more than one report of him doing so. And whether cocaine caused the PED positive test, or whether it was a masking agent he took to hide PED use, I do not know that either. No official word has come out to describe which drug caused the positive test. In fact, Will Grier is the only one that has described the reasons for his positive test. He claimed he tested positive for an over the counter drug. That does not fit the description of cocaine. Yet it does fit the description of a masking agent. A masking agent could be used to cover any number of PEDs, not just cocaine.

But one thing Ghost and I do agree one is that the transfer was not instigated by Will. Ghost thinks is was AD and Coach instigated. I agree with him. We might disagree as to the reason though. But I doubt it.

 

[MJWilliamson]

I know it was probably ignorant but myself and other teammates never took anything to trainers. After my first knee injury I shot up to about 240. I used hydroxycut during my recovery and never once ran it by a trainer. Don't even know all the ingredients in it to be honest, I just know it helped me shred up. I got zero beef with Grier. And I find it hard to believe he was on Coke. Idk if it was an honest mistake or he was really trying to cheat but I ain't about to put all the blame on him either. Coaches give you target weights to come in at every summer. Wasn't Grier like 165 or something? Maybe he felt pressure to compete, idk. Wish we still had him.

IMO, any scholarship athlete that takes any kind of supplement for any reason without checking with trainers is asking for trouble. No matter what we think about which PEDs should or should not be banned is only tangentially involved with what the current rules might be.

 

[oozie7]

IMO, any scholarship athlete that takes any kind of supplement for any reason without checking with trainers is asking for trouble. No matter what we think about which PEDs should or should not be banned is only tangentially involved with what the current rules might be.

Agree. It was stupid. Just saying I don't remember really running anything by trainers. Not only for me but my friends who played all over from Middle Tenessee to USM. We'd work out in the summers and just go and grab stuff. Dumb looking back at it now but that's what it was.

 

[PacoGator19]

I believe the transfer was instigated by Will. Grier was originally planning on coming back. The Grier's mostly Mr. Grier didn't like hearing that after his suspension he would automatically be given the starting job back. McElwain did not make that "

Agree. It was stupid. Just saying I don't remember really running anything by trainers. Not only for me but my friends who played all over from Middle Tenessee to USM. We'd work out in the summers and just go and grab stuff. Dumb looking back at it now but that's what it was.

On another topic, oozie, how about Ga. Southern last night? Great bowl win, boy, they have a ton of guys who can run the ball.

 

[oozie7]

I believe the transfer was instigated by Will. Grier was originally planning on coming back. The Grier's mostly Mr. Grier didn't like hearing that after his suspension he would automatically be given the starting job back. McElwain did not make that "


On another topic, oozie, how about Ga. Southern last night? Great bowl win, boy, they have a ton of guys who can run the ball.

Yep! Was surprised we won by that much AND kept them to 27. They've killed people offensively all year. I've been telling people for a while we could play with anybody. Went 10-2 last year our first year in FBS and this year 9-4 and we beat some solid teams like Western Michigan. Should have beat UGA too. We have plans to expand the stadium too. We're just headed up!

 

[Roady]

He's gone...doesn't matter why, really, now that he's gone.

Next man up!

 

[EvilWayz]

Speaking from experince?

LOL. You better believe it, pal.

 

[PacoGator19]

Yep! Was surprised we won by that much AND kept them to 27. They've killed people offensively all year. I've been telling people for a while we could play with anybody. Went 10-2 last year our first year in FBS and this year 9-4 and we beat some solid teams like Western Michigan. Should have beat UGA too. We have plans to expand the stadium too. We're just headed up!

Definitely, you don't run the triple option anymore but still manage to run the ball like crazy, and the defense did a hell of a job vs. Bowling Green's offense.

 

[oozie7]

Definitely, you don't run the triple option anymore but still manage to run the ball like crazy, and the defense did a hell of a job vs. Bowling Green's offense.

Yea they scrapped it to attract better skill guys, didn't want to be another Tech. We're gonna pass them up soon.

 

[MJWilliamson]

I believe the transfer was instigated by Will. Grier was originally planning on coming back. The Grier's mostly Mr. Grier didn't like hearing that after his suspension he would automatically be given the starting job back. McElwain did not make that "

What is your source, other than belief?

 

[PacoGator19]

RB Kelvin Taylor on Luke Del Rio: “Luke’s smart, very smart guy, very smart quarterback. He’s got a great arm. I feel like he’s a really good quarterback. But it’s going to be a great competition. They’ve got a great group of guys out there at the quarterback position. … He’s very accurate. He’s a coach on the field. He knows how to take control of the huddle. He’s a leader and like I said he’s a coach on the field – and he’s a baller.”

OL Trip Thurman on Del Rio: “He’s done great. You always hear about the story of where Brett Favre was on the Packers and Aaron Rodgers was on the scout team. He got to learn the offense, get to know the guys, get the timing down with younger guys too. He has great chemistry on that scout team and great chemistry throughout the team. I think he’s going to be a big part of this team next year. … Just pre-snap reads. He knows defenses, he knows the offense too. He was with Nussmeier at Alabama, so that’s a big key.”

 

[Michi-Gator]

Being with Nuss at Bama is a clear Red flag

 

[oozie7]

Those reports read like the ones we read for 3 years about Driskel. There's always a practice superstar who is going to be our savior.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Those reports read like the ones we read for 3 years about Driskel.

I won't besmirch him that way until I see him under pressure.

Hell, at least he is fairly accurate in practice. That is an improvement?

 

[instaGATOR]

First, I'm okay with whoever 'fairly' wins the QB job in the 2016 'open' competition.
Harris - Del Rio - Franks - Trask - Other...

That said, I'm hoping that one of those 2 early enrollee true freshmen win it, with maybe Rio as the 2-3 backup, but that's just me. (nuttin' personal Luke)

IF the Mc-Nuss combo can't figure it out, (both college and pro QB coaches) then we/they are in trouble from the get-go....

 

[MJWilliamson]

Surprisingly cogent article by Mikey;

http://www.orlandose...230-column.html

...
McElwain made a veiled reference to Grier wanting a guarantee he'd be the starting quarterback when he returned from his year-long suspension for PED use in Week 7 of next season. Of course, McElwain wouldn't give it to him. Why would he? It would be insane to guarantee Grier the job when two other quarterbacks will be playing in all the games and getting all the practice reps for most of next season.

"I will never beg someone to do anything," McElwain said of his meeting with Grier. "You've got to have it in your heart. To be successful at anything in life, it's got to be a passion, OK.

"And sometimes in life, we all maybe look for, you know, sure things … guarantees. There are no guarantees."

McElwain may yuk it up and crack a few jokes out in public, but behind closed doors he's as intense as Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh and as controlling as his former boss, Nick Saban. He wants his quarterbacks to perform, practice and act in a certain way, and I don't believe he trusted Grier with the keys to the franchise.

Of course it doesn't help that Grier's family are college football's Kardashians — glamorous, outspoken and famous. His father, Chad, is very opinionated and chided the NCAA during UF's attempt to have the PED suspension lifted. His two younger brothers are social media celebrities who have more than 20 million combined followers on Twitter and Instagram.

And not only did Grier get nailed for PED use — a transgression that rarely ever happens to college football players — but his actions in the aftermath disappointed many of his coaches and teammates. Despite the PED suspension, McElwain originally said Grier would continue to practice and be a part of the team, but Grier then made the decision to leave campus and the team for an extended period of time. Even after Grier returned from his self-appointed sabbatical, he never returned to practice.
...

 

[kellylexy]

Surprisingly cogent article by Mikey;

http://www.orlandose...230-column.html

...
McElwain made a veiled reference to Grier wanting a guarantee he'd be the starting quarterback when he returned from his year-long suspension for PED use in Week 7 of next season. Of course, McElwain wouldn't give it to him. Why would he? It would be insane to guarantee Grier the job when two other quarterbacks will be playing in all the games and getting all the practice reps for most of next season.

"I will never beg someone to do anything," McElwain said of his meeting with Grier. "You've got to have it in your heart. To be successful at anything in life, it's got to be a passion, OK.

"And sometimes in life, we all maybe look for, you know, sure things … guarantees. There are no guarantees."

McElwain may yuk it up and crack a few jokes out in public, but behind closed doors he's as intense as Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh and as controlling as his former boss, Nick Saban. He wants his quarterbacks to perform, practice and act in a certain way, and I don't believe he trusted Grier with the keys to the franchise.

Of course it doesn't help that Grier's family are college football's Kardashians — glamorous, outspoken and famous. His father, Chad, is very opinionated and chided the NCAA during UF's attempt to have the PED suspension lifted. His two younger brothers are social media celebrities who have more than 20 million combined followers on Twitter and Instagram.

And not only did Grier get nailed for PED use — a transgression that rarely ever happens to college football players — but his actions in the aftermath disappointed many of his coaches and teammates. Despite the PED suspension, McElwain originally said Grier would continue to practice and be a part of the team, but Grier then made the decision to leave campus and the team for an extended period of time. Even after Grier returned from his self-appointed sabbatical, he never returned to practice.
...

You cannot blame the coach for wanting to have a player earn a starting position. Once you start guaranteeing things then the effort/edge/motivation is almost immediately curbed. Competition is what can make you a very good starter.

 

[MJWilliamson]

You cannot blame the coach for wanting to have a player earn a starting position. Once you start guaranteeing things then the effort/edge/motivation is almost immediately curbed. Competition is what can make you a very good starter.

Yea, McE saw what happened when Fisher did that for Golson.

 

[kellylexy]

Yea, McE saw what happened when Fisher did that for Golson.

It is with anyone. I don't think Golson was promised anything since you can see Maguire has not done well against better defenses. He was told he would be given every opportunity to win the job, though.