Grier loses appeal

[LegionofBoom]

IMO, the NCAA has enough rules to enforce and its rather silly for them to be banning stuff that can be purchased legally.

If the music student can purchase the same product with no problem, why can't the student athlete? It's past time for these college presidents to be asking this type of question.

 

[MJWilliamson]

This kellylexy person is a nole, right?

Yea. I think he is one of the good guys though

 

[Michi-Gator]

Like I wasn't already drinking?

Come on man.

Yeah, but you may need an IV now

 

[Weil Hall QB]

This kellylexy person is a nole, right?

Absolutely

 

[oozie7]

And that's absurd to me.

If PEDs are bad for the "integrity of the game," what the hell about DUIs, drugs, and violence?

Makes sense actually. You can argue drugs and DUI actually hurt performance, so you'd only B hurting yourself doing them.

This whole thing is dumb either way though and it comes from the fact that people don't understand many of these drugs and what they do. Everyone files PED's under one broad umbrella thinking players take them and become superhuman athletes with unlimited powers, it just don't work that way. You still gotta have the raw talent, you still gotta lift the weight, you still gonna run and do the drills, etc. Without doing any of that not a single advantage is gained. Taking a PED ain't gonna make you a a better athlete or player. And I don't really see how it's a competitive advantage when anybody can take it OTC. This is all dumb.

 

[GatorGray]

This kellylexy person is a nole, right?

Yes. Give me a "T".

 

[alaskanseminole]

14 games is ridiculous

agreed!

 

[LizardGrad89]

Null power < baby spice girl brain power.

FIFY

 

[HardeeWildcatFan]

This is just the first step, the next step is to take it to the courts. Of course the NCAA isn't going to overturn their own decision. The courts will have a better say so..

 

[HardeeWildcatFan]

Because? They did enforce the rules. Grier knew he took something he should not have taken. He did not run it by the trainers first as is every P5 school's policy. Sucks for him that he cannot play, but as Coach Mc has said many times....It is the players who make the choices. The rules are there and so is the appropriate discipline. Next man up.

He only knew after his urine test came back positive. He didn't know before hand. I find it kind of BS that a kid cannot take medicine the week he was sick, the plays a good game then BOOOOOM the NCAA requests a urine tests. Aren't these tests suppose to be random? I would look into this as it being random, if its random, kind looks suspicious...

 

[Dannygator1989]

It does seem suspicious.

It's VERY rare, even in the NFL, that some ones gets busted for PEDs.

You're going to tell me they bust a QB? Of all the positions?

I wonder what the justification is that athletes can't buy legal supplements that EVERY OTHER PERSON has the right to use.

Anabolic steroids? Sure. It's illegal. GNC products? Please.

 

[ifuaintagatorumustbegatorbait]

No one can really understand this situation until the Grier camp decides to reveal what drug he was suspended for.

 

[Dannygator1989]

No one can really understand this situation until the Grier camp decides to reveal what drug he was suspended for.

Fair but I don't believe anything has pointed at him doing something that anybody who isn't an athlete isn't allowed to buy.

My point is, for any athlete, they should be able to go to GNC and get supplements. That's ridiculous to me.

 

[Nolez29]

LOL
Because Jimbo is such a bastion of moral integrity....right?

I would never accuse Jimbo of being a moralist. With that said......

Urban is a POS & U know it!

 

[passoverGator]

I had a Uga guy at work tell me Grier gained 45 lbs in 2 months. Cuz, you know, he is very knowledgeable on these matters.

 

[Ghost of Spaceheater]

Grier's best chance to win his appeal would have been to throw the UAA under the bus. He didn't do that. He and his family hired the father of a teammate and Foley was in on the plan as well as the hearing conference call.

Had he done it then UF likely would not have been very happy with him.

For the same reason, Grier can't sue the NCAA. The NCAA didn't actually suspend him. The UAA did. Grier would have to sue both the UAA and the NCAA. Obviously, that's not going to happen.

And to answer the question from the other thread, "No, I was not approached by Grier's family to represent him."

I'm the guy who has on more than one occasion told both UF and the UAA that I would sue them (and dropped a courtesy copy of a US Code Chapter 42, Section 1983 action off at the time I informed them of my intention to sue) on behalf of a client in order to be successful.

That being the case, does anyone actually think the UAA is going to recommend to Grier's family that they should hire me? I'm the outsider. I don't get invited to play any reindeer games. I do tend to win on behalf of my clients though because of my willingness to be very aggressive.

PS Forget asking me anything about the JC Jackson trial. I'm not going to answer any questions. I will only warn you jokers to watch your step. If you libel him on this message board then I will take the appropriate actions. The key to libel for a public personality is reckless disregard for the facts. Since none of you were at the trial I know none of you know the facts as they were developed at trial. I've already written several cease-and-desist letters/emails to various reporters on this subject and secured retractions.

GOVERN YOURSELVES ACCORDINGLY

 

[oozie7]

Fair but I don't believe anything has pointed at him doing something that anybody who isn't an athlete isn't allowed to buy.

My point is, for any athlete, they should be able to go to GNC and get supplements. That's ridiculous to me.

We did all the time.

 

[oozie7]

Grier's best chance to win his appeal would have been to throw the UAA under the bus. He didn't do that. He and his family hired the father of a teammate and Foley was in on the plan as well as the hearing conference call.

Had he done it then UF likely would not have been very happy with him.

For the same reason, Grier can't sue the NCAA. The NCAA didn't actually suspend him. The UAA did. Grier would have to sue both the UAA and the NCAA. Obviously, that's not going to happen.

And to answer the question from the other thread, "No, I was not approached by Grier's family to represent him."

I'm the guy who has on more than one occasion told both UF and the UAA that I would sue them (and dropped a courtesy copy of a US Code Chapter 42, Section 1983 action off at the time I informed them of my intention to sue) on behalf of a client in order to be successful.

That being the case, does anyone actually think the UAA is going to recommend to Grier's family that they should hire me? I'm the outsider. I don't get invited to play any reindeer games. I do tend to win on behalf of my clients though because of my willingness to be very aggressive.

PS Forget asking me anything about the JC Jackson trial. I'm not going to answer any questions. I will only warn you jokers to watch your step. If you libel him on this message board then I will take the appropriate actions. The key to libel for a public personality is reckless disregard for the facts. Since none of you were at the trial I know none of you know the facts as they were developed at trial. I've already written several cease-and-desist letters/emails to various reporters on this subject and secured retractions.

GOVERN YOURSELVES ACCORDINGLY

Well damn! Space dropping bombs.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Grier's best chance to win his appeal would have been to throw the UAA under the bus. He didn't do that. He and his family hired the father of a teammate and Foley was in on the plan as well as the hearing conference call.

Had he done it then UF likely would not have been very happy with him.

For the same reason, Grier can't sue the NCAA. The NCAA didn't actually suspend him. The UAA did. Grier would have to sue both the UAA and the NCAA. Obviously, that's not going to happen.

And to answer the question from the other thread, "No, I was not approached by Grier's family to represent him."

I'm the guy who has on more than one occasion told both UF and the UAA that I would sue them (and dropped a courtesy copy of a US Code Chapter 42, Section 1983 action off at the time I informed them of my intention to sue) on behalf of a client in order to be successful.

That being the case, does anyone actually think the UAA is going to recommend to Grier's family that they should hire me? I'm the outsider. I don't get invited to play any reindeer games. I do tend to win on behalf of my clients though because of my willingness to be very aggressive.

PS Forget asking me anything about the JC Jackson trial. I'm not going to answer any questions. I will only warn you jokers to watch your step. If you libel him on this message board then I will take the appropriate actions. The key to libel for a public personality is reckless disregard for the facts. Since none of you were at the trial I know none of you know the facts as they were developed at trial. I've already written several cease-and-desist letters/emails to various reporters on this subject and secured retractions.

GOVERN YOURSELVES ACCORDINGLY

Would space be considered a "sunshine pumper" after this post?

 

[keyzer soze]

Grier's best chance to win his appeal would have been to throw the UAA under the bus. He didn't do that. He and his family hired the father of a teammate and Foley was in on the plan as well as the hearing conference call.

Had he done it then UF likely would not have been very happy with him.

For the same reason, Grier can't sue the NCAA. The NCAA didn't actually suspend him. The UAA did. Grier would have to sue both the UAA and the NCAA. Obviously, that's not going to happen.

And to answer the question from the other thread, "No, I was not approached by Grier's family to represent him."

I'm the guy who has on more than one occasion told both UF and the UAA that I would sue them (and dropped a courtesy copy of a US Code Chapter 42, Section 1983 action off at the time I informed them of my intention to sue) on behalf of a client in order to be successful.

That being the case, does anyone actually think the UAA is going to recommend to Grier's family that they should hire me? I'm the outsider. I don't get invited to play any reindeer games. I do tend to win on behalf of my clients though because of my willingness to be very aggressive.

PS Forget asking me anything about the JC Jackson trial. I'm not going to answer any questions. I will only warn you jokers to watch your step. If you libel him on this message board then I will take the appropriate actions. The key to libel for a public personality is reckless disregard for the facts. Since none of you were at the trial I know none of you know the facts as they were developed at trial. I've already written several cease-and-desist letters/emails to various reporters on this subject and secured retractions.

GOVERN YOURSELVES ACCORDINGLY

Seriously? Get over yourself. We libel EVERYBODY on this board. JC Jackson has displayed bad judgement and bad behavior........


(I'll be over here waiting for my C&D letter)

 

[MJWilliamson]

BOOM

Welcome back Space. We can't wait for the next drunken, obscenity laced tirade.

 

[MJWilliamson]

OH, and good job on JC. Is the transcript available anywhere? I am of the opinion that the folks that decide these things should let him back in school and the football team should welcome him back.

 

[MJWilliamson]

And finally Ghost, If the UAA suspended him, why did he appeal to the NCAA?

 

[passoverGator]

Seriously? Get over yourself. We libel EVERYBODY on this board. JC Jackson has displayed bad judgement and bad behavior........


(I'll be over here waiting for my C&D letter)

Don't take this lightly. Ghost is serious. There is such a thing as online libel. Google it.

 

[MJWilliamson]

And finally Ghost, If the UAA suspended him, why did he appeal to the NCAA?

bttt for Ghost

 

[Ghost of Spaceheater]

bttt for Ghost

The NCAA told UF's UAA to suspend Grier or face the consequences: forfeit games for using an ineligible player. The UAA could have told the NCAA to go pound sand. Kentucky did that very thing when the NCAA told them, essentially, to discipline Adolph Rupp when he refused to discipline the players caught shaving points. So the NCAA convinced all the teams on Kentucky's schedule for the next season to not play the games. It was the first "Death Penalty."

Maybe one day a group of schools will tell the NCAA to go pound sand decide to play games among themselves.

Until then member schools enforce the directions of the NCAA.

In law it's referred to as "privity of contract." Grier doesn't have privity with the NCAA. He has privity with the UAA. If he wants to sue to regain eligibility then he has to sue UF. His scholarship is a contract. The scholarship is with UF not with the NCAA. UF in turn has privity with the NCAA.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Thanks buddy. Does that mean the appeal was to get the NCAA to agree to let the UAA reduce his suspension?

 

[Ghost of Spaceheater]

Thanks buddy. Does that mean the appeal was to get the NCAA to agree to let the UAA reduce his suspension?

Yes.