Conference titles matter...

[kb851]

...except when they do not.

Signed
Penn State
TCU
Baylor

One of which missed the playoffs because another team won a conference title game.
One of whom missed the playoff to a team they beat, and then followed that up by, get this, winning their conference title game.

Yes...11-2 is a half game worse that 11-1.

Ohio State is a really good team. But in making these decisions, they were not so clearly ahead of Penn State that they deserved this in light of the head to head. Let alone nearly losing to a bad bad Michigan State team, let alone overtime needed to win their other games. Nice win, in September, over Oklahoma.

And no...winning the conference title game and head to head does not automatically mean you are deserving. Florida should not have been a playoff team if they had won over Alabama, nor should VTech.

But Penn State over OSU seemed like a no brainer.

 

[Michi-Gator]

...except when they do not.

Signed
Penn State
TCU
Baylor

One of which missed the playoffs because another team won a conference title game.
One of whom missed the playoff to a team they beat, and then followed that up by, get this, winning their conference title game.

Yes...11-2 is a half game worse that 11-1.

Ohio State is a really good team. But in making these decisions, they were not so clearly ahead of Penn State that they deserved this in light of the head to head. Let alone nearly losing to a bad bad Michigan State team, let alone overtime needed to win their other games. Nice win, in September, over Oklahoma.

And no...winning the conference title game and head to head does not automatically mean you are deserving. Florida should not have been a playoff team if they had won over Alabama, nor should VTech.

But Penn State over OSU seemed like a no brainer.

Get over it. OSU resume MUCH better

 

[SKSnole]

...except when they do not.

Signed
Penn State
TCU
Baylor

One of which missed the playoffs because another team won a conference title game.
One of whom missed the playoff to a team they beat, and then followed that up by, get this, winning their conference title game.

Yes...11-2 is a half game worse that 11-1.

Ohio State is a really good team. But in making these decisions, they were not so clearly ahead of Penn State that they deserved this in light of the head to head. Let alone nearly losing to a bad bad Michigan State team, let alone overtime needed to win their other games. Nice win, in September, over Oklahoma.

And no...winning the conference title game and head to head does not automatically mean you are deserving. Florida should not have been a playoff team if they had won over Alabama, nor should VTech.

But Penn State over OSU seemed like a no brainer.

I tend to agree that PSU should have got in over OSU, but I don't have a huge problem with it. I probably have a bigger issue with Clemson and Washington's rankings than OSU's. Clemson jumps after struggling with #23 yet Washington stays put after beating #8 by 31? There's no logic in that. #1 Alabama #2 Washington #3 OSU #4 Clemson would make more sense to me.

I think both matchups (Bama-Washington and Clemson-OSU) are compelling though and while I think PSU deserved to go, they weren't going to win it so it's not that big of an injustice. I can live with it.

 

[instaGATOR]

As a Gator fan, I certainly don't G's-a-S about:
Penn State
TCU
Baylor

 

[Dannygator1989]

Get over it. OSU resume MUCH better

Just because you're obsessed with Meyer doesn't mean it's not a valid argument.

 

[instaGATOR]

Just because you're obsessed with Meyer doesn't mean it's not a valid argument.

Someone else is obsessed? Even know what obsessed means?
LMFAO --

 

[Michi-Gator]

Just because you're obsessed with Meyer doesn't mean it's not a valid argument.

Win at Oklahoma who destroys Ok St plus wins v Michigan and Wisconsin.

PSU 3 pt win over OSU in a night game at home but beat by Pitt and a 39 point loss to Michigan.

Now add that last year they chose conference champ Mich St over an obviously more talented OSU and what was the result. A game so bad v Bama in the semis it was almost unwatchable

 

[Dannygator1989]

Someone else is obsessed? Even know what obsessed means?
LMFAO --

Yes

 

[instaGATOR]

Yep, always looking for perfection from a committee (cover their azzes) decision. Fruitless waste of time imo.

 

[instaGATOR]

Yes

No... And he's obsessed alright.

 

[R1950]

Just because you're obsessed with Meyer doesn't mean it's not a valid argument.

Sounds to me like you're the one obsessed.

 

[kb851]

Get over it. OSU resume MUCH better

MUCH better?

Really?

MUCH better.

Perhaps a half game better, being 11-1 instead of 11-2. And I guess beating Oklahoma must be MUCH better than beating, Ohio State. Or beating Wisconsin in overtime on the road is MUCH better than beating Wisconsin in a neutral game with the title on the line.

They were close. With that, I go with the champion who also won head to head.

Message board. Sending messages. YOU get over it.

 

[Michi-Gator]

MUCH better?

Really?

MUCH better.

Perhaps a half game better, being 11-1 instead of 11-2. And I guess beating Oklahoma must be MUCH better than beating, Ohio State. Or beating Wisconsin in overtime on the road is MUCH better than beating Wisconsin in a neutral game with the title on the line.

They were close. With that, I go with the champion who also won head to head.

Message board. Sending messages. YOU get over it.

And they put in how many two-loss teams?

And what is Penn St's best road win? Or how do uou defend a 39 point loss. AND as the ximmitwe demonstrated, it was Washington, not OSU in danger of dropping out

 

[kb851]

College football deals with the Gators. Try and address the football stuff. Or, mock the poster then whine about getting your ass handed back to you.

Walk off.

 

[instaGATOR]

MUCH better?

Really?

MUCH better.

Perhaps a half game better, being 11-1 instead of 11-2. And I guess beating Oklahoma must be MUCH better than beating, Ohio State. Or beating Wisconsin in overtime on the road is MUCH better than beating Wisconsin in a neutral game with the title on the line.

They were close. With that, I go with the champion who also won head to head.

Message board. Sending messages. YOU get over it.

Don't G-a-S either way, but ya'll carry on anyway....

 

[kb851]

Wow, I popped in for a few minutes...and hit immediate responses.

Not admirable and a little scary.

Even giving kudos to OSU for being really good but making a fairly benign point about why PSU seems more deserving MUST be met harshly.

Maroons.

But bye.

 

[instaGATOR]

Wow, I popped in for a few minutes...and hit immediate responses.

Not admirable and a little scary.

Even giving kudos to OSU for being really good but making a fairly benign point about why PSU seems more deserving MUST be met harshly.

Maroons.

But bye.

Real good idea. Pop in and then poop-out before the smell can catch up with you.... (and good radiance to you too)

 

[oozie7]

There wasn't any logic in their standings, they went against their own damn criteria to put Ohio St. in. You don't put Ohio St. in period and if you do they damn sure shouldn't have been higher than the 4 seed. The other three teams only have one loss also AND they won their conference championship game. So while those other three teams risked a possible loss and injury playing an extra game Ohio St. was at home sitting on their ass. What kinda message does that send?

Beyond that though idk how on one hand you can argue Ohio St. is clearly a top 4 team but say PSU doesn't deserve to be in. If Ohio St. really is that good then that means PSU has the best win or anybody in consideration. None of the other teams have wins over a top 4 team do they? And then when you add in head-to-head and that they won the division which the committee themselves claim is the best in college football then how are they not deserving? Let's just call a spade a spade. They wanted a blue blood in the playoffs. Because two years ago they left TCU and Baylor out in favor of Ohio St. citing conference championships. The irony of course being that both of them won the conference that year, but split champs wasn't good enough. Now two years later winning no championships is suddenly acceptable. GTFO.

 

[Michi-Gator]

There wasn't any logic in their standings, they went against their own damn criteria to put Ohio St. in. You don't put Ohio St. in period and if you do they damn sure shouldn't have been higher than the 4 seed. The other three teams only have one loss also AND they won their conference championship game. So while those other three teams risked a possible loss and injury playing an extra game Ohio St. was at home sitting on their ass. What kinda message does that send?

Beyond that though idk how on one hand you can argue Ohio St. is clearly a top 4 team but say PSU doesn't deserve to be in. If Ohio St. really is that good then that means PSU has the best win or anybody in consideration. None of the other teams have wins over a top 4 team do they? And then when you add in head-to-head and that they won the division which the committee themselves claim is the best in college football then how are they not deserving? Let's just call a spade a spade. They wanted a blue blood in the playoffs. Because two years ago they left TCU and Baylor out in favor of Ohio St. citing conference championships. The irony of course being that both of them won the conference that year, but split champs wasn't good enough. Now two years later winning no championships is suddenly acceptable. GTFO.

But where do you draw the line. If Florida beats Bama and wins the best conference in the country are they in? They need to get the four best teams in, unfortunately I don'tthink Clemson is even close.

And last year they put in conference champ Michigan St over OSU and while that seemed more "fair" it lead to a terrible kn field product.

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And I just watched the committee member speak and PSU was almost in, but in place of Washington not OSU

 

[oozie7]

But where do you draw the line. If Florida beats Bama and wins the best conference in the country are they in? They need to get the four best teams in, unfortunately I don'tthink Clemson is even close.

And last year they put in conference champ Michigan St over OSU and while that seemed more "fair" it lead to a terrible kn field product.

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And I just watched the committee member speak and PSU was almost in, but in place of Washington not OSU

The line gets drawn in a situation like ours where we beat Bama but with 3 losses we clearly aren't a playoff team. You can't have conference champs and head to head as your top two criteria and then disregard it. If all else is equal head to head and titles should matter. If head to head doesn't count for anything anymore then why play the games? My team can beat yours and if yours looks prettier for the other 11 games the committee can just disregard that because they think your team might be better. That's bullshit. So glad we dropped unbiased computers for this though.

 

[MJWilliamson]

I probably have a bigger issue with Clemson and Washington's rankings than OSU's. Clemson jumps after struggling with #23 yet Washington stays put after beating #8 by 31?

I understand the point. But given they are both in the playoffs, which you seem to agree with, then no harm no foul? Other than maybe Clemson should have to play Alabama first?

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

So if this was an 8 seed playoff, it would have been

1. Bama
2. Clemson
3. Ohio State
4. Washington
5. Penn State
6. Michigan
7. Oklahoma
8. Wisconsin

This doesn't look so bad, and includes the champs from all five P5 conferences, along with 3 decent at-large teams.

Technically, Western Michigan would get in over Wisky, due to the agreement with the non-P5 conferences. I know that would be controversial, but I like the idea of seeing how the top non-P5 team mixes it up with a "blue blood." Houston ended up being a surprise.

Simply put: if you expand to 8 teams, you solve the problems of situations where you've a non-conference champ that seems like the better team, while keeping some value in winning the conference.

 

[46885]

The playoff was easy to call last week no matter what happened, nothing was going to change.. I didn't even think for a second osu wouldn't get put in because of money... and then they said they almost let psu in over a team that went 12-1 and won their conference title over a top ten team by like 30 points? lmfao, the world is no different no matter what the business is. This country just makes itself look more crookish and ironically hypocritical by the second and it's all about money. If ohio state wasn't better than penn state i would be furious about this

 

[SKSnole]

I understand the point. But given they are both in the playoffs, which you seem to agree with, then no harm no foul? Other than maybe Clemson should have to play Alabama first?

Correct. I don't think there's enough difference between Clemson, Washington, and OSU to get too worked up about it.

 

[fsu939913]

I think the ONLY argument that can be made for OSU over PSU is that they played Oklahoma out of conference at OU and won. Penn State also has 2 losses to OSU 1. I do agree that PSU has an argument, they beat OSU and won their conferene but they do have 2 losses instead of 1. I think if OSU had played 4 cupcakes OOC then PSU would have gotten in

 

[SKSnole]

FWIW, Sagarin's final rankings (the BCS one) had Clemson out of the playoff entirely.

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Washington
4. Michigan
5. Clemson

Thought that was interesting.

 

[fsu939913]

The playoff was easy to call last week no matter what happened, nothing was going to change.. I didn't even think for a second osu wouldn't get put in because of money... and then they said they almost let psu in over a team that went 12-1 and won their conference title over a top ten team by like 30 points? lmfao, the world is no different no matter what the business is. This country just makes itself look more crookish and ironically hypocritical by the second and it's all about money. If ohio state wasn't better than penn state i would be furious about this

Egg zachly

 

[fsu939913]

FWIW, Sagarin's final rankings (the BCS one) had Clemson out of the playoff entirely.

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Washington
4. Michigan
5. Clemson

Thought that was interesting.

That is why there is no perfect system. I think the 2 clear teams were Bama and Clemson based off of who they played and winning their conference. Washington played nobody but won their conference and there were no other undefeated teams so they should be 3. The argument should be for the 4th spot between OSU and PSU. How does Mich stay at 4 in these polls losing 2 out of the last 3?

 

[Pepe Nole]

Ohio State got in over Penn State because they are a better TV draw. The Committee had to go out of its way to ignore the head to head loss.

 

[Pepe Nole]

Ohio State got in over Penn State because they are a better TV draw. The Committee had to go out of its way to ignore the head to head loss.

 

[alaskanseminole]

For those upset that Clemson moved up after struggling against Va Tech just look at Washington's OOC vs Clemson's. Goodness.

 

[MJWilliamson]

FWIW, Sagarin's final rankings (the BCS one) had Clemson out of the playoff entirely.

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Washington
4. Michigan
5. Clemson

Thought that was interesting.

Yep. And Massey's rating, which takes over 100 different rankings and polls and calculates an aggregate ranking, then the final four is the same as what the committee selected, but in a slightly different order;

1.Alabama
2.OSU
3.Washington
4.Clemson
5.Michigan

 

[Michi-Gator]

Just imagine the uproar if Fla had one and TWO no -conference champs were in

 

[SKSnole]

That is why there is no perfect system. I think the 2 clear teams were Bama and Clemson based off of who they played and winning their conference. Washington played nobody but won their conference and there were no other undefeated teams so they should be 3. The argument should be for the 4th spot between OSU and PSU. How does Mich stay at 4 in these polls losing 2 out of the last 3?

Clemson's SOS was #34 while Washington's was #41. They both had 4 wins over top 30 teams; Clemson's 4 wins were by an average margin of 6 PPG while Washington's 4 wins were by an average of 26 PPG. Washington's loss was also "better" than Clemson's. Not sure why people keep acting like Clemson has a better resume. It seems like Clemson is just getting some carryover love because they were in it last year.

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

 

[instaGATOR]

So if this was an 8 seed playoff, it would have been

1. Bama
2. Clemson
3. Ohio State
4. Washington
5. Penn State
6. Michigan
7. Oklahoma
8. Wisconsin

This doesn't look so bad, and includes the champs from all five P5 conferences, along with 3 decent at-large teams.

.

Choke-la-homa got slaughtered OoC by tOSU, and they also lost to 2nd Tier Houston, before waltzing through what's left of the fraudulent Big-12/10/whatever. So that proves that Big Game Bob deserves to be in the playoff, if it was 8 teams? Nutts...

W.Mich over the Chokers any day.

 

[46885]

OU does the same thing every year, if Auburn doesn't start that awful QB they could do it again...

 

[fsu939913]

Clemson's SOS was #34 while Washington's was #41. They both had 4 wins over top 30 teams; Clemson's 4 wins were by an average margin of 6 PPG while Washington's 4 wins were by an average of 26 PPG. Washington's loss was also "better" than Clemson's. Not sure why people keep acting like Clemson has a better resume. It seems like Clemson is just getting some carryover love because they were in it last year.

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Clemson having wins over fsu and louisville is why i think their "perception" is better. I agree there might be some bias but clemson also sceduled auburn and south carolina OOC.... Who did washington schedule?

 

[46885]

Venables with a month is gonna be tough for Ohio State, that defense needed rest too as much as any team in the playoffs.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Venables with a month is gonna be tough for Ohio State, that defense needed rest too as much as any team in the playoffs.

Perhaps. But given a few weeks to prepare, no one does it better than Meyer. Well, maybe Saban.

 

[46885]

Venables does as a DC if you think about it over the years, did the most against our 08 team he possibly could have to give them a chance to win, turned Tebow over twice jumping tendencies... last two years dominated in every way his former school. 2011 Fiesta Bowl

he's one of the best