Elon = Trump 2.0

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Have we noticed this?

What does Trump always do?

He gets evidence of a crime, but he doesn't present the evidence, instead he MAKES THE ACCUSATION.

Media and dems lose their minds. They attack him relentlessly. Gets everyone's attention.

Then he gives the evidence.

The Art of War.

What is Elon doing right now?







How is the media reacting? By attacking Elon for making the claims WITHOUT EVIDENCE.

Same thing they do when Trump does the same thing. But like Trump.....



Elon already has the evidence. Now he's gotten everyone's attention, next he will SHOW WHAT HE HAS.

Just like Trump.

Folks, THIS IS WHAT WINNING LOOKS LIKE.

I'm sure we have several Civil War buffs here. As you know from studying the war, the South almost won. In fact, the South was ahead from a strategic point of view after the first couple of years. It had better generals, Robert E Lee is widely regarded as one of the top military strategists in world history.

But the turning point for the North in winning the war was to cut off the South's supplies from Europe. The South heavily counted on Europe to give us the supplies we needed to keep fighting. When the North blockaded Mobile and other ports, it was a crippling blow, and the turning point in the war.

This is precisely what Elon is doing right now. This war against the enemies of the US is very much an information war. For the last few years, our enemies have controlled Twitter and have used it to seed and spread lies and false narratives.

Now Elon has taken that ability from them. We've just cut off one of our enemies top supply lines. Not only that, we are now using that same supply line to SUPPLY THE TRUTH.

Again, this is what WINNING looks like. I'm sure it didn't always feel like winning for the North in 1862/1863, but what they were doing then, planted the seeds for victory in 1865.

Hang on Patriot, victory is on the way.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Any questions?

 

[RayGravesGhost]

What exactly has trump "won" again? 🤣

 

[grandhavendiddy]

What exactly has trump "won" again? 🤣

I am no major Trump fan, per se, but he did win the 2016 presidential election and was going to get a second term until Covid-19 hit.

If "stop the steal" is around re-stating balance between divergent viewpoints, then many would agree - including suburban areas and women where republicans/conservatives continue to lose badly.

Here is Robby Soave



Here is Matt Taibi:

 

[grandhavendiddy]

Have we noticed this?

What does Trump always do?

He gets evidence of a crime, but he doesn't present the evidence, instead he MAKES THE ACCUSATION.

Media and dems lose their minds. They attack him relentlessly. Gets everyone's attention.

Then he gives the evidence.

The Art of War.

What is Elon doing right now?

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How is the media reacting? By attacking Elon for making the claims WITHOUT EVIDENCE.

Same thing they do when Trump does the same thing. But like Trump.....

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Elon already has the evidence. Now he's gotten everyone's attention, next he will SHOW WHAT HE HAS.

Just like Trump.

Folks, THIS IS WHAT WINNING LOOKS LIKE.

I'm sure we have several Civil War buffs here. As you know from studying the war, the South almost won. In fact, the South was ahead from a strategic point of view after the first couple of years. It had better generals, Robert E Lee is widely regarded as one of the top military strategists in world history.

But the turning point for the North in winning the war was to cut off the South's supplies from Europe. The South heavily counted on Europe to give us the supplies we needed to keep fighting. When the North blockaded Mobile and other ports, it was a crippling blow, and the turning point in the war.

This is precisely what Elon is doing right now. This war against the enemies of the US is very much an information war. For the last few years, our enemies have controlled Twitter and have used it to seed and spread lies and false narratives.

Now Elon has taken that ability from them. We've just cut off one of our enemies top supply lines. Not only that, we are now using that same supply line to SUPPLY THE TRUTH.

Again, this is what WINNING looks like. I'm sure it didn't always feel like winning for the North in 1862/1863, but what they were doing then, planted the seeds for victory in 1865.

Hang on Patriot, victory is on the way.

"The South heavily counted on Europe to give us the supplies we needed to keep fighting."

Ghost - "we"?

 

[RayGravesGhost]

I am no major Trump fan, per se, but he did win the 2016 presidential election and was going to get a second term until Covid-19 hit.

He was going to get a 2nd term? Really? Then he should win now with no problem right?

If "stop the steal" is around re-stating balance between divergent viewpoints, then many would agree - including suburban areas and women where republicans/conservatives continue to lose badly.

Huh? Stop The Steal was "balancing divergent viewpoints"?

It was the divergent viewpoint and balanced the truth with a lie

Here is Robby Soave

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So this pretty much says it wasn't a 1st amendment violation

Here is Matt Taibi:

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Taibi said something "new" in that video?

Funny how Taibi points to the distrust of political institutions starting in 2008

What else happened in 2008? What triggered the creation of tea party?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

"The South heavily counted on Europe to give us the supplies we needed to keep fighting."

Ghost - "we"?

This is your comment about that post?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I thought someone had a great description of what Elon is doing by pulling back the curtain and how the government and Twitter conspired to lie to the American public: "This is Q drops for the masses".

Exactly.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

I still want to know how long you waited in Dallas looking for JFK Jr to reappear 🤣

 

[grandhavendiddy]

Ray - a suggestion when trading notes with me. Would welcome trying to seek a more nuanced view versus trying to swat away each item, per se.

On 2008, this is part of what created the Tea Party.



See what Michael Baum (played by Steve Carrell) says at 2:25. "We live in an era of fraud".

To say that the Tea Party was individually and solely motivated by Obama (whom I voted for, by the way), is, respectfully, profoundly missing the point. The delight you take out of trolling Ghost and others aside on this board, I am relatively sure that you are a broader thinker than that.

Take that broader view here.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Ray - a suggestion when trading notes with me. Would welcome trying to seek a more nuanced view versus trying to swat away each item, per se.

I was addressing each point you made...speculative assumption you think I'm trying to "swat away" your post's points

On 2008, this is part of what created the Tea Party.

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See what Michael Baum (played by Steve Carrell) says at 2:25. "We live in an era of fraud".

You don't have to tell me...I was running $20 billion in a NYC bank portfolio, primarily MBS securities, at the time. Yes, the tea party was born in the chaos of the financial crisis but it wouldn't have existed if Obama had not won election.

How can I say that? Because it was a creation of the right wing conservative movement leadership
Primarily created by the AFP (the Koch Brothers) and DIck Armey (R-TX former House Majority Leader)

The Tea Party movement was an American fiscally conservative political movement within the Republican Party that began in 2009. Members of the movement called for lower taxes and for a reduction of the national debt and federal budget deficit through decreased government spending.[1][2] The movement supported small-government principles[3][4] and opposed government-sponsored universal healthcare.[5] The Tea Party movement has been described as both a popular constitutional movement[6] and as an “Astro Turf operation” purporting to be spontaneous and grassroots, but created by hidden elite interests.[7] It was composed of a mixture of libertarian,[8] right-wing populist,[9] and conservative activism.[10] It has sponsored multiple protests and supported various political candidates since 2009.[11][12][13] According to the American Enterprise Institute, various polls in 2013 estimated that slightly over 10% of Americans identified as part of the movement.[14]

The Tea Party movement was popularly launched following a February 19, 2009, call by CNBC reporter Rick Santelli on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange for a "tea party".[15][16] On February 20, 2009, The Nationwide Tea Party Coalition also helped launch the Tea Party movement via a conference call attended by around 50 conservative activists.[17][18] Supporters of the movement subsequently had a major impact on the internal politics of the Republican Party. Although the Tea Party is not a political party in the classic sense of the word, research published in 2016 suggests that members of the Tea Party Caucus voted like a significantly more right-wing third party in Congress.[19] A major force behind it was Americans for Prosperity (AFP), a conservative political advocacy group founded by businessman and political activist David Koch. It is unclear exactly how much money is donated to AFP by David Koch and his brother Charles Koch.[20]


The Big Short is a good movie...I remember being excited for its release

To say that the Tea Party was individually and solely motivated by Obama (whom I voted for, by the way), is, respectfully, profoundly missing the point.

Actually its profoundly supported by facts...maybe you should stop trying to sleuth my motivations and address the facts surround the tea party?

The delight you take out of trolling Ghost and others aside on this board, I am relatively sure that you are a broader thinker than that.

Again what qualifies as "trolling" to you?

Would that be the completely idiotic assigning "perversion" to a particular political affiliation?
Or maybe its wasting bandwidth posting about Hillary Clinton's Carpool Karaoke?

And don't forget the importance of the "pedoHitler" thread

I'm the troll? Don't make me laugh 🤣

Take that broader view here.

I'll take the broad view....what do you have to say about the actual history of the tea party movement?

Yes they were pissed about fraud...as was EVERYONE

I remember how TARP became the symbol of that. It wasa Bush creation that Obama "fixed" into better legislation.

 

[nail1988]

I was addressing each point you made...speculative assumption you think I'm trying to "swat away" your post's points



You don't have to tell me...I was running $20 billion in a NYC bank portfolio, primarily MBS securities, at the time. Yes, the tea party was born in the chaos of the financial crisis but it wouldn't have existed if Obama had not won election.

How can I say that? Because it was a creation of the right wing conservative movement leadership
Primarily created by the AFP (the Koch Brothers) and DIck Armey (R-TX former House Majority Leader)

The Tea Party movement was an American fiscally conservative political movement within the Republican Party that began in 2009. Members of the movement called for lower taxes and for a reduction of the national debt and federal budget deficit through decreased government spending.[1][2] The movement supported small-government principles[3][4] and opposed government-sponsored universal healthcare.[5] The Tea Party movement has been described as both a popular constitutional movement[6] and as an “Astro Turf operation” purporting to be spontaneous and grassroots, but created by hidden elite interests.[7] It was composed of a mixture of libertarian,[8] right-wing populist,[9] and conservative activism.[10] It has sponsored multiple protests and supported various political candidates since 2009.[11][12][13] According to the American Enterprise Institute, various polls in 2013 estimated that slightly over 10% of Americans identified as part of the movement.[14]

The Tea Party movement was popularly launched following a February 19, 2009, call by CNBC reporter Rick Santelli on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange for a "tea party".[15][16] On February 20, 2009, The Nationwide Tea Party Coalition also helped launch the Tea Party movement via a conference call attended by around 50 conservative activists.[17][18] Supporters of the movement subsequently had a major impact on the internal politics of the Republican Party. Although the Tea Party is not a political party in the classic sense of the word, research published in 2016 suggests that members of the Tea Party Caucus voted like a significantly more right-wing third party in Congress.[19] A major force behind it was Americans for Prosperity (AFP), a conservative political advocacy group founded by businessman and political activist David Koch. It is unclear exactly how much money is donated to AFP by David Koch and his brother Charles Koch.[20]


The Big Short is a good movie...I remember being excited for its release




Actually its profoundly supported by facts...maybe you should stop trying to sleuth my motivations and address the facts surround the tea party?



Again what qualifies as "trolling" to you?

Would that be the completely idiotic assigning "perversion" to a particular political affiliation?
Or maybe its wasting bandwidth posting about Hillary Clinton's Carpool Karaoke?

And don't forget the importance of the "pedoHitler" thread

I'm the troll? Don't make me laugh 🤣



I'll take the broad view....what do you have to say about the actual history of the tea party movement?

Yes they were pissed about fraud...as was EVERYONE

I remember how TARP became the symbolof that. It wasa Bush creation that Obama "fixed" into better legislation.

The tea party movement started through grass roots efforts over Owebama-care which took over 6% of our economy that set out to destroy the greatest Healthcare system in the world.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

The tea party movement started through grass roots efforts over Owebama-care which took over 6% of our economy that set out to destroy the greatest Healthcare system in the world.

Hey nail finally got something partially correct... 😲

They organized around Obama becoming POTUS and wanting to obstruct anything he supported


What does nail have wrong? It wasn't "grassroots" at all
But as we've seen since...billionaires have been lying to conservative audiences that gobble it up

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Hey nail finally got something partially correct... 😲

They organized around Obama becoming POTUS and wanting to obstruct anything he supported


What does nail have wrong? It wasn't "grassroots" at all
But as we've seen since...billionaires have been lying to conservative audiences that gobble it up

What I find SO SAD is that the first black president was such a failure. Blacks waited SO LONG to have a black president...and they got this VILLAGE IDIOT! LOLOLOL. Actually...it is kind of funny.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

The tea party movement started through grass roots efforts over Owebama-care which took over 6% of our economy that set out to destroy the greatest Healthcare system in the world.

And obama gave us our President Trump as well.

Sometimes you need to see pure evil take power in order to get enough Patriots off the front porch to do something. I suspect history will show that's what happened here.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

What I find SO SAD is that the first black president was such a failure. Blacks waited SO LONG to have a black president...and they got this VILLAGE IDIOT! LOLOLOL. Actually...it is kind of funny.

Awww...old racist ron doesn't have anything but his white grievance to hold tight and make him feel better about a dynamic changing world

Must sting that Obama is discussed amongst who's the best POTUS ever...and your favorite POTUS is discussed as being one of ...if not, "THE" worst

trump can't even beat Obama's sidekick Biden at anything...

When you can't compete with "Robin"...
How can you even think about comparing him to "Batman" himself 😂

 

[nothergator]

The tea party movement started through grass roots efforts over Owebama-care which took over 6% of our economy that set out to destroy the greatest Healthcare system in the world.

The Democrats wanted the Government to take over administration and control of our healthcare (single payer system). Thus when you realize the fraud and incompetence involved when our Federal Government runs and administers any program you wonder why anyone including middle class Democrats would want the Government running our healthcare.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

The Democrats wanted the Government to take over administration and control of our healthcare (single payer system). Thus when you realize the fraud and incompetence involved when our Federal Government runs and administers any program you wonder why anyone including middle class Democrats would want the Government running our healthcare.

Compared to what? Corporate America? 🤣

You might be dating yourself....that was the old conservative message
Since trump the distrust extends to corporate America too

Wasn't Twitter the height of fraud & incompetence?
Or maybe FTX is...

What about all internet related companies?

Or is it the corrupt financial industry & Wall St?

And we sure as hell don't trust Big Pharma, oil companies, insurance companies, healthcare industry, automakers, home builders, etc.

 

[nothergator]

Compared to what? Corporate America? 🤣

You might be dating yourself....that was the old conservative message
Since trump the distrust extends to corporate America too

Wasn't Twitter the height of fraud & incompetence?
Or maybe FTX is...

What about all internet related companies?

Or is it the corrupt financial industry & Wall St?

And we sure as hell don't trust Big Pharma, oil companies, insurance companies, healthcare industry, automakers, home builders, etc.

Wow! I must have misread or misinterpret what you just wrote cause I agree with everything you just postulated.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Awww...old racist ron doesn't have anything but his white grievance to hold tight and make him feel better about a dynamic changing world

Must sting that Obama is discussed amongst who's the best POTUS ever...and your favorite POTUS is discussed as being one of ...if not, "THE" worst

trump can't even beat Obama's sidekick Biden at anything...

When you can't compete with "Robin"...
How can you even think about comparing him to "Batman" himself 😂

The REAL racists are Hussein and his husband. And now the people who vote for them. We wear the WHITE hats, son....

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

This is what we have dealt with for the last 6 years here with @sadgator @LizardGrad89 @bradleygator @BSC911 @kalimgoodman and so many others.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

I was addressing each point you made...speculative assumption you think I'm trying to "swat away" your post's points



You don't have to tell me...I was running $20 billion in a NYC bank portfolio, primarily MBS securities, at the time. Yes, the tea party was born in the chaos of the financial crisis but it wouldn't have existed if Obama had not won election.

How can I say that? Because it was a creation of the right wing conservative movement leadership
Primarily created by the AFP (the Koch Brothers) and DIck Armey (R-TX former House Majority Leader)

The Tea Party movement was an American fiscally conservative political movement within the Republican Party that began in 2009. Members of the movement called for lower taxes and for a reduction of the national debt and federal budget deficit through decreased government spending.[1][2] The movement supported small-government principles[3][4] and opposed government-sponsored universal healthcare.[5] The Tea Party movement has been described as both a popular constitutional movement[6] and as an “Astro Turf operation” purporting to be spontaneous and grassroots, but created by hidden elite interests.[7] It was composed of a mixture of libertarian,[8] right-wing populist,[9] and conservative activism.[10] It has sponsored multiple protests and supported various political candidates since 2009.[11][12][13] According to the American Enterprise Institute, various polls in 2013 estimated that slightly over 10% of Americans identified as part of the movement.[14]

The Tea Party movement was popularly launched following a February 19, 2009, call by CNBC reporter Rick Santelli on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange for a "tea party".[15][16] On February 20, 2009, The Nationwide Tea Party Coalition also helped launch the Tea Party movement via a conference call attended by around 50 conservative activists.[17][18] Supporters of the movement subsequently had a major impact on the internal politics of the Republican Party. Although the Tea Party is not a political party in the classic sense of the word, research published in 2016 suggests that members of the Tea Party Caucus voted like a significantly more right-wing third party in Congress.[19] A major force behind it was Americans for Prosperity (AFP), a conservative political advocacy group founded by businessman and political activist David Koch. It is unclear exactly how much money is donated to AFP by David Koch and his brother Charles Koch.[20]


The Big Short is a good movie...I remember being excited for its release




Actually its profoundly supported by facts...maybe you should stop trying to sleuth my motivations and address the facts surround the tea party?



Again what qualifies as "trolling" to you?

Would that be the completely idiotic assigning "perversion" to a particular political affiliation?
Or maybe its wasting bandwidth posting about Hillary Clinton's Carpool Karaoke?

And don't forget the importance of the "pedoHitler" thread

I'm the troll? Don't make me laugh 🤣



I'll take the broad view....what do you have to say about the actual history of the tea party movement?

Yes they were pissed about fraud...as was EVERYONE

I remember how TARP became the symbol of that. It wasa Bush creation that Obama "fixed" into better legislation.

A few thoughts - yes, there is plenty of trolling and counter-trolling to go around.
On the Tea Party, in fairness, I have not studied up on it, but just reviewed on Wikipedia and found the same material you did. It's sentiments have been around since Jack Kemp and Supply Side economics. (I respected and liked Kemp, although Laffler notions of tax cuts fully offsetting revenue was a fantasy and has started our massive build up of debt.

Awww...old racist ron doesn't have anything but his white grievance to hold tight and make him feel better about a dynamic changing world

Must sting that Obama is discussed amongst who's the best POTUS ever...and your favorite POTUS is discussed as being one of ...if not, "THE" worst

trump can't even beat Obama's sidekick Biden at anything...

When you can't compete with "Robin"...
How can you even think about comparing him to "Batman" himself 😂

Was Obama one of the best presidents ever? That is a stretch. Was he very intelligent, charismatic and at times practical, yes.
Obamacare is a hard one. At some point, people, citizens and those of legal work visas, need healthcare coverage.

 

[BillCutting4585]

This is going to get really good

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

Laffer curve is theoretical and used to discover optimal revenue. Even though revenue increased due to growth in GDP congress continued to spend more than they took in...Fiat money, the welfare state and congressional overspending are the major factors in deficits and debt. It is not due to Laffer,JFKs apt observation, or military spending.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

This is going to get really good

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Follow the white rabbit.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

Laffer curve is theoretical and used to discover optimal revenue. Even though revenue increased due to growth in GDP congress continued to spend more than they took in...Fiat money, the welfare state and congressional overspending are the major factors in deficits and debt. It is not due to Laffer,JFKs apt observation, or military spending.

It was used to justify Reagan's work with David Stockman (OMB Director) to cut taxes and then wait to see if expense cuts came in.

The thoughts, identical to the Pat Ryan work, was that if deficits started to rise, then that would create the political will to cut spending. It did not and never will.

Tax cuts do wonders to drive campaign funding. (read: Sinema and carried interest provision). Beyond that, they run up debts.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

Tax cuts do not run up debt...debt is a spending issue...revenue over many decades has shown to increase with positive GDP and shrink with negative GDP. This is regardless of tax cuts under Reagan et al and increases under Clinton et al. LBJ and Nixon are to blame more so than any others.

 

[Sunburnt Indian]

What I find SO SAD is that the first black president was such a failure. Blacks waited SO LONG to have a black president...and they got this VILLAGE IDIOT! LOLOLOL. Actually...it is kind of funny.

There's no humor in what black America got.

Legions of black Americans showed up to vote for Obama the first time. He was perceived to be the Messiah. He failed miserably. The heavy, heavy Hillary backing CEO of BET said we owe Trump thanks for what he did for black America. Trump led criminal reform which hurt black America most. Obama talked criminal reform. Have we checked out minority unemployment numbers and rising wages prior to the pandemic?

I recomend Rigged by Mollie Hemingway and the documentary film 2000 Mules.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

There's no humor in what black America got.

Legions of black Americans showed up to vote for Obama the first time. He was perceived to be the Messiah. He failed miserably. The heavy, heavy Hillary backing CEO of BET said we owe Trump thanks for what he did for black America.

That isn't what he said but why be factually correct, right?

https://www.essence.com/news/politics/bet-founder-bob-johnson-give-trump-shot/
BET Founder Bob Johnson: 'Give [Trump] A Shot'
HIS EXACT WORDS: GIVE THE PRESIDENT-ELECT “THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.”


Obama achieved record improvement on black unemployment, record levels of healthcare coverage, and record graduation rates for black America.

Trump led criminal reform which hurt black America most. Obama talked criminal reform.

Fair Sentencing Act
Consent Decrees
Enhanced Use of Drug Courts
Restore funding of the Byrne/JAG program
Fully Fund the Violence Against Women Act
President's Task Force on 21st Century Policing

trump's criminal reform was actually an extension of Holder's Smart on Crime Initiative

Have we checked out minority unemployment numbers and rising wages prior to the pandemic?

Have you? 🤣

Black unemployment went from 16.8% to 7.9% under Obama (53% improvement)
Under trump from 8% to 5.5% (31% improvement)

Come on wannabe mensa are the numbers too difficult for you understand?

I recomend Rigged by Mollie Hemingway and the documentary film 2000 Mules.

I recommend you read some unemployment economic data and some criminal justice reform publications

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Black unemployment went from 16.8% to 7.9% under Obama (53% improvement)
Under trump from 8% to 5.5% (31% improvement)

Come on wannabe mensa are the numbers too difficult for you understand?

I recommend you read some unemployment economic data and some criminal justice reform publications

And I recommend you stop lying.

Look at your graph above: It starts with 2010.

Why start with 2010, when obama entered the White House in 2009?

Because black unemployment was 14.8% under obama in 2009:

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/race-and-ethnicity/archive/race_ethnicity_2009.pdf

Additionally, the black unemployment rate in 2008 was 10.1%.

So lets return to your claim about obama: You said black unemployment went from 16.8% to 7.9%.

This is completely false. Black unemployment went from 10.1% to 7.9% under obama. Not the 53% reduction you claimed, more like 20%.

So as you just proved, Trump reduced the percentage of black unemployment by 31.3%, while obama only reduced it by 20%, after RAISING it to a massive 16.8% after his first year in office.

Kudos to you, in one post you made @Sunburnt Indian's point that Trump did more for blacks, while also making his point that you are slow.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Again what qualifies as "trolling" to you?

Would that be the completely idiotic assigning "perversion" to a particular political affiliation?

I've never understood why libs get upset that others call out their full-throated embrace of perverts, but they never stop embracing the perverts.

I mean, you guys get what you deserve. Go to bed with a man, you might wake up with a man, or a man who identifies as a woman, or with they.

Be a decent person and no one can accuse you of being a pervert. How is this confusing to you?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Get ready to see wall-to-wall coverage of the SBF arrest today in MSM. This is their custom-made distraction from the growing calls to jail fauci.

It won't work. When the covid files drops later today, don't be shocked if another 'breaking news' story happens tonight or tomorrow.

"The media will need a distraction".

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Tax cuts do not run up debt...debt is a spending issue...revenue over many decades has shown to increase with positive GDP and shrink with negative GDP. This is regardless of tax cuts under Reagan et al and increases under Clinton et al. LBJ and Nixon are to blame more so than any others.

Dims CANNOT understand this no matter what. Reagan TRIED to explain it to them...but THEY ran up the deficit while he was in office. It is what ALWAYS happens. They let the military get DANGEROUSLY weak. The voters see it, and elect Republicans. They try to pass bills, but dim wits load them with slop...or they refuse to give their vote. THEN they blame Republicans for running up the debt. UIt happened under Reagan...it happened under Trump. Carter and Hussein RUINED our military readiness. Reagan did so well he made the USSR scream "uncle". Trump did just as well...NO country invaded anywhere while he was in office...they knew better. Then they STEAL an election, and Afghanistan "happens" Now we pay the price

 

[RayGravesGhost]

And I recommend you stop lying.

Look at your graph above: It starts with 2010.

Why start with 2010, when obama entered the White House in 2009?

Because that's when black unemployment caused by Bush's financial crisis reached its high point
Kinda like excluding COVID from trump's performance as conservatives like to do


But let's go with including the data from inauguration to leaving the WH

Obama left the WH with LOWER black unemployment than when he entered (12.7 vs 7.5) -5.2%
trump left the WH with HIGHER black unemployment than when he entered (7.5 vs 9.2) +1.7%

trump loses to Obama again


Black Unemployment Under Obama

Because black unemployment was 14.8% under obama in 2009:

Wrong. Black unemployment rose to 16.1% in Dec of 2009 (Read the data above)

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/race-and-ethnicity/archive/race_ethnicity_2009.pdf

Additionally, the black unemployment rate in 2008 was 10.1%.

Bush was president all of 2008 🤣
(Or have you forgotten already that you said Obama entered in 2009?)

Obama was inaugurated in Jan 2009 and black unemployment was 12.7%

So lets return to your claim about obama: You said black unemployment went from 16.8% to 7.9%.

This is completely false. Black unemployment went from 10.1% to 7.9% under obama. Not the 53% reduction you claimed, more like 20%.

Why do you keep claiming black unemployment was 10.1% under Obama?

That was the black unemployment rate in Dec 2008... UNDER BUSH

When Obama took office black unemployment was 12.7%

So as you just proved, Trump reduced the percentage of black unemployment by 31.3%, while obama only reduced it by 20%, after RAISING it to a massive 16.8% after his first year in office.

Not according to the Fed...

Kudos to you, in one post you made @Sunburnt Indian's point that Trump did more for blacks, while also making his point that you are slow.

Poor malone so desperate for a "win" he has to manipulate history & the data record

Black unemployment rose under trump...trump finished with black unemployment @ 9.8% from starting at 7.5%


We don't need anymore of trump's "doing more" for black people....once was more than enough of him 😎

 

[RayGravesGhost]

I've never understood why libs get upset that others call out their full-throated embrace of perverts, but they never stop embracing the perverts.

I mean, you guys get what you deserve. Go to bed with a man, you might wake up with a man, or a man who identifies as a woman, or with they.

Be a decent person and no one can accuse you of being a pervert. How is this confusing to you?

What I never understand is why conservatives who claim to want government out of their lives so interested in meddling in the lives of others.

The angry conservative looks at home schooling as a show of independence...that the state has no authority in educating their child only the parent does. And then they want to enforce their morality on the children of other parents through school boards and extremist (usually unconstitutional) legislation

Its ridiculous and lazy to think conservative queers don't exist...

So I guess that means conservatism embraces queers also 😲


Blurring the Spectrum: Exploring Queer Conservatism

Austin P. Mejdrich, Eastern Illinois University

Degree Name​

Master of Arts (MA)

Semester of Degree Completion​

2018

Thesis Director​

Ryan P. Burge

Abstract​

Running parallel to the groundbreaking and historic advancement of LGBTQ rights over the past decade has been the rise in the prominence and public discourse of queer conservative thinking. From the Log Cabin Republicans to far-right nationalistic politics, queer conservatives underscore both diverging ideologies within the modern American conservative tradition and the increase of far-right politics in Western societies. This study argues that queer conservatism, while traditionally less explored in the broader context of sexuality politics, is consequential to an understanding of the LGBTQ community and queer politics. Thus, an exploration of queer conservatism as a political ideology is explored, in addition to novel quantitative analyses of this community. Additionally, theories are offered to explain the rise of far-right nationalistic views within queer conservatism after the 9/11 and Pulse nightclub terrorist attacks. This study concludes that, while queer conservatism is a subset of the LGBTQ community, its foundations, legacies, and implications are critical to broader discussions of intersections of sexuality, heteronormativity, race, and post-9/11 politics.

 

[BamaFan1137]

I'm conservative. If a person is gay, fine. I believe what I believe and it is not my job to force anyone else to believe it.

What I cannot and will not support is extra rights and extra protections for people because of those differences.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Elon is not Trump 2.0.

Trump is a uniquely venomous miscreant—the kind you only witness once in a lifetime.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

I'm conservative. If a person is gay, fine. I believe what I believe and it is not my job to force anyone else to believe it.

You're more open minded than a lot of your conservative collogues here...

What I cannot and will not support is extra rights and extra protections for people because of those differences.

Is free speech an "extra right or protection"?
That's what Ron DeSantis's legislation does

In your opinion is it "extra" to have them covered under anti-discrimination protections?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Because that's when black unemployment caused by Bush's financial crisis

We aren't talking about Bush, we are talking about you lying about obama.

Wrong. Black unemployment rose to 16.1% in Dec of 2009 (Read the data above)

Bingo. It ROSE under obama. But here's what you first claimed happened:

Black unemployment went from 16.8% to 7.9% under Obama (53% improvement)

Wait, did it RISE to 16% or start there under obama??? Now you're claiming this:

Obama left the WH with LOWER black unemployment than when he entered (12.7 vs 7.5) -5.2%

See you just make up numbers on the fly. So which claim do you want to go with? The first or second one?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

What I never understand is why conservatives who claim to want government out of their lives so interested in meddling in the lives of others.

I don't get why you are so menstrual over this issue.

Wait, I apologize. This could actually be you going through your man-period for this month. I should have been more understanding.