This targets criminal behavior and that you can do. But we're going to have to build more prisons and that will cost a lot of money.
I'm not necessarily against that...just stating the reality.
Do you think the left will be highlighting this latest mass shooting? Hell no.
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This targets criminal behavior and that you can do. But we're going to have to build more prisons and that will cost a lot of money.
I'm not necessarily against that...just stating the reality.
Fantastic. We've found some common ground.
Absolutely not the point. But we shouldn't expect laws to do the things that they aren't capable of doing.
Laws, or even "stricter laws," will not prevent criminals from having or using guns criminally.
Laws will prevent law abiding citizens from doing everything that you don't want them to do. I'm not sure how that solves anything...as they're already abiding the less strict laws we have right now.
If you want to effect change, go after the criminal. I'm all for that.
I wouldn't love this but I could live with it.
Why wouldn't I love it? It's still a desirable personal freedom to hunt (I'm not a big hunter myself) and just shoot in general. I know for a fact that MANY kids spend quality time with their involved parents this way where I live. Getting out in nature and just spend time together.
I enjoy shooting. It's a blast tbh and a release (one of many, lol). I take my wife and kids shooting sometimes and they enjoy it too.
No, we're suggesting that the laws you are proposing will not have the effect that you think they will.
You will eliminate currently lawful behavior. You will not come close to eliminating currently unlawful behavior. And that is your point, right? This won't do that.
Read my post, I'm basically repeating myself.
Laws that make people less safe by making personal defense less accessible or altogether illegal should be modified or abolished.
Laws are designed to create order, structure and encourage a safer society. Taking guns from the law abiding without confiscating them all from the non-law abiding makes society less safe.
On the other hand, drunk driving laws have almost zero downside and clear upside. Yes, criminals and hardcore alcoholics are still going to drive drunk and kill people, but the avg Joe is clearly modifying his behavior based on the deterrent. That's a law that achieves the core mission.
Make sense?
edit: I'd also point out that usually when someone has to resort to absolutes it means they're really struggling to make a point in a debate...very few things in life are so black and white that an all-or-nothing argument is a solid one.
That was my point to @Uniformed_ReRe in the Ukraine thread. I can think of many good uses for that money domestically, versus punting it to a legit crisis actor.
Cain says to get rid of all of those evil guns, because there is an endless supply of rocks that no laws can deter....
Twenty-five years ago, what was then the biggest mass murder in U.S. history (87) turned a New York City dance club into a smoky, flame-filled inferno that left dozens of people dead, some with drinks still clutched in their hands.
>>> Looks like another reason to completely ban all products made from crude oil....
Mexico banned civilian guns, so deaths by knives and machete's skyrocketed.
Japan banned civilian guns, and before long they had to require registration of aluminum baseball bats. (personally, I'd rather be shot than hacked or beat to death) 🙄
God has very long standing laws against evil, but somehow, evil people continue to do evil deeds.
The only way that the elderly in rural settings can protect themselves from the young mean muscle bound bully, or from gang violence, whether it's gun armed or not, is by having a readily available firearm. I choose to address evil directly. So,,, from my cold dead hands..... 🤓
Twenty-five years ago, what was then the biggest mass murder in U.S. history (87) turned a New York City dance club into a smoky, flame-filled inferno that left dozens of people dead, some with drinks still clutched in their hands.
>>> Looks like another reason to completely ban all products made from crude oil....
Mexico banned civilian guns, so deaths by knives and machete's skyrocketed.
Japan banned civilian guns, and before long they had to require registration of aluminum baseball bats. (personally, I'd rather be shot than hacked or beat to death) 🙄
God has very long standing laws against evil, but somehow, evil people continue to do evil deeds.
The only way that the elderly in rural settings can protect themselves from the young mean muscle bound bully, or from gang violence, whether it's gun armed or not, is by having a readily available firearm. I choose to address evil directly. So,,, from my cold dead hands..... 🤓
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Theo is dumber than a red brick. You can talk sense to a red brick all day..it does ZERO good...no matter how good your argument is
Barney Fiife is too stupid to understand his own words...
"They prevent law abiding citizens from participating in behavior that is deemed criminal"
Yes you jackass if we deem owning an assault rifle "criminal" then having a law regulating it would prevent citizens from engaging in that activity
We have laws against owning machine guns...doesn't that REDUCE their use?
You are the stupidiest supposed law enforcement officer in all the land 🤣
BTW - You wanted to know how it would be possible to confiscate guns?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gun-buyback-programs-thousands-firearms-205350066.html
Do gun buyback programs work? Thousands of firearms surrendered in New York in one day.
People across New York state surrendered thousands of firearms in exchange for gift cards over the weekend in what the attorney general's office called a "historic" gun buyback event.
The state hosted nine simultaneous gun buybacks on Saturday, yielding more than 3,000 guns, including 185 "assault rifles," 1,656 handguns and 823 long guns, according to the office of New York Attorney General Letitia James.
"Gun violence has caused so many avoidable tragedies and robbed us of so many innocent New Yorkers," James said in a statement, calling every gun surrendered "a potential tragedy averted."
His hate of guns is irrational. He should hate the criminals using the guns, that's the actual problem that needs addressing. But he's fallen for the fear mongering of the left, sadly.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/almost-expelled-tennessee-rep-gloria-080629282.html
Almost-Expelled Tennessee Rep. Gloria Johnson Rips Apart Huge Pro-Gun ‘Argument’
The Daily Beast
Tue, May 2, 2023 at 4:06 AM EDT·2 min read
“They continually talk about, ‘Oh, well, criminals will get guns anyway.’ We're a law-making body. I mean, why not have that attitude when it comes to robbery [then]? Criminals are just gonna rob people, so why have laws about it? Well, you have laws so people can get consequences,” she says. “To act as if that is some sort of defense is so lazy and disingenuine.”
Almost-Expelled Tennessee Rep. Gloria Johnson Rips Apart Huge Pro-Gun ‘Argument’
The Daily Beast
Tue, May 2, 2023 at 4:06 AM EDT·2 min read
“They continually talk about, ‘Oh, well, criminals will get guns anyway.’ We're a law-making body. I mean, why not have that attitude when it comes to robbery [then]? Criminals are just gonna rob people, so why have laws about it? Well, you have laws so people can get consequences,” she says. “To act as if that is some sort of defense is so lazy and disingenuine.”
Well he’s exited the debate because he had one point, and it was weak AF.
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How does more guns equal less deaths? Do you work for a gun company???
See? It's like he's still here.
Everyone having guns is like belonging to the nuclear club. The more countries that have them, the less likely they'll be deployed. It works exactly the same way.
And how does banning guns result in more guns?
Australia: More Guns Now Than Before Port Arthur
New research from the Australia Institute finds that there are more guns in Australia now than there were before the Port Arthur massacre and introduction of strict gun controls.
And look here....gun deaths are down since they banned guns and the total number of guns increased.
Could this mean that more guns = less gun crime if the right people have them and the wrong people don't?
Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths
In Australia, annual deaths resulting from firearms total... (open to display chart). Armed violence reduction, development, guns and peace.
I think it means when you remove an irrational fear of inanimate objects, the real solution to the real problem becomes obvious.And look here....gun deaths are down since they banned guns and the total number of guns increased.
Could this mean that more guns = less gun crime if the right people have them and the wrong people don't?
Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths
In Australia, annual deaths resulting from firearms total... (open to display chart). Armed violence reduction, development, guns and peace.www.gunpolicy.org
Go YouTube Bongino 60 minutes on this. I have NEVER seen a lib getting out smarted, and downright owned EVER. And he used this exact example when the slow lefty brought it up. I was embarrassed for the lib.And look here....gun deaths are down since they banned guns and the total number of guns increased.
Could this mean that more guns = less gun crime if the right people have them and the wrong people don't?
Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths
In Australia, annual deaths resulting from firearms total... (open to display chart). Armed violence reduction, development, guns and peace.
A small town in Georgia required every head of household to own a gun. In 1982 it was a relatively quiet suburb of Atlanta with a population of about 5,000. Read about the results in this aritcle. Here's a small dip into the issue....
The reality that the Socialist/Communist traitors don't want known...
The reality that the Socialist/Communist traitors don't want known...
- Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 every day. Most often, the gun is never fired, and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.
- Every year, 400,000 life-threatening violent crimes are prevented using firearms.
- 60 percent of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. Forty percent of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.
- Felons report that they avoid entering houses where people are at home because they fear being shot.
- Fewer than 1 percent of firearms are used in the commission of a crime.
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A Georgia Town Once Required All Residents to Own a Gun: The Results Were Astonishing
Kennesaw suburb of Atlanta introduced law in 1982 - Here's what happened - As Joe Biden and the Left continue to go after the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding America... | NEON NETTLE
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Exited the debate? 🤣
And how does banning guns result in more guns?
Australia: More Guns Now Than Before Port Arthur
New research from the Australia Institute finds that there are more guns in Australia now than there were before the Port Arthur massacre and introduction of strict gun controls.australiainstitute.org.au
They banned assault rifles numbnuts...at least get the point you're trying to make right
And look here....gun deaths are down since they banned guns and the total number of guns increased.
Could this mean that more guns = less gun crime if the right people have them and the wrong people don't?
Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths
In Australia, annual deaths resulting from firearms total... (open to display chart). Armed violence reduction, development, guns and peace.
For the dumb witted like fatman lets explain...
Gun ownership has dropped...fewer gun owners
The average number of guns per gun owner has gone up
THAT's why gun deaths are down...FEWER people own guns or are interested in owning a gun
That simple you idiot...YOUR argument is weak AF 🤣
https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opin...es-revealed-25-years-on-from-port-arthur.html
Gun ownership figures revealed 25 years on from Port Arthur massacre
28 April 2021
There has been a significant shift in the country’s gun culture
Australia's response to the Port Arthur massacre should be looked at by the United States as an example, Sydney experts say, while warning against complacency as new figures show people who own guns have bought more.
New University of Sydney figures on gun ownership in Australia:
- Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered firearms, an average of four for each licensed gun owner.
- The proportion of Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48 percent since 1997.
- The proportion of Australian households with a firearm has fallen by 75 percent in recent decades.
- Data indicates that people who already own guns have bought more rather than an increase in new gun owners.
In new figures published yesterday by the university-hosted project GunPolicy.org, Associate Professor Alpers reported: “The proportion of Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48 percent, as each year a smaller segment of the population decide they need a firearm.”
In 1997, the year after the Port Arthur massacre, Australia had 6.52 licensed firearm owners per 100 population. By 2020, that proportion had almost halved, to 3.41 licensed gun owners for every 100 people.
“Although several states and territories still refuse to release their firearm licensing data, we know that today about 868,000 Australians have a current gun licence,” says Associate Professor Alpers.
In 1997, the federal firearm buyback campaign reported that 1.2 million Australians were licensed to possess firearms.
“This doesn’t mean Australians own fewer guns,” he says.
“Government figures show that imports of modern firearms for private owners fluctuate between 65,000 and 116,000 each year. But even after 25 years of importing well over a million new guns since the firearm buybacks, the rate of registered firearms per 100 population has only risen by 1.7 percent.”
In the same period, the country’s population grew by 40 percent, from 18.2 million to 25.5 million.
