Has less talent but is a moron and has no idea how to change his game plan and keeps taking beatings the exact same way every year against Bama teams thinking he can just run QB powers like Adazzio like something is gonna change. He better stay and get his 7 wins at MSU. He had his best teams and best QB he will ever have and can't even compete. The funniest part is that smug bastard had the audacity to call Collins coming the UF a lateral move lmfao. Mullen is a joke
Go ahead and stick mullen in the same group with Miles and Richt
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Will never be able to recruit like Bama, LSU or most of the SEC West teams. Look at his last 3 classes vs those schools. Does a great job with what he gets.
agreed. I would also put Richt ahead of Mullen. Richt has won two SEC Titles and 5 SEC East titles
Mullen is a much better coach than both IMO. Miles is a clown of a strategist who just recruits stacked teams and rolls the ball out. And Richt actually has averaged more wins per year in his tenure than Miles. Miss St. just has a low ceiling and ain't no getting around that. On average they're last or second last in their own division in recruiting, all the coaching in the world won't be enough to overcome that over time.
Check this out:
9 years before Mullen:
1 season with more than 5 wins
1 bowl game
13-51 conference record
Average of 4 wins per season (rounded up from 3.5)
With Mullen:
Average of 8 wins per season (round up from 7.6)
5 straight bowl games
24-28 conference record
Most wins in 5 year stretch in school history
First time with a winning record in 5 straight seasons
I wasn't a big Mullen fan while he was here, but he's damn good. Miss St. is lucky to have him. He'd be ballin at a major program right now IMO.
Check this out:
9 years before Mullen:
1 season with more than 5 wins
1 bowl game
13-51 conference record
Average of 4 wins per season (rounded up from 3.5)
With Mullen:
Average of 8 wins per season (round up from 7.6)
5 straight bowl games
24-28 conference record
Most wins in 5 year stretch in school history
First time with a winning record in 5 straight seasons
I wasn't a big Mullen fan while he was here, but he's damn good. Miss St. is lucky to have him. He'd be ballin at a major program right now IMO.
Mullen has to win at least one title of any kind before he can be compared to any coach that has won a title. Remember, Richt won a two SEC titles with a program that had not won one for more than 20 years. And has the only SEC east titles UGA has ever won.
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I think they are all (Miles, Richt, Mullen) above average to good coaches, but far from great coaches
I think Jackie Sherrill demonstrated that a decent coach can have decent years at MSU.
As soon as Jackie Sherrill left the Mississippi State program got 4 years of probation. Was he cheating?
No question. But that is not the point. For Mullen to be compared to coaches with some kind of championship, he has to win some kind of championship.
Yes. I heard some unreal stories about the program with him when I got there the year after his departure. They used to order pizzas and have them delivered to the practice field during practice
He just brought in a ton of Jucos
He was there during the SOS era, in which the SECw was hot trash. The west is now elite
OK.
But then does that line of reasoning diminish our SEC East championship in any way? If one wants to be logically consistent, then one has to draw that conclusion.
I am not saying Mullen should not get credit for turning MSU into a competent team. He should. But he can not be held in the same regard has those coaches that have won Championships until he has won a championship.
But cheating allowed him to have better players than he otherwise would have. Michi is right, I believe. Mullen has had some success without cheating as far as we know. In other words he has won with a lot less talent and depth than Richt or Miles.
We all heard Jimmy Johnson among others say "it's not about the X's and O's, it's about the Jimmys and the Joes". I know that's cliche', buts it's also profoundly true. Take my word on that from personal experience.
Richt is 95% of a great HC, Miles is a little less than that. They both lack a few small things that it takes to seal the deal and win championships. They've never been able to build a staff to fill those holes either. They have both squandered IMMENSE talent. Mullen may not have all that it takes to be great, but until we see him coach a roster like Uga or LSU we can't say for sure. And it's not fair to criticize him for not being able to build a roster like that at State.
Ok guys I get it. You don't like my comparison to Sherrill. But if cheating were a reason for discounting accomplishments, then many of the successful coaches in the history of college football would be disqualified from being called good to great. Especially ones from a coupla decades ago or more.
Anyway, back to the subject at hand. Mullen cannot be considered to be as good as Richt or Miles unless he at least wins a SECCG. Neither one of those guys has ever been reported to cheated and one coaches in the SEC West. If he is not able to pull the talent in to compete the the LSUs or the UGAs of the world, then that is on him. He is on his what, 7th year at MSU?
Hard to pull talent to State when that talent has offers from the likes of Bama, LSU, Ohio State, fsu and Florida.
Your criteria for measuring coaches by championships is like people that measure QBs by Super Bowls. Not sure it's the best way to measure either.
It's quite possible that the BEST coaches out there are working at lower divisions or maybe places where the deck is stacked impossibly against them. Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure there is a long list of coaches that could win with Bama's roster. That's my biggest beef with Richt in particular, he's had the horses and the resources.
Your criteria for measuring coaches by championships is like people that measure QBs by Super Bowls. Not sure it's the best way to measure either.
It's quite possible that the BEST coaches out there are working at lower divisions or maybe places where the deck is stacked impossibly against them. Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure there is a long list of coaches that could win with Bama's roster. That's my biggest beef with Richt in particular, he's had the horses and the resources.
One can come up with any excuses as one wishes. But until he wins a championship, he can't be favorably compared to ones that do.
Hell, Spurrier won a ACC Championship at Duke. Wake Forest won one in 2006. Bear Bryant won a SEC title at Kentucky. Even MSU won a SEC title, albiet quite some time ago.
Hell, Spurrier won a ACC Championship at Duke. Wake Forest won one in 2006. Bear Bryant won a SEC title at Kentucky. Even MSU won a SEC title, albiet quite some time ago.
I'm not saying Mullen is a great coach, but you have to admit he has a tougher road. It would be MUCH more Impressive to me for Mullen to win a championship at MSU than for Richt to win at Georgia. Much like Spurrier winning at Duke.
Lets leave him as a good coach at MissSt, I don't want him at UGa or Tennessee trying to win that title.
I think if he went to a high profile program, his arrogance would alienate him from the boosters and the administration.
He might be a good coach, but he is a colossal POS.
He might be a good coach, but he is a colossal POS.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/s...fensive-head-dan-mullen-now-with-miss-/nMBjw/
In recruiting, Mullen's self-confidence was an asset and an obstacle to the Gators. While some prospects latched on to his swagger, others found him obnoxious.
"Some people and I hit it off right away; maybe some people I rub the wrong way," Mullen said. "But as you go and you recruit and you build relationships with people, they get to know you and see the type of person I am. I think most of them, in the end, kind of like me a lot."
Gators left guard Carl Johnson described Mullen as "weird" and "kind of off," but said he appreciated his style.
Meyer was reluctant to rehash their history this week, but in the 2008 book Urban's Way, he acknowledged, "Tim almost didn't come to Florida because of him. We had to overcome our quarterback coach to get Tim Tebow to come here."
Tebow and Mullen later grew close, and Meyer said other quarterbacks like Chris Leak, Josh Harris and Alex Smith had similar relationship trajectories with Mullen.
Meyer and Mullen's friendship went that direction, too. In the book, Meyer said, "I was ready to fight him," back at Notre Dame and that "his maturity and people skills needed improvement." This week Meyer said they "get along great."
Brantley said he had "a good relationship" with Mullen, but his father, John Brantley, was pleased when Mullen left the Gators. He credited his son signing with Florida to former assistant Doc Holliday, not Mullen.
"We're not going to get into any much of a conversation about Mullen," Brantley said in August.
"He's a different cat, but he's a good guy. But I don't know if that was a good marriage or not."
In recruiting, Mullen's self-confidence was an asset and an obstacle to the Gators. While some prospects latched on to his swagger, others found him obnoxious.
"Some people and I hit it off right away; maybe some people I rub the wrong way," Mullen said. "But as you go and you recruit and you build relationships with people, they get to know you and see the type of person I am. I think most of them, in the end, kind of like me a lot."
Gators left guard Carl Johnson described Mullen as "weird" and "kind of off," but said he appreciated his style.
Meyer was reluctant to rehash their history this week, but in the 2008 book Urban's Way, he acknowledged, "Tim almost didn't come to Florida because of him. We had to overcome our quarterback coach to get Tim Tebow to come here."
Tebow and Mullen later grew close, and Meyer said other quarterbacks like Chris Leak, Josh Harris and Alex Smith had similar relationship trajectories with Mullen.
Meyer and Mullen's friendship went that direction, too. In the book, Meyer said, "I was ready to fight him," back at Notre Dame and that "his maturity and people skills needed improvement." This week Meyer said they "get along great."
Brantley said he had "a good relationship" with Mullen, but his father, John Brantley, was pleased when Mullen left the Gators. He credited his son signing with Florida to former assistant Doc Holliday, not Mullen.
"We're not going to get into any much of a conversation about Mullen," Brantley said in August.
"He's a different cat, but he's a good guy. But I don't know if that was a good marriage or not."
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