Feather ruffling time: The SEC is hypocrite if

[TennesseeGator]

They ban any type of championship in Mississippi due to the Confederate emblem on the state flag but they continue to play the SEC baseball tournament in Alabama. Also the headquarters are in Birmingham, Alabama. More SEC events in Alabama.

Numerous honors around the state on roadways, public universities, etc honor George Wallace.

Dude was offensive as hell not wanting minorities wanting equal education along with other equal basic rights. A true segregationist. Sure he later in life redeemed himself but most was forced due to higher government and militarily enforcement.

To hell with George Wallace, Ross Barnett, and all resistant to end Jim Crow laws, segregation, and anything associated.

 

[BamaFan1137]

They ban any type of championship in Mississippi due to the Confederate emblem on the state flag but they continue to play the SEC baseball tournament in Alabama. Also the headquarters are in Birmingham, Alabama. More SEC events in Alabama.

Numerous honors around the state on roadways, public universities, etc honor George Wallace.

Dude was offensive as hell not wanting minorities wanting equal education along with other equal basic rights. A true segregationist. Sure he later in life redeemed himself but most was forced due to higher government and militarily enforcement.

To hell with George Wallace, Ross Barnett, and all resistant to end Jim Crow laws, segregation, and anything associated.

Hmmmm....seems you're calling for more cancel culture, not less? I'm not sure that I see the logic in that.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Btw, slaves were offloaded and sold all across the eastern seaboard including in New York City harbor. Should the SEC ban all those states as well since bad things happened there at some point?

How far back do you go?

 

[TennesseeGator]

Btw, slaves were offloaded and sold all across the eastern seaboard including in New York City harbor. Should the SEC ban all those states as well since bad things happened there at some point?

How far back do you go?

Btw, slaves were offloaded and sold all across the eastern seaboard including in New York City harbor. Should the SEC ban all those states as well since bad things happened there at some point?

How far back do you go?

Is NYC honoring the slave traders at this harbor with street names of admitted racist.

I'm not talking slave traders. I speaking of a well know admitted racist. The one who was quoted by saying he got "out negroed".

My point is, they (Swanky) try to save face and go after Mississippi, a state in which they throw peanuts to, but fail to do anything to homeland Alabama.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Is NYC honoring the slave traders at this harbor with street names of admitted racist.

I'm not talking slave traders. I speaking of a well know admitted racist. The one who was quoted by saying he got "out negroed".

My point is, they (Swanky) try to save face and go after Mississippi, a state in which they throw peanuts to, but fail to do anything to homeland Alabama.

Sorry...not with you on this one. The less cancel culture the better imho.

F George Wallace, the reformed version or otherwise, and I've NEVER had an affinity to the Confederate flag either but both are a part of our history and how we got here.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

They ban any type of championship in Mississippi due to the Confederate emblem on the state flag but they continue to play the SEC baseball tournament in Alabama. Also the headquarters are in Birmingham, Alabama. More SEC events in Alabama.

Numerous honors around the state on roadways, public universities, etc honor George Wallace.

Dude was offensive as hell not wanting minorities wanting equal education along with other equal basic rights. A true segregationist. Sure he later in life redeemed himself but most was forced due to higher government and militarily enforcement.

To hell with George Wallace, Ross Barnett, and all resistant to end Jim Crow laws, segregation, and anything associated.

Wallace was another racist democrat, wasn't he?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Is NYC honoring the slave traders at this harbor with street names of admitted racist.

I'm not talking slave traders. I speaking of a well know admitted racist. The one who was quoted by saying he got "out negroed".

My point is, they (Swanky) try to save face and go after Mississippi, a state in which they throw peanuts to, but fail to do anything to homeland Alabama.

BTW, to be fair, Bryant was completely opposed to the racist democrat George Wallace. In fact, many of his closest friends wanted him to stop coaching and run for governor and beat Wallace. Bryant was one of the first Southern coaches to push for allowing blacks to play football, and by 1970 he had wanted to integrate the football team for years, but knew it would meet resistance. So he scheduled USC to open the 1970 season. USC won by 21 points. Sam Cunningham ran all over Bama's defense. After the game, Bryant went to the USC locker room and asked if he could take Cunningham into the all-white Alabama locker room. Bryant walked into the lockerroom with his arm on Cunningham's shoulder and said "Gentlemen, THIS is a football player".

Alabama football began accepting black football players the following season.

So please forgive us the racist democrats of our past. Thankfully our state has gotten rid of them, some other states still embrace their racist democrats.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Wallace was another racist democrat, wasn't he?

Yes as was Ross Barnett and others? Your point? I am not a (D). I'm down the middle, I'm more of a Humanitarian that wants the laws of the Constitution followed.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Sorry...not with you on this one. The less cancel culture the better imho.

F George Wallace, the reformed version or otherwise, and I've NEVER had an affinity to the Confederate flag either but both are a part of our history and how we got here.

The Confederate Flag doesn't really bother me. I don't lose sleep over a piece of cloth. It's not really the topic of discussion (other than the SEC going after it).

King George III was the ruler over the land before the revolution war. They removed his statue. However I am aware Georgia plus other things are named in his honor.

Its just hypocrisy that the SEC office threatens the state of Mississippi over a piece of cloth but does nothing while traveling roads in their home state named after Wallace. Either leave Mississippi alone or go after Wallace honorings.

However I understand removing one name will lead to others. So basically why be weak and go after the small state. Either leave them alone or go after all?

 

[TennesseeGator]

BTW, to be fair, Bryant was completely opposed to the racist democrat George Wallace. In fact, many of his closest friends wanted him to stop coaching and run for governor and beat Wallace. Bryant was one of the first Southern coaches to push for allowing blacks to play football, and by 1970 he had wanted to integrate the football team for years, but knew it would meet resistance. So he scheduled USC to open the 1970 season. USC won by 21 points. Sam Cunningham ran all over Bama's defense. After the game, Bryant went to the USC locker room and asked if he could take Cunningham into the all-white Alabama locker room. Bryant walked into the lockerroom with his arm on Cunningham's shoulder and said "Gentlemen, THIS is a football player".

Alabama football began accepting black football players the following season.

So please forgive us the racist democrats of our past. Thankfully our state has gotten rid of them, some other states still embrace their racist democrats.

I have nothing against Bear Bryant. I did joke with you the other day about his statement to Condredge Halloway. It was more tongue in cheek.

Bryant followed the rules set in his state while also wanting to end them. Wallace enforced the rules. Big difference IMO.

 

[BamaFan1137]

The Confederate Flag doesn't really bother me. I don't lose sleep over a piece of cloth. It's not really the topic of discussion (other than the SEC going after it).

King George III was the ruler over the land before the revolution war. They removed his statue. However I am aware Georgia plus other things are named in his honor.

Its just hypocrisy that the SEC office threatens the state of Mississippi over a piece of cloth but does nothing while traveling roads in their home state named after Wallace. Either leave Mississippi alone or go after Wallace honorings.

However I understand removing one name will lead to others. So basically why we weak and go after the small state. Either leave them alone or go after all?

The Confederate flag doesn't particularly bother me either. I am glad that the south lost the war...we'd likely be a loose confederation of states or perhaps even separate nations at this point. See Europe...not my idea of a good time.

Either way, I'm all for less cancel culture and a big proponent of free speech...whether or not I like the free speech.

 

[sadgator]

sadgator has no problem with states utilizing confederate symbols and monuments. To grow as a nation, we have to acknowledge and remember our failures...

but sadgator is a white dude who has never felt threatened by these things, so he defers to others who have for their guidance and viewpoints...

 

[BamaFan1137]

but sadgator is a white dude who has never felt threatened by these things, so he defers to others who have for their guidance and viewpoints...

Even if that restricts free speech? What happens when my right to not "feel threatened" butts up against your right to express yourself?

 

[sadgator]

If you want to wear a confederate flag on your shirt, fine by sadgator...no problem at all...

but when a giant African American dude punches you in the face for doing so, don’t look to sadgator for sympathy...

 

[TennesseeGator]

sadgator has no problem with states utilizing confederate symbols and monuments. To grow as a nation, we have to acknowledge and remember our failures...

but sadgator is a white dude who has never felt threatened by these things, so he defers to others who have for their guidance and viewpoints...

My main opinion on the Confederate flag and monuments is why so much honor to the loser? I have a man cave room with 1996, 2006, and 2008 National Title banners. I dont hang the 1995 got our ass handed to us by Nebraska flag on the wall. Despite the CSA winning many battles, UF won 12 battles with badasses like Chris Doering and such. However I want zero remembrance of that particular game.

 

[BamaFan1137]

If you want to wear a confederate flag on your shirt, fine by sadgator...no problem at all...

but when a giant African American dude punches you in the face for doing so, don’t look to sadgator for sympathy...

In my example, you were wearing the Confederate flag shirt so you got punched in the face.

Ftr, I would feel sympathy for you. A shirt shouldn't cause you to get punched in the face. I wouldn't punch a guy for wearing a F 12 shirt or ACAB. Why would I? His ignorance is punishment enough.

 

[BamaFan1137]

My main opinion on the Confederate flag and monuments is why so much honor to the loser? I have a man cave room with 1996, 2006, and 2008 National Title banners. I dont hang the 1995 got our ass handed to us by Nebraska flag on the wall. Despite the CSA winning many battles, UF won 12 battles with badasses like Chris Doering and such. However I want zero remembrance of that particular game.

Again, I'm absolutely pro-Union but I think the point of the monument is about honoring those who sacrificed.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Again, I'm absolutely pro-Union but I think the point of the monument is about honoring those who sacrificed.

But what did they sacrifice? Honestly they committed treason, tyranny, and such.

I'm not one who thinks history is recorded on a piece of cloth or an iron and/or concrete structure.

The Polo Grounds have been long removed but I still know plenty about Babe Ruth. I'm well aware of Roger Maris hitting the 61 Home Runs although that particular Yankee Stadium is now gone. Same with Mark McGwire and the Busch Stadium he broke the record in.

History is passed down through word of mouth. Is recorded in writings. There are internet based that can teach us all about Jefferson Davis that we don't have to leave the comfort of our desk chair so that we never have to visit a park in Downtown Memphis to learn from a 2 paragraph sign.

All that said though, I have never been intimidated by Big Concrete Man on a horse with an outdated firearm who lost his war nor the piece of cloth on the pole in front of him. Offended? Not really, but it does make me question the motives of the politicans and citizens who fight so hard to keep them intact. They claim it's in the name of history. Well simply write a book or internet blog.

Change the name of an underwater highway tunnel or a building on Auburn campus if the SEC office really wants to do something important. It won't change George Wallace's past actions but nobody in their right mind that was alive back then will forget his actions. Instead his name is kept alive. It will make the future generations google(or whatever the quick research point will be then) his name and then wonder why the Fvck is a street at Troy University named after such an a$$hole.

 

[TennesseeGator]

I can't find the particular article but it was an interview with Peggy Wallace Kennedy. Her son as her why Paw Paw was so mean to other people who were a different skin color.

The bad days of Wallace will never go away but sometimes it's best if certain names aren't kept in the spot light. Just fade into the norm of all other former governors of your great state.


When one is "honored" their name is also enhanced and the skeletons in the closet are constantly revealed.

If I were his children I wouldn't want his name plastered on public areas. I'd slowly want to drift into normalcy and keep the good legacy he had in my memory and heart.

 

[BamaFan1137]

But what did they sacrifice?

Their lives in many cases.

You and I both are viewing the war through today's lens. They weren't. They believed the North was committing treason. You and I disagree today and we're both glad they were unsuccessful.

I certainly don't care very much about statues or street names...obviously not as much as those bent on tearing them down or renaming them. What I do care about is, when and where will it end? How much will have to disappear before the offended are appeased? And who decides what is offensive?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Yes as was Ross Barnett and others? Your point? I am not a (D). I'm down the middle, I'm more of a Humanitarian that wants the laws of the Constitution followed.

I assumed you weren't a democrat. My comment was to the dems here that refuse to acknowledge their party's racist past and present.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I have nothing against Bear Bryant. I did joke with you the other day about his statement to Condredge Halloway. It was more tongue in cheek.

Bryant followed the rules set in his state while also wanting to end them. Wallace enforced the rules. Big difference IMO.

Well I'd go further and say Wallace wanted to change the rules to make them worse for minorities.

As for your other point about the SEC going after Mississippi and not Alabama, Alabama is the cash cow for the league. They won't go after Alabama UNLESS Alabama leadership signals to them that they are all in on the move. Then they can both partake in the virtue signaling.

Haven't kept up with the story that closely, but I think some of that may be happening from Mississippi's end.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Their lives in many cases.

You and I both are viewing the war through today's lens. They weren't. They believed the North was committing treason. You and I disagree today and we're both glad they were unsuccessful.

I certainly don't care very much about statues or street names...obviously not as much as those bent on tearing them down or renaming them. What I do care about is, when and where will it end? How much will have to disappear before the offended are appeased? And who decides what is offensive?

I don't disagree.

I write this reply as I am visiting a relative in Hernando, MS in DeSoto County. Named after Hernando DeSoto, whom has some skeletons in the closet.


Back to the topic at hand, why is Swanky and company picking and choosing? I get more offended about a straight up admitted(at one point in time) racist being glorified vs a piece of cloth that represents the people that sacrificed their life on what they thought was the correct cause at the time. Either let Mississippi be or go big or go home starting with the state you are headquartered in.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

They ban any type of championship in Mississippi due to the Confederate emblem on the state flag but they continue to play the SEC baseball tournament in Alabama. Also the headquarters are in Birmingham, Alabama. More SEC events in Alabama.

Numerous honors around the state on roadways, public universities, etc honor George Wallace.

Dude was offensive as hell not wanting minorities wanting equal education along with other equal basic rights. A true segregationist. Sure he later in life redeemed himself but most was forced due to higher government and militarily enforcement.

To hell with George Wallace, Ross Barnett, and all resistant to end Jim Crow laws, segregation, and anything associated.

FL, AL, AR, TX, GA, and TN all have state flags that are confederacy linked in design. Sankey with the pandering and obviously wanting BLM approval by saying MS will never host an SECCG is like saying the Super Bowl will never be held in Wichita Kansas. The SEC fans/alumni should demand his resignation for being a hypocrite and liar by starting a petition.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I'm not one who thinks history is recorded on a piece of cloth or an iron and/or concrete structure.

Gotta disagree with you here. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. The Civil War means very different things to many different people. Markers should be left alone to let us know what happened, without offering judgement. Then we can do our own research and decide how we view what happened and why it happened.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I don't disagree.

I write this reply as I am visiting a relative in Hernando, MS in DeSoto County. Named after Hernando DeSoto, whom has some skeletons in the closet.

This brings up another point. EVERYONE has skeletons in their closets. Byproduct of being human. If we say we will start stripping people from the history book due to their 'skeletons' then that's an insanely slippy slope, that often ends with the people doing the stripping wanting to remove the people that held beliefs they disagreed with, while overlooking the skeletons of the people that held beliefs in line with their own.

 

[BamaFan1137]

I don't disagree.

I write this reply as I am visiting a relative in Hernando, MS in DeSoto County. Named after Hernando DeSoto, whom has some skeletons in the closet.


Back to the topic at hand, why is Swanky and company picking and choosing? I get more offended about a straight up admitted(at one point in time) racist being glorified vs a piece of cloth that represents the people that sacrificed their life on what they thought was the correct cause at the time. Either let Mississippi be or go big or go home starting with the state you are headquartered in.

Honestly I think it boils down to low hanging fruit. The Confederate flag on a portion of the state flag is lower hanging fruit.

And I think Ghost has a point on virtue signaling.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Again, I'm absolutely pro-Union but I think the point of the monument is about honoring those who sacrificed.

Memorials, not worship or aspiration. agree^^^

 

[TennesseeGator]

Gotta disagree with you here. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. The Civil War means very different things to many different people. Markers should be left alone to let us know what happened, without offering judgement. Then we can do our own research and decide how we view what happened and why it happened.

Do the japs have monumemts of the air craft of "this is what we bomed the shiz out of Pearl Harbor with" on display somewhere?

If not we better get Hawaii prepared because they may repeat such an act.

We need our soldiers and contractors to make sure they re-erect that Saddam Hussein statue in Iraq. We don't want them to forget what happened and return back to an iron ruler.

Build the Wall as Trump is famous for saying. Lets concentrate those wall building efforts in Berlin because we don't want to forget and make the mistake of letting the Soviet Union be a power again.


Lets leave the Dozier School for Boys in Marianna, FL intact exactly how it is because we don't want young juvenile males beat senseless or to death.

Well forget and repeat those mistakes you know.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Do the japs have monumemts of the air craft of "this is what we bomed the shiz out of Pearl Harbor with" on display somewhere?

If not we better get Hawaii prepared because they may repeat such an act.

We need our soldiers and contractors to make sure they re-erect that Saddam Hussein statue in Iraq. We don't want them to forget what happened and return back to an iron ruler.

Build the Wall as Trump is famous for saying. Lets concentrate those wall building efforts in Berlin because we don't want to forget and make the mistake of letting the Soviet Union be a power again.


Lets leave the Dozier School for Boys in Marianna, FL intact exactly how it is because we don't want young juvenile males beat senseless or to death.

Well forget and repeat those mistakes you know.

The Japs? They (Japanese) have to look at memorials they created at Pearl Harbor (big population of Japanese Americans there) and the memorials we caused with Hiroshima and Nagasaki are not there to praise the bombings but to remind people that humanity is not guaranteed in war.

 

[BamaFan1137]

FL, AL, AR, TX, GA, and TN all have state flags that are confederacy linked in design.

Are you sure about TN and TX?

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Are you sure about TN and TX?

They were created before the civil war but are similarities to regiment flags displayed from Texas and Tennessee during the war.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Well I'd go further and say Wallace wanted to change the rules to make them worse for minorities.

As for your other point about the SEC going after Mississippi and not Alabama, Alabama is the cash cow for the league. They won't go after Alabama UNLESS Alabama leadership signals to them that they are all in on the move. Then they can both partake in the virtue signaling.

Haven't kept up with the story that closely, but I think some of that may be happening from Mississippi's end.

My point exactly. Lets look politically correct and attack the little weak hens in the chicken coop but don't dare touch the cash cow.

My honest point of this whole thread of point out the hypocrisy of Swanky and the powers that be in the SEC.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Steamroll the Pyramids and erase Grecian/Roman structures that were during a time of oppression. Where do we draw the line?

 

[TennesseeGator]

The Japs? They (Japanese) have to look at memorials they created at Pearl Harbor (big population of Japanese Americans there) and the memorials we caused with Hiroshima and Nagasaki are not there to praise the bombings but to remind people that humanity is not guaranteed in war.

But is there one memorial in Japan honoring the dictators and military that attacked Pearl Harbor?

Going by your statement the south should have left regiments of burned down plantation homes to remind them to not fight their fellow countrymen.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Steamroll the Pyramids and erase Grecian/Roman structures that were during a time of oppression. Where do we draw the line?

So why pick a battle flag and call that the line drawn? Who is in charge of drawing the lines. Either let all be as is or keep moving.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

But is there one memorial in Japan honoring the dictators and military that attacked Pearl Harbor?

Going by your statement the south should have left regiments of burned down plantation homes to remind them to not fight their fellow countrymen.

My logic is you are trying to think like modern era in a time where the people weren't led by PC politics. Real history can't be told or taught in a PC manner.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Honestly I think it boils down to low hanging fruit. The Confederate flag on a portion of the state flag is lower hanging fruit.

And I think Ghost has a point on virtue signaling.

It is an example of targeting the weak. Weak little Mississippi who honestly doesn't provide the revenue that Alabama does.

It's much easier to change building and street names vs having numerous buildings and courtrooms change their flags.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

So why pick a battle flag and call that the line drawn? Who is in charge of drawing the lines. Either let all be as is or keep moving.

The point is we were probably abusing women when the Neanderthal man was around. You can't make history be politically correct and displaying a part of Dixie on the flag isn't about slavery it's about pride in the South. We're part of the union but our roots have ties to family and traditions of the South.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Do the japs have monumemts of the air craft of "this is what we bomed the shiz out of Pearl Harbor with" on display somewhere?

If not we better get Hawaii prepared because they may repeat such an act.

We need our soldiers and contractors to make sure they re-erect that Saddam Hussein statue in Iraq. We don't want them to forget what happened and return back to an iron ruler.

Build the Wall as Trump is famous for saying. Lets concentrate those wall building efforts in Berlin because we don't want to forget and make the mistake of letting the Soviet Union be a power again.


Lets leave the Dozier School for Boys in Marianna, FL intact exactly how it is because we don't want young juvenile males beat senseless or to death.

Well forget and repeat those mistakes you know.

Or what's worse....let's tear down the statues that were erected decades or centuries ago, and let's erect NEW ones, and rewrite history in the process. Let's take the villains who we never honored, and re-brand them as heroes today because we want to create a history that never existed.

THIS is why I am again the constant tearing down of historical monuments. This is all about trying to re-write history. For instance, the nazis were as progressive left-wing as is conceivably possible, which is why liberals are desperately trying to re-brand them as 'right wing'.

Libs are tearing down statues of our first president, and throwing a burning flag over it. The justification? The left has re-branded Washington as a 'rich, white slave owner'.

See how this works? The problem with removing history is you then create a void that will be refilled by corrupt people who want to change history into something it never was in order to fulfill their own political goals.

"History is written by the victors" - Winston Churchill Oh they are tearing his statues down too.