Does any sane person think....

[bradleygator]

I’m going to laugh if LDR comes out this week and blows Vandy away…then I can say “I told you so some tim e back"… but that is a big if

I don't think beating Vandy at home is much of an I told you so. Bama just beat them by a million. Vandy's defense is good though. If he starts chucking the ball all over the field and Mac's offense explodes the rest of the year, that would be an I told you so. Get to Atlanta and hang in there against 'Bama would be a big time I told you so. I don't like either one of them, but I hope to see it.

 

[bradleygator]

then the luck ran out, the program fell apart,

This is the issue. I believe in Muschamp's 11-win year, we beat some Division II team at home, appy st. maybe, but we needed a blocked punt at the end to do it. Problem with playing close games is that at some point the luck turns. That's why quite a few of us are still bitching about the past 2 wins. We did some good things to come back in those games, but we also benefited from some craziness that is just not sustainable.

 

[oozie7]

This is the issue. I believe in Muschamp's 11-win year, we beat some Division II team at home, appy st. maybe, but we needed a blocked punt at the end to do it. Problem with playing close games is that at some point the luck turns. That's why quite a few of us are still bitching about the past 2 wins. We did some good things to come back in those games, but we also benefited from some craziness that is just not sustainable.

Right. I guess the strategy is to continue to count on dumb coaches to make glaring mistakes allowing us to win at the buzzer. But hey, spoiled Gator fans and all. How dare we expect some improvement and not to have among the worst defense and offense in college football in year 3. We're just upset we're not winning by enough.

 

[sadgator]

Right. I guess the strategy is to continue to count on dumb coaches to make glaring mistakes allowing us to win at the buzzer. But hey, spoiled Gator fans and all. How dare we expect some improvement and not to have among the worst defense and offense in college football in year 3. We're just upset we're not winning by enough.

That's a simplistic view of it. We lost a huge chunk of our team before the season even began...then we lost a game to the storm, and everyone knows that MAC is trying to fit young puzzle pieces together.

It isn't enough to just win..and we all know that. We DO have to show improvement, you are 100% correct about that. But the sample size just isn't big enough yet to fully judge it, so it is a bit premature for folks to be calling for Mac's head in week 5, while we sit at 2-1 with a 3 game home stand before us.

Just be patient. The truth will reveal itself soon enough, and then we can fairly judge where we stand.

To this point sadgator would absolutely agree that Mac's personel decisions have been highly suspect.

 

[zengator]

No disrespect to you, but I can't stand posts like these. Minimizing people's concerns as if we're all just mad we're not winning by enough so you can all push the 'spoiled Gator fans' narrative. That shit is old. These were the same things said almost word for word when we were barely scrapping by bad teams under Muschamp, then the luck ran out, the program fell apart, and the people calling out all the spoiled UF fans were nowhere to be found. Now here we are with the same thing.

Here's a hint, when you start to focus your energy on the fans its usually because the results on the field can't speak for you. So distract with how the fans expectations are out of whack, as if anybody is expecting championships. How about fixing the damn offense even slightly after 3 years?

I pointed out exactly why I think it may not be a problem. I am minimizing your concerns because it's too early to have a "fire him" or "this isn't working type of opinion yet" you've at least got to let him finish the damn year. If we're sitting at 9-2 come seasons end, given the situation this dude inherited, and people are calling for his job then at that point gator fans are in fact spoiled and a detriment to the program. If we're 6-5 that's a whole different thing. My point is you have to let it play out. And frankly, the sample size isn't large enough for some of the concerns voiced on this thread.

 

[HardeeWildcatFan]

I pointed out exactly why I think it may not be a problem. I am minimizing your concerns because it's too early to have a "fire him" or "this isn't working type of opinion yet" you've at least got to let him finish the damn year. If we're sitting at 9-2 come seasons end, given the situation this dude inherited, and people are calling for his job then at that point gator fans are in fact spoiled and a detriment to the program. If we're 6-5 that's a whole different thing. My point is you have to let it play out. And frankly, the sample size isn't large enough for some of the concerns voiced on this thread.

Why do you keep saying what he inherited when he’s on his third season? The players we see, the majority of them, are Mac and Nuss recruits not Muschamp… so please stop with the nonsense… most people’s issues with this te am is there is no productivity with the Offense… nobody is saying anything about the defense issues because we know they are young… when your offense is ranked by stats in the 120s that should tell the HC that something is not right… The HC is responsible to get those stats up and if the OC is not doing his job well enough he should be accountable… Both Mac and Nuss just got a raise for what? Nuss’s Offense is still after three seasons pathetic, low scoring, can’t pass the ball past 10 yards downfield,etc………If the OC is not doing his job he should be demoted or fired but since Mac and Nuss are good friends we know this is not going to happen… they best not get another raise unless they win something besides a pathetic bowl game!!!!

 

[zengator]

Why do you keep saying what he inherited when he’s on his third season? The players we see, the majority of them, are Mac and Nuss recruits not Muschamp… so please stop with the nonsense… most people’s issues with this te am is there is no productivity with the Offense… nobody is saying anything about the defense issues because we know they are young… when your offense is ranked by stats in the 120s that should tell the HC that something is not right… The HC is responsible to get those stats up and if the OC is not doing his job well enough he should be accountable… Both Mac and Nuss just got a raise for what? Nuss’s Offense is still after three seasons pathetic, low scoring, can’t pass the ball past 10 yards downfield,etc………If the OC is not doing his job he should be demoted or fired but since Mac and Nuss are good friends we know this is not going to happen… they best not get another raise unless they win something besides a pathetic bowl game!!!!

Because he inherited an entire offensive unit that was bereft of talent 1 or 2 classes don't fix that, so it's stilla valid concern in year 3. He had 6 offensive lineman when he took this job. Offensive lineman are typically not ready to start in most cases(there are exceptions, those are outliers) until their redshirt sophomore or junior seasons. And frankly, the offense is a legitimate issue, but being all butt hurt about it NOW is unreasonable, let the season play out before you start whining, because right now it's whining, at the end of the season it's voicing valid concerns.

 

[oozie7]

I pointed out exactly why I think it may not be a problem. I am minimizing your concerns because it's too early to have a "fire him" or "this isn't working type of opinion yet" you've at least got to let him finish the damn year. If we're sitting at 9-2 come seasons end, given the situation this dude inherited, and people are calling for his job then at that point gator fans are in fact spoiled and a detriment to the program. If we're 6-5 that's a whole different thing. My point is you have to let it play out. And frankly, the sample size isn't large enough for some of the concerns voiced on this thread.

We have a 3 year sample size. The issue is y'all don't separate the process from the result. But you can't just ignore all the bad symptoms we're seeing. There are plenty of examples of bad coaches that won 10 or 11 games while their program is rotting from the core. So it's not just about the record either good or bad. The question is...is what we're doing sustainable? If it isn't you're just living on borrowed time and it will collapse. We don't even have to go outside of UF to find an example of that.

There isn't one area of this team you can point to where we've progressively improved. Mac's BEST offense is worst than Muschamp's WORST. Recruiting has been subpar up until this class which looks to be turning that around but we'll see if it sticks. The defense as of this moment is significantly worse than what we're accustomed to. We're playing walk-ons due to lack of depth from poor recruiting. And while all that is happening we still get the same boneheaded coaching decisions, weird personnel moves, etc. If we win 9 games in spite of that it doesn't somehow justify that the coaches are doing something right. It just means we won in spite of them and ultimately underachieved what our true potential is. Why? Because what we're doing isn't sustainable.

 

[oozie7]

And the 'wait till the end of the season or it's whining' POV doesn't make any sense either. If you're f*cking up on your job do you think your boss won't correct you up until you crash and burn? Likewise even if you are doing a good job but there are areas for improvement they'll correct you on those areas too. Your point of view isn't realistic in any sense. Nobody needs to wait until something is complete to point out weak areas or express concerns. Hell at that point it doesn't even matter, it's already finished. It's just after the fact reporting.

 

[zengator]

This is different and that's not a valid comparison, he was hired to salvage and absolutely broken situation, this was always a 4-5 year rebuild, not a three year deal. Frankly, he's done fairly well all things considered. This program was on the bring of catastrophe and he's reeled it back in.

 

[zengator]

And you can't say the freaking offense hasn't improved 3 games into the 3rd freaking season given that he's been starting a redshirt freshman for most of it. You do what you want, but I'm going to wait and see how this goes because there is potential for this to be quite an entertaining season.

 

[instaGATOR]

Why do you keep saying what he inherited when he’s on his third season? The players we see, the majority of them, are Mac and Nuss recruits not Muschamp… so please stop with the nonsense…

You seem to not realize that the majority of the 2017 team SHOULD BE Muschamp Jr's, rsJr's, Sr's and rsSr's, not Mc-Nuss Fr and Soph's. The very fact that so many of the starters are Mc-Nuss recruits proves the WHY that you're harping on. So, maybe it's you that should stop with the nonsense...

 

[oozie7]

And you can't say the freaking offense hasn't improved 3 games into the 3rd freaking season given that he's been starting a redshirt freshman for most of it. You do what you want, but I'm going to wait and see how this goes because there is potential for this to be quite an entertaining season.

Uh yea I kinda can say the offense hasn't improved after 3 games because you know...it's ranked worst than last year's. Do you expect significant improvement so much so that we'll be in the top half of offenses or something? We haven't even played the meat of our schedule yet. And the goalposts keep moving apparently. Weren't you just waxing poetic about how he inherited a trainwreck on offense? Well the offense is full of his recruits, now why is it worse than the trainwreck he inherited? Why does it keep getting worse the more his recruits play? You people spin yourselves in circles trying to excuse the obvious.

But I know spoiled Gator fans.

 

[PacoGator19]

The 2014 & 2015 recruiting classes have turned out to be disastrous as far as helping out the 2017 team. Too much attrition and misses in those 2 classes.

 

[bradleygator]

And this is just a tired runaround at this point, but what do you think Mac's record would be in the first two years without the defensive talent Muschamp left? But I agree this stuff will all sort itself out.

 

[oozie7]

2016 class will probably end up being the same. There are 9-10 guys right now who are minimal contributors and have already been passed up. Still early though.

 

[PacoGator19]

2016 class will probably end up being the same. There are 9-10 guys right now who are minimal contributors and have already been passed up. Still early though.

Agreed. We are having to play a lot of kids from that 2016 class though. It's still early.

 

[instaGATOR]

What did the 'professionals' predict that he records would be those first 2 years, compared to what they were?

Did anyone (but me) think that he could win the SECe either year?

 

[oozie7]

Oh that dumb argument again. The same professionals you talk about not knowing anything every off-season? But when it's convenient for you to use them then suddenly we need to compare our record against their predictions. Funny how that works.

 

[oozie7]

Using Insta's logic is a 'professional' picks us to go 4-8 but we go 6-6 instead we should praise the coaching job because we exceeded expectations. I really do wonder how some people walk and breathe at the same time, must be hard.

 

[Michi_Gator]

And you can't say the freaking offense hasn't improved 3 games into the 3rd freaking season given that he's been starting a redshirt freshman for most of it. You do what you want, but I'm going to wait and see how this goes because there is potential for this to be quite an entertaining season.

Ummmm....isn't UGA starting a true freshman backup and had one of the worst OL in the country?

And this defense that is worse than any since probably the pre-Spurrier era is a result of Mac's piss poor recruiting.

As oozie said, the wins are masking deep rooted problems. Funny how Brohm is productive with a bunch of Purdue kids who wouldn't even make our team. And 5 year rebuild my ass, wouldn't take the right hire that long

 

[zengator]

Uh yea I kinda can say the offense hasn't improved after 3 games because you know...it's ranked worst than last year's. Do you expect significant improvement so much so that we'll be in the top half of offenses or something? We haven't even played the meat of our schedule yet. And the goalposts keep moving apparently. Weren't you just waxing poetic about how he inherited a trainwreck on offense? Well the offense is full of his recruits, now why is it worse than the trainwreck he inherited? Why does it keep getting worse the more his recruits play? You people spin yourselves in circles trying to excuse the obvious.

But I know spoiled Gator fans.

With large doses of his sophomore and freshman recruits, that alone should indicate how much of a train wreck he actually. inherited. And stop being emo, no goal post moved, you're just power whining and it felt gratifying to type that. The difference between me and you is that I am not even saying you're wrong, just that we need to let the data continue to accrue before we make a judgement but apparently Mac hit you in your feelings.

PS the offense is ranked where it was last year with Michigan being in the equation this early in the season and UF missing their cupcake opponent, at least honestly interpret things. Actually, do what you want, cry on brother, cry on.

 

[zengator]

Ummmm....isn't UGA starting a true freshman backup and had one of the worst OL in the country?

And this defense that is worse than any since probably the pre-Spurrier era is a result of Mac's piss poor recruiting.

As oozie said, the wins are masking deep rooted problems. Funny how Brohm is productive with a bunch of Purdue kids who wouldn't even make our team. And 5 year rebuild my ass, wouldn't take the right hire that long

Due to the specifics of the rebuild I believe it would. We just have to disagree here. When this team finishes 9-2 or 8-3 (because that's what it's likely to be) are you going to still be calling for dude to get fired? If so you and fans like you are why we're not likely to get the coach you deem good enough.

 

[PacoGator19]

My simple take is the coaching has been poor but so has the recruiting. Some of it is on Coach Mac and some of it is not. The 2014 & 2015 recruiting classes have turned out to be atrocious as far as helping out the 2017 team.

Regardless it will all sort itself out in due time. Either he will be successful or he will get fired. I try not to get too caught up in something I can't control.

 

[oozie7]

With large doses of his sophomore and freshman recruits, that alone should indicate how much of a train wreck he actually. inherited. And stop being emo, no goal post moved, you're just power whining and it felt gratifying to type that. The difference between me and you is that I am not even saying you're wrong, just that we need to let the data continue to accrue before we make a judgement but apparently Mac hit you in your feelings.

PS the offense is ranked where it was last year with Michigan being in the equation this early in the season and UF missing their cupcake opponent, at least honestly interpret things. Actually, do what you want, cry on brother, cry on.

In my feelings? You're the one running around here accusing people of whining while simultaneously whining about what other people are posting. Apparently my posts calling out your strawman about people whining about not winning by enough got you in your feelings. Your whole post is a fail. If Mac inherited the trainwreck you're claiming he inherited then why the hell is it getting worse with HIS players? Logic clearly ain't a strong suit of yours because by your own indirect admission he's doing a worse job than the. You've yet to answer that question because you can't, just cry more about how other people are crying.

P.S....every team Michigan has played has racked up more yards on them than we have. Maybe those other teams all have offenses full of All-American upperclassmen though. Sorry you don't have the cupcake game to inflate numbers so clueless people like you can run around telling everyone the offense is improved. Kinda like the last three years.

 

[46885]

I could actually see it. We have enough talent to beat everybody we play and now maybe found a running game. We just need a qb who can keep defenses off balance a little bit and pick up some first downs and the occasional touchdown. We'd still get smoked by Bama of course.

I knew Malik was gonna be huge for us, but I didn't see him carrying the entire load basically this soon as the workhorse back

No disrespect to you, but I can't stand posts like these. Minimizing people's concerns as if we're all just mad we're not winning by enough so you can all push the 'spoiled Gator fans' narrative. That shit is old. These were the same things said almost word for word when we were barely scrapping by bad teams under Muschamp, then the luck ran out, the program fell apart, and the people calling out all the spoiled UF fans were nowhere to be found. Now here we are with the same thing.

Here's a hint, when you start to focus your energy on the fans its usually because the results on the field can't speak for you. So distract with how the fans expectations are out of whack, as if anybody is expecting championships. How about fixing the damn offense even slightly after 3 years?

I can't even tell you how many times i've been called not a real fan because im not just appeased with the awful offense in year 3.. Then resorted to telling me I didn't go to school there and haven't put any money into the program so Im not a real fan and should shut up since they assume I went to bama and have no money in the program. Which is false, I have many long lines of Bull Gators in the family that played there and been involved in the schools money.. Which still has NOTHING to do with anything and should just accept the worst offense in the conference regardless because it's enough to scrape by teams we always killed even with Muschamp and worse rosters lol.. Our fans are pathetic

 

[PacoGator19]

I knew Malik was gonna be huge for us, but I didn't see him carrying the entire load basically this soon as the workhorse back



I can't even tell you how many times i've been called not a real fan because im not just appeased with the awful offense in year 3.. Then resorted to telling me I didn't go to school there and haven't put any money into the program so Im not a real fan and should shut up since they assume I went to bama and have no money in the program. Which is false, I have many long lines of Bull Gators in the family that played there and been involved in the schools money.. Which still has NOTHING to do with anything and should just accept the worst offense in the conference regardless because it's enough to scrape by teams we always killed even with Muschamp and worse rosters lol.. Our fans are pathetic

What teams did we kill with Muschamp?

 

[oozie7]

I mean AIR FORCE had more offensive success against Michigan than we did. But please tell me more about this 5 year rebuild and how the offense is only ranked bad because they got to play the almighty Michigan.

 

[oozie7]

I can't even tell you how many times i've been called not a real fan because im not just appeased with the awful offense in year 3.. Then resorted to telling me I didn't go to school there and haven't put any money into the program so Im not a real fan and should shut up since they assume I went to bama and have no money in the program. Which is false, I have many long lines of Bull Gators in the family that played there and been involved in the schools money.. Which still has NOTHING to do with anything and should just accept the worst offense in the conference regardless because it's enough to scrape by teams we always killed even with Muschamp and worse rosters lol.. Our fans are pathetic

Same shit, different day. Like I said when the results on the field don't work for you point the blame at the fans and their expectations. These same idiots did the exact same thing for the last regime. "Oh you're just spoiled!" "I'm so sorry we only win games 17-14 and that isn't good enough for you." "Stop whining!" then when they were shown to be wrong they all ran off and disappeared or acted like they saw the problems all along. Legit like politicians. Feed you a line of bullshit and act like you're supposed to eat it all up in the name of fandom.

 

[46885]

This is the issue. I believe in Muschamp's 11-win year, we beat some Division II team at home, appy st. maybe, but we needed a blocked punt at the end to do it. Problem with playing close games is that at some point the luck turns. That's why quite a few of us are still bitching about the past 2 wins. We did some good things to come back in those games, but we also benefited from some craziness that is just not sustainable.

It was UL Lafayette, Mac is 9-1 in one score games or something now... Which means he would be dreadful like Muschamp at this point already

What teams did we kill with Muschamp?

I didn't say we did, and that's why he was fired... but those same fans would tell me to just accept it if it's a win by a point over awful teams...

 

[oozie7]

It's literally no different than Muschamp. Mac has now coached what...30 games? 10 of them have been 1 score games with a good amount of that 10 being cupcakes. So 1/3 of his games are slugfests with bum teams and because we happen to luck into victories all is good, keep enjoying the shit football you see every Saturday. A bounce here or there and the man would have already lost to teams like FAU and Vandy. But we're just spoiled.

 

[sadgator]

Agree with Paco that the situation has a lot of complexity to it and that it is not all on Mac.

Agree with Oozie that the situation, as it is, is not sustainable and very bothersome.

Something has to give one way or the other so that we can see it more clearly.

Really hoping that by the end of the next three weeks we have a better idea and consensus of where we are headed under the current regime.

 

[Michi_Gator]

UGa game could tell a lot. They have recruited very well and if that shows up in that game we will have to really look at things.

The reason I think oozie is right and the sustainability is a concern is because Mac's O is based on an elite defense which we do not have. This offense is not made, and certainly not called, to go put up huge numbers

 

[bradleygator]

Agree with Paco that the situation has a lot of complexity to it and that it is not all on Mac.

Agree with Oozie that the situation, as it is, is not sustainable and very bothersome.

Something has to give one way or the other so that we can see it more clearly.

Really hoping that by the end of the next three weeks we have a better idea and consensus of where we are headed under the current regime.

I think our schedule is tough enough that we're not going to be able to luck our way through all of it. We'll have to play some good football to get back to Atlanta.

 

[oozie7]

Agree with Paco that the situation has a lot of complexity to it and that it is not all on Mac.

Agree with Oozie that the situation, as it is, is not sustainable and very bothersome.

Something has to give one way or the other so that we can see it more clearly.

Really hoping that by the end of the next three weeks we have a better idea and consensus of where we are headed under the current regime.

Well said.

 

[Gator Fever]

UGa game could tell a lot. They have recruited very well and if that shows up in that game we will have to really look at things.

The reason I think oozie is right and the sustainability is a concern is because Mac's O is based on an elite defense which we do not have. This offense is not made, and certainly not called, to go put up huge numbers

I think we wont have too much success against Georgia this season. We were able to run on them last season and our D line destroyed their O line. I think both of those issues for them won't be as big this season after watching them play some. I think it would take some decent passing to beat them and I just don't see that happening. I think we are going to have our hands full even at home with A&M now that their young QB is getting some experience.

 

[zengator]

In my feelings? You're the one running around here accusing people of whining while simultaneously whining about what other people are posting. Apparently my posts calling out your strawman about people whining about not winning by enough got you in your feelings. Your whole post is a fail. If Mac inherited the trainwreck you're claiming he inherited then why the hell is it getting worse with HIS players? Logic clearly ain't a strong suit of yours because by your own indirect admission he's doing a worse job than the. You've yet to answer that question because you can't, just cry more about how other people are crying.

P.S....every team Michigan has played has racked up more yards on them than we have. Maybe those other teams all have offenses full of All-American upperclassmen though. Sorry you don't have the cupcake game to inflate numbers so clueless people like you can run around telling everyone the offense is improved. Kinda like the last three years.

lol yep, definitely in your feelings.

 

[zengator]

For the record, I am not blaming other fans for crap, other than having uninformed knee jerk opinions, to this point I am ok with what's gone on on the field because i understand it. If you're not ok with it you have unreasonable expectations and no idea what you're looking at.

 

[oozie7]

Yep troll confirmed.

 

[instaGATOR]

The usual jerkers are going to continue to circle up and jerk some more. zzzzzzzz