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- Thread starter Dr. Curmudgeon
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So Colin Kaepernick was realy tearing up the NFL when he dicided to take a knee?
I'm not going there. Not arguing his motives or even if I support the guy. Just saying that the right was calling for his "cancel".
I could be wrong but I don’t remember specific people on the right cancelling Kap. Not saying you’re wrong.
In this situation, you’ll have to define exactly how Kap has been cancelled. Are we talking the kneeling, his Twitter posts, his play on the field, etc.?
You do a great job in staying in that middle lane and not taking a stance. No problem. It just lets people know where you might stand. I am more of a take a stance person until you prove me wrong.
Not every discussion is about taking a stance. As I've stated, the right cancel just like the left.
Honestly man, I don't know the exact reason because I truly didn't care about Kap but I know the right wanted him canceled. They even said that he should leave the country, so I'm guessing it was over kneeling.
No matter what discussion you bring up to me. I have a stance on what I believe. I dont ride fences
What one calls oneself is less important than the actions and/or positions one takes.
@BSC911 isn't the furthest left guy I've ever met or even the furthest left guy on this board and neither are you. But both of you are as far to the left as I am to the right. Our positions, not our feelings or what we want to call ourselves, define that.
Because we didn't like what he stood for, or knelt for as it were, means we canceled him?
No...he has a voice, just like we do. He is free to exercise his just like we are. I think he's an idiot and a racist. I'm sure he'd have some unsavory opinions of me. Those opinions do not mean we are canceling one another.
Wanting people who you disagree with to STFU is not the same thing as canceling them.
I would be a pussycat cop. Drive people home to let the parents take care of the problem, just like the MPs did with me.
Haha...I doubt that. We all think that at first. You bend when you can but most times, as you would find out, you do more harm than good by letting distressed people not hit bottom when they need to. The bottom tends to get deeper over time.
And I don't think you're a pussycat anyway, haha.
Shutting down ones voice. Eliminating, fairly or not, their ability to reach others. If not absolutely eliminating, significantly causing harm to it through shame, social pressure, political pressure, physically stopping, ect.
Harvey Weinstein was canceled...fairly enough. But that is a pretty good example.
I know the kneeling thing turned a lot of people off to Kap. When I saw it, it pissed me off because it’s a giant middle finger to our troops, men in blue, fire fighters and anyone who would die for the flag.
Throw in his tweets, his pig/cop socks, thinking he didn’t get a starting role as QB because he of the kneeling when he just wasn’t cutting it and I’d say a lot of people, regardless of part affiliation, cancelled Kap. Hell, I’ll go out on a limb and say Kap cancelled Kap with his antics.
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I think if you glanced at the horror show (Grammys) last night you realized just why we need Dr. Seuss's wisdom being read by our children. I've seen tribal/native dances with more dignity than what was displayed on national TV.
So basically you are saying what you call yourself and other people is the determining factor.
It sounds like you just contradicted yourself.
Many of the Tards OTB said they would never watch the NFL or ESPN again. Not sure where you stand but that sounds pretty much like cancel culture. I think some said the same about Disney for some reason.
Once again i never said that and that wasn't even the topic. SO why are you taking it there?
You mentioned his kneeling in the post I replied to. So you brought it up.
I'll take your refusal to answer as my answer. Not surprised.
I didn't bring it up, someone else brought it up. I see you're not good with facts or reading a thread. You seem to single out people.
I don't because it is being done to divide and i am anti-division but once again that's not the point of this thread. The point was that the right tried to cancel him.
So if you choose not to watch Fox, that means you are canceling them IYO?
That's stupid...and I disagree, obviously.
Trying to get them off air through the cable companies would be a better example of canceling them...but no one would ever try that, right? 😂
Well if so, they failed miserably. Dude is a multi-millionaire, if he didn't kneel, he would be QB coach for some high school in North Cali right now.
He wasn't a star QB. He had just lost his job as a starter and as soon as he went to the bench, he decided to kneel to draw attention to himself.
Worked beautifully. Let's recall that no team in the NFL would touch him cause he was a garbage player. They finally got guilted into having a tryout for him, and the only guy that got an NFL offer was ONE OF THE WRs HE THREW TO LMAO!
Dude is a douchebag opportunist. He took a knee cause the coach told him to take a seat. Simple as that.
No, but calling for a boycott, as many have, is still the same thing. Many have stated they will never buy Nike sneakers again, just because they had a Kav commercial. Some idiot even said they wouldn’t ever watch a Bama football game again. Another idiot said the NFL owners should fire anyone who protests. Yes, that’s a cancel culture.
Choosing not to watch or wear something because you prefer something else is not even close to being the same thing. Bad analogy.
I had lost interest in the NFL years before. Didn't realize he had lost the starting job. Then what was all the noise about then if he wasn't even a starter. I remember claims of owners collision and racisim because none of them wanted to hire him.
Remember he was the starting QB for the 49ers that year Harbaugh took them to the Super Bowl.
That's what got me wondering about his kneeling. Just wondering how that flew while he was the starter for the conference champs.
So I did some research. Kapernick started playing in the NFL in 2011. He didn't play much. Then toward the end of the 2012 season, the starting QB got injured, and Kaepernick was made the starter. This is when Harbaugh was there. He did pretty good, so Harbaugh kept him as starter. That lasted through the 2014 season, and at the end of the 2014 season, Harbaugh went to Michigan.
Up till this point, zero 'protests' from Kapernick, and he spent almost his entire career as a starter.
The 2015 season started with a new coach, and the new guy didn't like Kaepernick, so the backup was made the starter. The club said Kapernick needed surgery, so he was out the rest of the season.
Coming into the 2016 season, Kapernick was clearly the backup and riding the bench. In the 3rd preseason game, a reporter noticed he was sitting on the bench during the playing of the National Anthem. He was asked about it after the game and said something about he wasn't going to stand up for a country that opposes black people or some such garbage.
Reminder: Up until this point, he had NEVER done this and spent most of his career as the starting QB. But 2016 was the first season since his rookie year of 2011 that he was going into the season with no chance of starting.
The next week, after the reporters had noticed his sitting for the anthem stunt and it was in the news, for the first time he kneeled during the National Anthem.
One more time: When he was starter, zero protests. As soon as he was on the bench, he suddenly 'protested' for the first time.
Make of that what you will.
