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Gonna be nice to be ranked ahead of the leghumpers in final 2018 poll

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Not gonna call a win in Jax for 2019, but now that we have the best coach in the East if not the entire SEC, and they're stuck with bowl-cut-dumpy who couldn't coach his way out of a pile of cotton balls, it's all but lining up for us to be back where we belong, with our heels on the throats of the 6 little piggies of the East and looking at Alabama squarely in the eye.
 
Not gonna call a win in Jax for 2019, but now that we have the best coach in the East if not the entire SEC, and they're stuck with bowl-cut-dumpy who couldn't coach his way out of a pile of cotton balls, it's all but lining up for us to be back where we belong, with our heels on the throats of the 6 little piggies of the East and looking at Alabama squarely in the eye.
Let me be the first to say the Dogs go down in Jax next year to the Gators! I believe it. I can visualize it. I have seen it happen many ,many times in person. And I’m really not afraid to say it will happen.
 
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Saban is the best coach in the SEC without a doubt but I would put Mullen in second. Mullen’s game plans and exploiting opposing teams weaknesses are second to none.
 
I don't think we'll be ranked ahead of Georgia in the final 2018 poll. Both teams have 3 losses and they beat us soundly. I think Georgia will be 6th, we'll be 7th. Bama/Clemson will be 1 & 2, Ohio State will be 3, Oklahoma 4, Notre Dame 5, Georgia 6, UF 7, LSU 8. At least that's my opinion.
 
I don't think we'll be ranked ahead of Georgia in the final 2018 poll. Both teams have 3 losses and they beat us soundly. I think Georgia will be 6th, we'll be 7th. Bama/Clemson will be 1 & 2, Ohio State will be 3, Oklahoma 4, Notre Dame 5, Georgia 6, UF 7, LSU 8. At least that's my opinion.

I truly don’t care one way or the other but by your logic, LSU should be ranked higher than UGA. They beat them by 20.
 
I truly don’t care one way or the other but by your logic, LSU should be ranked higher than UGA. They beat them by 20.
You have to look at who the losses were to and where teams started and were ranked as the season progressed. We lost to Kentucky, Missouri & Georgia. Georgia lost to LSU, Alabama & Texas. LSU lost to Alabama, UF & Texas A&M. Also, Georgia has been ranked higher than us all season and they beat us convincingly. Plus Georgia has 11 wins, UF & LSU have 10. I think my logic is correct and we shall see. But I know LSU will not be ranked ahead of either Georgia or Florida and I will be surprised if we are ranked ahead of Georgia.
 
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You have to look at who the losses were to and where teams started and were ranked as the season progressed. We lost to Kentucky, Missouri & Georgia. Georgia lost to LSU, Alabama & Texas. LSU lost to Alabama, UF & Texas A&M. Also, Georgia has been ranked higher than us all season and they beat us convincingly. Plus Georgia has 11 wins, UF & LSU have 10. I think my logic is correct and we shall see. But I know LSU will not be ranked ahead of either Georgia or Florida and I will be surprised if we are ranked ahead of Georgia.

Covincingly? It was a game very late into the 4th quarter......final scores are worth only so much to me. The Georgia Texas game was never really close and basically was a 14 point loss minus that late garbage TD.
 
Covincingly? It was a game very late into the 4th quarter......final scores are worth only so much to me. The Georgia Texas game was never really close and basically was a 14 point loss minus that late garbage TD.
Georgia will be ranked ahead of Florida & LSU. Get back to me after the final rankings come out on Tuesday. If I'm wrong I'll admit it. Will you?
 
I honestly don’t care and I never made a case that Florida would be ranked higher. What matters to me is we are moving in the right direction as a program. We are contenders next year! Mullen has turned this program around. UGA has been choking with all that top talent and they have guys transferring out. I don’t think it’s quite set in with our fan base quite yet that we were 4-7 last year and some people were up in arms that we hired Mullen. In Mullen’s first year without guys he recruited, he led us to a 10-3 record and a top ten finish! He also developed a QB that most people thought was a lost cause and made him into one Solid QB. Sure franks has some growing to do but the dude had a solid season. I’m happy regardless!
 
Amazing. They came within one play of winning the national championship and then one play within winning the SEC and making it back to the playoffs.

But, because they are Georgia, that was an insurmountable set of plays.

They may still have slightly better players than we do, Perhaps for one more season, but it really feels like a small window for them. They had a small window in the early 1980s, a small window around 2002 and now one now.

Meanwhile Alabama has had a large window of late, with five and maybe six titles, Florida had several windows. Mid to late 80s, the nineties, which resulted in a title, the 2000s which resulted in another two, and now likely in 2020 another window. LSU, Tennessee, Auburn all were able to finish the job.

Georgia has been good. Why do they fall short for nearly 40 years?
 
Can’t wait until Florida lands Demarkus Bowman and Emory or Jalon Jones takes over at QB. Bowman is a once every 5 years back with blinding speed who is all but guaranteed to sign with the Gators and once Mullen gets him paired with a true dual threat QB, watch out:
 
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I honestly don’t care and I never made a case that Florida would be ranked higher. What matters to me is we are moving in the right direction as a program. We are contenders next year! Mullen has turned this program around. UGA has been choking with all that top talent and they have guys transferring out. I don’t think it’s quite set in with our fan base quite yet that we were 4-7 last year and some people were up in arms that we hired Mullen. In Mullen’s first year without guys he recruited, he led us to a 10-3 record and a top ten finish! He also developed a QB that most people thought was a lost cause and made him into one Solid QB. Sure franks has some growing to do but the dude had a solid season. I’m happy regardless!
I totally agree with everything you said here.
 
We might end up ranked ahead of them because the polls tend to weigh late losses more, and they did drop a couple late, plus we went out on a very solid game against a highly ranked opponent, so I could see it happening. Honestly I don’t have a problem with them being ranked higher and I would probably have them a spot or two above us. But it’s really just gravy. No one really expected us to have the season we had. We definitely overachieved, and I think you have to say, objectively, that they underachieved, and things have been trending down for them with the losses and fields leaving. We have a lot of momentum, and I’m excited to ridebrhat wave into next year
 
Saban is the best coach in the SEC without a doubt but I would put Mullen in second. Mullen’s game plans and exploiting opposing teams weaknesses are second to none.
I ask you what exactly saban does these days other than run the program as a CEO and then patrol the sidelines during games in the true spirit of Bobby Bowden. His coaches do all the work with the team, he is simply observing and giving suggestions to the coaching staff at this point. Don't get me wrong, he knows how to BUILD a program, that's how he got to where he is, and he knows how to stack coordinators and assistant coaches year after year, but being at Alabama, that place recruits for itself. Do you think Nick Saban does in-home recruiting trips?

My point is, do we really know just how good of a COACH he is as I haven't seen him actually coach a football game in over a decade. He is a CEO. In the NFL he'd be the team manager not the head coach. Not intending to piss off anyone's feelings, but I truly feel we have a winner in Dan Mullen. He showed he could elevate a program and he took MSST to what is probably it's ceiling in the SEC West while Saban resides there. Now he is at a program that has no ceiling and we can see what he can do.
 
Let me be the first to say the Dogs go down in Jax next year to the Gators! I believe it. I can visualize it. I have seen it happen many ,many times in person. And I’m really not afraid to say it will happen.
As far as this goes, I would love to say we're going to build on 2018 for next year, but we've lost 4 out of 5 of our senior laden offensive line. One of the biggest changes in what made 2018 a success was the massive improvement to our offensive line. 37 sacks in 2017 down to 18 and we played an extra 2 games this year too. Will we have the offensive line next year we had here this year? Certainly not. It CAN be good but the majority of the guys on it will be first time starters and talent just won't make up for the lack of experience. Not at first. All these Freshmen coming in will not be big or strong enough to contribute a lot yet either. This is the one and only reason I think we are going to have a bit of a drop in 2019. The offense should get smoother under a second year of consistent coaching. Defense should be about the same or improve depending on how the line replaces itself. The DBs can only improve from their position this year and LB is going to be young but definitely have depth.
 
I don't think we'll be ranked ahead of Georgia in the final 2018 poll. Both teams have 3 losses and they beat us soundly. I think Georgia will be 6th, we'll be 7th. Bama/Clemson will be 1 & 2, Ohio State will be 3, Oklahoma 4, Notre Dame 5, Georgia 6, UF 7, LSU 8. At least that's my opinion.
Yes it is really a 50/50 on if they drop only 1 place to land right ahead of us at 6. But just as easily the voters can say we've been playing better the last half of the season and have improved our game, which we have. We ended the season with the #22 scoring offense averaging 35 points a game, a 2TD improvement over 2017's offense. They ended the year with 2 back to back losses. It could all come down to perception. On that note, why are we so much higher ranked than Kentucky even though we have identical records and they beat us heads up? So it can happen. What I hold faith in is that they came out so completely flat and arrogant against Texas, that they played so damn badly and were so out matched and out coached, that the voters will feel it is necessary to drop them MORE than just 1 spot.

After the piss poor performance they gave against Texas, do you really only penalize them by dropping them 1 spot?
 
Covincingly? It was a game very late into the 4th quarter......final scores are worth only so much to me. The Georgia Texas game was never really close and basically was a 14 point loss minus that late garbage TD.
Exactly. We were leading on the scoreboard in the 3rd quarter and we completely shut their running game down. The only reason they ran away with it was because someone on their team finally realized we were playing the whole game without our two top DBs for the game and started picking on our corners in the 4th quarter. For anyone that watched the game, there was nothing convincing about that win as we outplayed them, albeit gave them a gift of 3 turnovers for our part. Fix the turnovers and the DB play in the 4th quarter and we won that game.
 
As far as this goes, I would love to say we're going to build on 2018 for next year, but we've lost 4 out of 5 of our senior laden offensive line. One of the biggest changes in what made 2018 a success was the massive improvement to our offensive line. 37 sacks in 2017 down to 18 and we played an extra 2 games this year too. Will we have the offensive line next year we had here this year? Certainly not. It CAN be good but the majority of the guys on it will be first time starters and talent just won't make up for the lack of experience. Not but at first. All these Freshmen coming in will not be big or strong enough to contribute a lot yet either. This is the one and only reason I think we are going to have a bit of a drop in 2019. The offense should get smoother under a second year of consistent coaching. Defense should be about the same or improve depending on how the line replaces itself. The DBs can only improve from their position this year and LB is going to be young but definitely have depth.
Yeah Oline is going to be a tough spot...I'm not as worried as much about our record next season...more about the continuing positive direction of the program. We'll be good enough but when those players get experience we will be strong moving forward.
 
I ask you what exactly saban does these days other than run the program as a CEO and then patrol the sidelines during games in the true spirit of Bobby Bowden. His coaches do all the work with the team, he is simply observing and giving suggestions to the coaching staff at this point. Don't get me wrong, he knows how to BUILD a program, that's how he got to where he is, and he knows how to stack coordinators and assistant coaches year after year, but being at Alabama, that place recruits for itself. Do you think Nick Saban does in-home recruiting trips?

My point is, do we really know just how good of a COACH he is as I haven't seen him actually coach a football game in over a decade. He is a CEO. In the NFL he'd be the team manager not the head coach. Not intending to piss off anyone's feelings, but I truly feel we have a winner in Dan Mullen. He showed he could elevate a program and he took MSST to what is probably it's ceiling in the SEC West while Saban resides there. Now he is at a program that has no ceiling and we can see what he can do.
You are way off on Saban. He has his hands in and on every aspect of that team, and that means practices, too. A CEO? Shirley you jest.
 
Georgia will be ranked ahead of Florida & LSU. Get back to me after the final rankings come out on Tuesday. If I'm wrong I'll admit it. Will you?

I posted the final Top 10 elsewhere, here it is again.

1-2 Bama/Clemson
3 OSU
4 OU
5 ND
6 UF
7 LSU
8 Texas
9 UGa
10 UCF

This is what the voters will see. Three 3-loss SEC teams that all went 1-1 against each other. UGa lost their last 2, and got destroyed by #14 UT. Florida won their last 4, and LSU was 3-1 in their last 4.

The key here is that Texas killed UGa, and everybody watched it happen. There will be sentiment to put UT ahead of UGa. But UT is a 4 loss team and so won't jump 3 loss UF and LSU, who both also beat top 10 teams in New Years 6 games.
 
Yeah Oline is going to be a tough spot...I'm not as worried as much about our record next season...more about the continuing positive direction of the program. We'll be good enough but when those players get experience we will be strong moving forward.

The Oline won't be great next year, but let's be honest, it wasn't great this year. Mullen is very good at playcalling that hides OL deficiencies. Next year we have one starter back, a couple of the top reserves will step up and be serviceable and a couple of those 7 signed OL will make the grade. One thing though, the biggest reason one of the Joneses might take over from Franks is mobility might be a requirement from the QB spot next year because of the line.
 
You have to look at who the losses were to and where teams started and were ranked as the season progressed. We lost to Kentucky, Missouri & Georgia. Georgia lost to LSU, Alabama & Texas. LSU lost to Alabama, UF & Texas A&M. Also, Georgia has been ranked higher than us all season and they beat us convincingly. Plus Georgia has 11 wins, UF & LSU have 10. I think my logic is correct and we shall see. But I know LSU will not be ranked ahead of either Georgia or Florida and I will be surprised if we are ranked ahead of Georgia.

To be clear, LSU jumped 5 spots after their win over UCF and Florida jumped 3 spots after their shellacking of Michigan. Georgia fell 1 spot and is tied with Florida in votes so Florida/Georgia are tied at 7th. LSU is 6th.
 
How'd that work out for him last night?

Bama lost last night because they just got manhandled. It was because Saban’s a bad coach it had a bad game plan. Tua is slightly too cocky at times and thinks he make every throw. It’s part of the growing curve of a very young kid. He got thrusted into the spotlight very fast but has struggled against a good Georgia secondary and a good Clemson secondary. Tua’s two picks were 14 point swings. Then you sprinkle in the lack of creativity when Bama got on the 1 and ran three plays up the middle for nothing plus a false start etc. Clemson is just as talented as Bama and they executed while Bama didn’t.
 
Have you seen the final AP poll? It’s laughable lol LSU ranked ahead of us and Georgia
That's basically the voters remembering the asspounding that LSU gave Georgia during the normal season when they were looking hard at how far UGLY should drop. None of them really went back and remembered our squeaker win over LSU at home, or if they did it didn't stand out in their minds. The beatdowns count in this day and age. Just winning the game doesn't matter anymore. They looked at UGLY, saw UT thrashed them, and then said where were the other 2 losses so we can see just how far to drop them. Alabama was respectable of course, but looking at LSU, then they went and made the logical leap that LSU winning a NY6 game and having the same # of losses should jump UGLY. I could make that assumption as well. Florida's winning streak at the end doesn't get much comparative thought and other than jortgia's butthole, we took the worst pounding in the polls based on the work delivered at the end.

I don't have too much of a problem with it. Would I cry that we're not ahead of UGLY? No because they did beat us, and LSU ahead? We're both 3 loss teams in the top 10 and they are only 1 spot ahead of us, so eh. I think our bowl game was more meaningful than theirs was though. We were EXPECTED to lose and possibly lose big with all the never-beaten-MU narrative going into that game and being underdogs.
 
That's basically the voters remembering the asspounding that LSU gave Georgia during the normal season when they were looking hard at how far UGLY should drop. None of them really went back and remembered our squeaker win over LSU at home, or if they did it didn't stand out in their minds. The beatdowns count in this day and age. Just winning the game doesn't matter anymore. They looked at UGLY, saw UT thrashed them, and then said where were the other 2 losses so we can see just how far to drop them. Alabama was respectable of course, but looking at LSU, then they went and made the logical leap that LSU winning a NY6 game and having the same # of losses should jump UGLY. I could make that assumption as well. Florida's winning streak at the end doesn't get much comparative thought and other than jortgia's butthole, we took the worst pounding in the polls based on the work delivered at the end.

I don't have too much of a problem with it. Would I cry that we're not ahead of UGLY? No because they did beat us, and LSU ahead? We're both 3 loss teams in the top 10 and they are only 1 spot ahead of us, so eh. I think our bowl game was more meaningful than theirs was though. We were EXPECTED to lose and possibly lose big with all the never-beaten-MU narrative going into that game and being underdogs.

I didn’t care about being ranked ahead of Georgia because they beat us however I do have a problem with LSU finishing ahead of us. We beat them and we had a better win against Michigan. Ultimately it doesn’t mean crap but it still makes me mad haha.
 
Bama lost last night because they just got manhandled. It was because Saban’s a bad coach it had a bad game plan. Tua is slightly too cocky at times and thinks he make every throw. It’s part of the growing curve of a very young kid. He got thrusted into the spotlight very fast but has struggled against a good Georgia secondary and a good Clemson secondary. Tua’s two picks were 14 point swings. Then you sprinkle in the lack of creativity when Bama got on the 1 and ran three plays up the middle for nothing plus a false start etc. Clemson is just as talented as Bama and they executed while Bama didn’t.
Yet I still maintain my original assumption that Saban is not the game day miracle worker on the sidelines that people think he is. He has been riding on his laurels and letting the assistants do the work for years now. I contend that he is closer to a Bobby Bowden type head coach, offering insight to his assistants every so often, or suggestions. When it comes time for him to actually manage a real fist fight of a game, he clearly didn't have the skills that Dabo did. Now I understand that this takes away a lot from their position coaches and the coordinators, but going in with the assumption that both teams are generally equal on talent, Bama flat out got outcoached. Nothing anyone can tell me will convince me that 16 total points at the end of the night from the 2nd best offense in the country was ALL on Clemson's defense. Other teams this year have held their own better against that same defense. Other teams in the ACC have scored more on that defense.
 
In summary, back to my original thought, Dan Mullen is without any question the best coach in the SEC East and I believe there's good chance he's the best in the entire SEC itself. He has just never had the talent on his team to allow him to reach the top levels of production before. So far he makes miracles work with what he's had. You go to battle with the army that you have. If anything Bimbo Fisher at ATM is a better coach, but then again he did what he's done with very talented teams as well. Even he had a crap year in 2017 WITH talent on the team.
 
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Yet I still maintain my original assumption that Saban is not the game day miracle worker on the sidelines that people think he is. He has been riding on his laurels and letting the assistants do the work for years now. I contend that he is closer to a Bobby Bowden type head coach, offering insight to his assistants every so often, or suggestions. When it comes time for him to actually manage a real fist fight of a game, he clearly didn't have the skills that Dabo did. Now I understand that this takes away a lot from their position coaches and the coordinators, but going in with the assumption that both teams are generally equal on talent, Bama flat out got outcoached. Nothing anyone can tell me will convince me that 16 total points at the end of the night from the 2nd best offense in the country was ALL on Clemson's defense. Other teams this year have held their own better against that same defense. Other teams in the ACC have scored more on that defense.

But by your logic, Mike Locksley really sucked last night....as well as the other assistants.
 
In summary, back to my original thought, Dan Mullen is without any question the best coach in the SEC East and I believe there's good chance he's the best in the entire SEC itself. He has just never had the talent on his team to allow him to reach the top levels of production before. So far he makes miracles work with what he's had. You go to battle with the army that you have. If anything Bimbo Fisher at ATM is a better coach, but then again he did what he's done with very talented teams as well. Even he had a crap year in 2017 WITH talent on the team.

I can’t agree more. I’ve always thought Mullen is one of the best coaches in the country. I’ve always liked head coaches who are offensive minded and call the plays as well as coach the QBs. I’ve always liked that about Fisher as well.
 
The week after we lost to Kentucky, if you had posted that we would finish the season ranked #7, you’d have been laughed off this Board.

I agree but now is the time for dissecting rankings and common opponents etc because we have a long time until we see college football again haha
 
Well, I was wrong about my original claim that Georgia would finish ahead of the Gators in the final rankings. This is only the AP poll, but it is truly incredible that CDM got this team a #7 finish after where we ended the season last year.
 
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