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It was a Dem President, Clinton, that last balanced the budget. You seem to forget that most Pubs love run away defense spending.and foreign wars.
Actually it was a Republican House Speaker that held his feet to the fire and made that happen.

As for wars, Trump is pulling us out of wars left and right and signing peace treaties left and right. Hell he brought Peace in the Middle East and moved our embassy to Jerusalem. Things dem presidents have promised for years, and never did.

And you dems hate him even more. It's the most amazing thing I've ever seen; Trump keeps doing the things that dems claim they have always wanted, and they hate him even more.
 
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Two things.

1.) Congress writes the checks so Clinton balanced the budget because RINO Kasich and Mr. Newt wrote the balanced budget that Clinton RELUCTANTLY signed after Dick Morris told him it was the politically wise move.

2.) Clinton inherited Reagan's economy.
Agree on the first one. On the second point, Clinton did nothing on the economy. What happened in the mid 90s was that eccomerce took off. For the first time in the history of the world, goods were sold online. It was a massive market disruption and it was a massive shot in the arm for the economy. Any president in office from 1994-1999 was going to enjoy a great economy because we had eccomerce for the first time.

Just like any president in office from 2000-2005 was going to deal with the fallout from excessive valuations during 1994-1999 and the inevitable market crash.

Anyone that claims that Clinton is responsible for the economy in the 90s is simply ignorant.
 

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I give Clinton the credit too though.

Economic recovery was slow but sure under Reagan but imo the difference in tax revenue, which allowed for the balanced budget, came from gigantic new market sectors like dotcom's and others. Most were giant, fake as hell balloons of course.
Those dot coms were mainly the result of Reagan's tax policies on R & D and his push for SDI under Darpa. H's recession was small and caused by GW1 hangover and his tax increase. The country was 6 months into recovery when the keys to a fully gassed Ferrari were handed over to Clinton.

Besides his tax increase Clinton left things alone or promoted expanding exports. Credit him for having a mostly hands off approach. But he also gave the chicoms space tech and MFN status. Two things that hurt NSC and our economy today.

He gets little credit in my book for anything he proactively did. He claimed it would be 7 years or more to a balanced budget until Newt dropped it on his desk and Morris said sign it!

Almost all that went good for him was out of passive action and the result of Reagan and H policies that existed before him or Newt forcing him to do the right thing.
 
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Agree on the first one. On the second point, Clinton did nothing on the economy. What happened in the mid 90s was that eccomerce took off. For the first time in the history of the world, goods were sold online. It was a massive market disruption and it was a massive shot in the arm for the economy. Any president in office from 1994-1999 was going to enjoy a great economy because we had eccomerce for the first time.

Just like any president in office from 2000-2005 was going to deal with the fallout from excessive valuations during 1994-1999 and the inevitable market crash.

Anyone that claims that Clinton is responsible for the economy in the 90s is simply ignorant.
I'd agree that Clinton was more of a beneficiary of a good economy rather than the catalyst. Clinton was also instrumental in creating easy credit that eventually crashed the real estate bubble.

“Under Clinton’s Housing and Urban Development (HUD) secretary, Andrew Cuomo, Community Reinvestment Act regulators gave banks higher ratings for home loans made in ‘credit-deprived’ areas. Banks were effectively rewarded for throwing out sound underwriting standards and writing loans to those who were at high risk of defaulting.

I'll personally add that the banking/mortgage industry got their greedy mitts on this as well, easy money and fake collateral. But Clinton was the brain trust for it.
 
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“Under Clinton’s Housing and Urban Development (HUD) secretary, Andrew Cuomo, Community Reinvestment Act regulators gave banks higher ratings for home loans made in ‘credit-deprived’ areas. Banks were effectively rewarded for throwing out sound underwriting standards and writing loans to those who were at high risk of defaulting.
Why am I not surprised. The corrupt in DC are rewarded with more power, because their corruptness allows them to be controlled.
 

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Democrats take the credit for everything and the blame for nothing and the "useful idiots" of the mainstream media aid and abet them.
That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard so far. Anyone who has ever listened to rump knows he is the classic, " If it's good and works out positive he takes the credit and if it's not he will tell you in a heartbeat he had nothing to do with it". he is the biggest fake and liar I have ever heard in a politician and one of the reasons I did not vote for him.
 
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That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard so far. Anyone who has ever listened to rump knows he is the classic, " If it's good and works out positive he takes the credit and if it's not he will tell you in a heartbeat he had nothing to do with it". he is the biggest fake and liar I have ever heard in a politician and one of the reasons I did not vote for him.
Trump has accomplished a lot and he did it in 3.75 years. Your man, "hiden" Biden, has been in Washington for 47 years. Tell us some of his accomplishments.
 
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That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard so far. Anyone who has ever listened to rump knows he is the classic, " If it's good and works out positive he takes the credit and if it's not he will tell you in a heartbeat he had nothing to do with it". he is the biggest fake and liar I have ever heard in a politician and one of the reasons I did not vote for him.
So how did you ever vote democrat, if politicians bragging and lying upset you?
 

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Trump has accomplished a lot and he did it in 3.75 years. Your man, "hiden" Biden, has been in Washington for 47 years. Tell us some of his accomplishments.
I frankly do not know what Biden did. As a V.P. he probably had little to do just like Pence. I sure didn't follow politics years ago. As far as rump is concerned he did most of his damage with the Executive whatever it is. he very rarely brought the Senate into the decision making process. In any case, If Biden should win it will take weeks to reverse what he did, but it will happen
 
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I frankly do not know what Biden did. As a V.P. he probably had little to do just like Pence. I sure didn't follow politics years ago. As far as rump is concerned he did most of his damage with the Executive whatever it is. he very rarely brought the Senate into the decision making process. In any case, If Biden should win it will take weeks to reverse what he did, but it will happen
IOW you admit you are pretty ignorant when it comes to politics (the Executive whateverit is made me cringe) and just don't keep up with it or understand it.

No offense, but you are the prototypical Hiden supporter.
 
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IOW you admit you are pretty ignorant when it comes to politics (the Executive whateverit is made me cringe) and just don't keep up with it or understand it.

No offense, but you are the prototypical Hiden supporter.
[/QUOTET] Thank you oh Mr. know it all. By the way, executive order. I admit I have some short memory problems and I get in the middle of a sentence and forget a word. Should you live to my age I'm guessing you will too. I hope not, it is very frustrating. Just a question for you You act like all Dems are ignorant so if I change my party affiliation next election does that make me less ignorant? Careful now, Don't hurt my feelings.
 
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Raising taxes tends to shrink the economy, ironically reducing the Federal tax revenue sometimes despite the higher rates. You must control the spending. We will never be able to outpace DC's ability to write checks. x1 bazillion if the Dems get their entitlements.

So "some of us" don't like opinions that we don't like...but you guys on the left, you like opinions that you don't like? That's freaking brilliant Jim.

Just by the by, no one is less tolerant of differing opinions than the far left in 2020.
Raising taxes and REGULATION tends more to to shrink the economy. Biden promises his share of regulation. Fazing out Evil Big Oil. A reminder. Biden promises economic stagnation and higher crime rates. This is not hard. This is not classical mechanics.
 

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LOL. So objective. No spending gets approved without cooperation from the WH. We are witnessing that now.

Clinton inherited Bush’s recession.
Nope we were already in recovery when Clinton took office.

Q4 1990 and Q1 1991 were negative and just barely met the definition of recession (2 qrts of neg growth) 1991 q2,q3,q4 were positive. All of 92 the election year was positive.

SO I was actually wrong in saying it was the last 6 months of 92. It was 21 months before Ross for Boss and a tax increase cost H the election to the cigar aficionado who liked human humidors.

A man who never won a majority and won because of 3rd parties.
 
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Ghost you are not a stupid man so don't act like it. there is no difference where politicians are concerned. They are all good at lying
You are wrong there. He is a stupid Bammer. And a T-shirt fan at that.
 
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I'd agree that Clinton was more of a beneficiary of a good economy rather than the catalyst. Clinton was also instrumental in creating easy credit that eventually crashed the real estate bubble.

“Under Clinton’s Housing and Urban Development (HUD) secretary, Andrew Cuomo, Community Reinvestment Act regulators gave banks higher ratings for home loans made in ‘credit-deprived’ areas. Banks were effectively rewarded for throwing out sound underwriting standards and writing loans to those who were at high risk of defaulting.

I'll personally add that the banking/mortgage industry got their greedy mitts on this as well, easy money and fake collateral. But Clinton was the brain trust for it.
Clinton didn’t start the CRA . You guys are clueless.
 

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Clinton didn’t start the CRA . You guys are clueless.
Nope but he did require Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to devote a percentage of their lending to high risk mortgages. Too high of a percentage as it turns out...and THAT is what ended up biting us in the ass.

You either already knew that and chose to be intellectually dishonest or you didn't, and showed yourself to be clueless on the subject. Which scenario is better IYO?

Next he made it much easier for interstate banks to merge which compounded the impact of the bubble bursting...preventing it from being contained and instead allowing an avalanche.

Finally, in 1999, he signed a bill which repealed Glass-Steagall....and everything needed for the housing crisis was in place. Congress was stupid too (what else is new) but your pretending that Clinton was somehow not directly responsible for the housing crisis is downright dishonest or downright dumb as dogsh1t.
 

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Nope but he did require Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to devote a percentage of their lending to high risk mortgages. Too high of a percentage as it turns out...and THAT is what ended up biting us in the ass.

You either already knew that and chose to be intellectually dishonest or you didn't, and showed yourself to be clueless on the subject. Which scenario is better IYO?

Next he made it much easier for interstate banks to merge which compounded the impact of the bubble bursting...preventing it from being contained and instead allowing an avalanche.

Finally, in 1999, he signed a bill which repealed Glass-Steagall....and everything needed for the housing crisis was in place. Congress was stupid too (what else is new) but your pretending that Clinton was somehow not directly responsible for the housing crisis is downright dishonest or downright dumb as dogsh1t.
FNMA and Freddie Mac weren’t the reason for the the mortgage crisis. I can go into more detail if you’ll be willing to listen.

And Glass Steagell are also irrelevant. You’re close, but still off. Do you even know what Glass Steagel was about?
 
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Raising taxes and REGULATION tends more to to shrink the economy. Biden promises his share of regulation. Fazing out Evil Big Oil. A reminder. Biden promises economic stagnation and higher crime rates. This is not hard. This is not classical mechanics.
Derp.
 

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Seems like we had two Pub presidents before Clinton. Blaming Clinton for the CRA is just ignorant.
Clinton weaponized the CRA by requiring Fannie and Freddie to issue a percentage of their loans to high risk applicants and by simplifying interstate bank mergers. If you don’t recognize that, it is you who is ignorant on this subject.

....and Clinton added a bit more fuel with two other changes (minor compared to these two).

Keep spinning if you like, it's entertaining to watch. Sorry BSC, but your boy screwed the pooch with his changes to the CRA and everyone who understands the crisis knows it.
 

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FNMA and Freddie Mac weren’t the reason for the the mortgage crisis. I can go into more detail if you’ll be willing to listen.

And Glass Steagell are also irrelevant. You’re close, but still off. Do you even know what Glass Steagel was about?
LOL, you are FOS friend. You can't BS me on this subject.
 

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And Glass Steagell are also irrelevant. You’re close, but still off. Do you even know what Glass Steagel was about?
The undoing of Glass-Steagel allowed the sh1tshow to spread...much like allowing easier interstate banks mergers. Killing GS allowed institutions to recouple commercial and investment banking.

Have you forgotten how this crisis started? Or are you simply spinning? No reasonably intelligent person who understands these mechanisms and the housing crisis could possibly pretend that Clinton's actions didn't lead directly to the implosion.

...but by all means, spin me a yarn.
 

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Nope we were already in recovery when Clinton took office.

Q4 1990 and Q1 1991 were negative and just barely met the definition of recession (2 qrts of neg growth) 1991 q2,q3,q4 were positive. All of 92 the election year was positive.

SO I was actually wrong in saying it was the last 6 months of 92. It was 21 months before Ross for Boss and a tax increase cost H the election to the cigar aficionado who liked human humidors.

A man who never won a majority and won because of 3rd parties.
After 6 Fed rate hikes, the NASDCAQ crash came in March, 2000. Little G. W. was elected in Nov., 2000. The NY Times naturally blamed G Dub for the recession he inherited.

Clinton was good for the economy but a foreign policy disaster. Clinton listened to his opponents on the economy. Mugabe did the economy his way with a number of Marxist policies. Marxism is not conducive to robust economic growth. Trump's first quarter in office saw a 1.6 GDP growth rate.
 

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After 6 Fed rate hikes, the NASDCAQ crash came in March, 2000. Little G. W. was elected in Nov., 2000. The NY Times naturally blamed G Dub for the recession he inherited.

Clinton was good for the economy but a foreign policy disaster. Clinton listened to his opponents on the economy. Mugabe did the economy his way with a number of Marxist policies. Marxism is not conducive to robust economic growth. Trump's first quarter in office saw a 1.6 GDP growth rate.
LOL yeah bought half the house I could afford in 2000 because rates were 8.5 and I knew a recession was coming due to the Fed...knew it was likely a lay-off could occur...it hit but we both skated ...then 911...still ok but clock ran out on me 4-15-2002...yep got laid off on tax day :) ...no IT jobs in NashVegas...worked retail for a bit until I started my own business...20 years later I am still in the "starter" home...been through 3 recession here...one in my 30s, 40s and now 50s...cant build a nest egg with a lay-off, my wifes 401k taking hits and one crash taking out a $40K+/yr contract with my biggest client. The other 9 contracts that year faded out slowly over several yrs. I let the biz die over time and my last contract ended in 4-2019. I have no desire to continuously hustle for contracts. Then there was the challenges of managing people. It was a small group and I had 2 people die on me. One by an accident ( 35 yrs/old) and the other from cancer (late 50s and her third round) in less than 2 years.

Last yr I ran a non-profit...took 9 moths to figure it out and set it up. It ran for 5 months before covid hit...last event was the SEC tournament.

We worked it the one night and, sold $700 on what should have been a 3K-5K night and raised $240 dollars because of guaranteed minimums. The NPO should have raised 5K or more at that tourney. Beyond my control but as the "CEO" of the non-profit I felt as if I let the group down because I talked up the tourney to the volunteers and everyone was counting on raising the 5K+

Arena shut down the next day and is still not open.

Gloom despair and agony on me... Whoa...if it wernt fur bad luck Id have nun tall

...nah its not been all bad...looks worse in writing but we've put one kid thru private school all 13 yrs and another is in 9th grade and has been there since 5th...not bad for a middle class family...and Mr. Mom with his roller coaster income who has done nada since march.

LOL
 

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LOL, you are FOS friend. You can't BS me on this subject.
Sure I can. The repeal of parts of Glass Steagal, authored by Phil Gramm btw, had little to do with the subprime mortgage crisis. That was brought on by loosening lending standards, the packaging of CMOs by investment banks, the collapse of credit default risk insurance and Poorly rated securities by the major ratings agencies.

What part of allowing commercial banks to pursue investment banking caused the crisis? You realize the repeal is still in place, yet we no longer have a real estate crisis.
 
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The undoing of Glass-Steagel allowed the sh1tshow to spread...much like allowing easier interstate banks mergers. Killing GS allowed institutions to recouple commercial and investment banking.

Have you forgotten how this crisis started? Or are you simply spinning? No reasonably intelligent person who understands these mechanisms and the housing crisis could possibly pretend that Clinton's actions didn't lead directly to the implosion.

...but by all means, spin me a yarn.

See above.
 
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How did this thread go from Hunter's laptop full of photos and videos of underage girls to claiming that Clinton gets credit for the economy in the mid to late 90s?

Lying about the past to avoid the corruption of the present.
 
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How did this thread go from Hunter's laptop,,,,,,,,
Lying about the past to avoid the corruption of the present.
Veering off some more....

The population of America in 1776 was about 2.5 Million.

Having the 13 colonies form a federal government for mutual protection was a very good idea that was needed at that time.

Today, many large cities have more than 2.5 Million in them.
Today, the federal (DC swamp) has long since outlived it's usefulness imo.
It is unmanageable and massive bureaucratic and political corruption rules the day. 🤬

We need to revert to 50 independent states with their own state constitutions.
Then use treaties among the 50 states for mutual protection from the rest of the world. Those treaties would be enforced by all of the other states if any state goes to outside countries in ways that threaten the other American states.
Still one Country, but with 50 truly independent states.
Citizens can vote with their feet on which state constitution that they want to live under.

Funded by a Federal Sales Tax that is voted on by the citizens, not mandated by the corrupt. And any changes to the sales tax rate must be passed by a 2/3's vote of the 50 states population at large, not by any elected representatives.

Oklahoma would be a good new location for the states elected representatives to meet in congress. No WH would be needed, as State Governors would replace it.

Close the UN in NY. Give Bermuda an economic boost by relocating the UN's offices to Bermuda.
Stop being the worlds 'Sugar Daddy' for the UN, the WHO, and NATO.
Every country carries it's own weight. WWII ended 75 years ago.

Voluntary Charity to the Deserving Needy, instead of forced taxation (socialism) for the undeserving that is then mostly bled off into the pockets of the corrupt.

Let the 'New & Improved' IDEAS flow..... ;)
 

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No, I have to vote for someone so since I am a Dem., What difference does it make?
In past elections when we had the well groomed Democrat versus the Rhino Republican I concede the point, your point, i.e., what difference does it make? The choice then was between the lesser of two evils and I usually chose the Rhino because of the more conservative policies.. But then along came Trump. Surprise, surprise, surprise we have a Republican candidate who is not a Rhino. The Washington "swamp" creatures don't like him and if we can get him re-elected they are going to have a meltdown that just won't quit. I can hardly wait.
 
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Right. So basically you vote for the guy/gal with the D next to their name.

They own you. I just don't think that way, I vote issues not parties.
No I vote for the person except in the case of President this year. I had no problem choosing given the Rep no
In past elections when we had the well groomed Democrat versus the Rhino Republican I concede the point, your point, i.e., what difference does it make? The choice then was between the lesser of two evils and I usually chose the Rhino because of the more conservative policies.. But then along came Trump. Surprise, surprise, surprise we have a Republican candidate who is not a Rhino. The Washington "swamp" creatures don't like him and if we can get him re-elected they are going to have a meltdown that just won't quit. I can hardly wait.
noth, understand where you are coming from, I am just hoping that enough voters have had their fill of the Trumpster. Wont be long before we know. I believe this election is going to very close when all is said and done.
 

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