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Bill Cutting/BSC Official Debate Thread

1. 3% GDP was reached in 2018, the same year the Trump tax cuts went into place.
2. Budgets are established by the house and senate and then signed by the president. Trump could have not signed any budget until the budget has been balanced but the “oh my god, the government is shutting down” crowd got their way. You can say the exact same thing for Bush and Obama, both are responsible for the debt increase.
3. Tariffs did work, it got China to sign a phase 1 deal, which helped farmers sell products to China where they actually made money. The Chinese also have an issue with intellectual property theft that desperately needs to be addressed.
4. I have no arguments for entitlements which I will agree that need to be addressed.
1. Nope. Never hit 3 % annual growth, which he said would be easy. Close but no cigar.



2. If you think that Moscow Mitch would submit a budget the president/WH doesn’t approve of, then you haven’t been paying attention. A poor attempt at deflection.

3. More grain, which they needed anyway. And the tariffs hurt our consumers, who have to pay for them. Not to mention other industries. And the Chinese are still stealing our IP. Tariffs don’t work. There are better methods.

4. Good. So you are a protectionist but somewhat fiscally responsible.
 
1. Nope. Never hit 3 % annual growth, which he said would be easy. Close but no cigar.



2. If you think that Moscow Mitch would submit a budget the president/WH doesn’t approve of, then you haven’t been paying attention. A poor attempt at deflection.

3. More grain, which they needed anyway. And the tariffs hurt our consumers, who have to pay for them. Not to mention other industries. And the Chinese are still stealing our IP. Tariffs don’t work. There are better methods.

4. Good. So you are a protectionist but somewhat fiscally responsible.

1. Did you read your article? 2.3% for 2019, 2.9% for 2018. If you want to get picky then ok, I’ll give you the .01%

2. Mitch, like all politicians, is going to do what’s best for Mitch. However, it is the house and senate who make the budget, not just the president. That’s a fact!

3. And what tactics would you use then? Our leaders before Trump didn’t do a damn thing.

4. I’m libertarian, I’d gut the federal government and its bull shit agencies like a fish.
 
Going off of what Biden says, he wants to raise taxes on everyone by eliminating the Trump tax cuts, how will raising taxes benefit an economy that was thriving pre pandemic? With the new income that the government has after the repeal of the tax cuts, how will the Biden pay for eliminating the cost of healthcare, green new deal, eliminating student debt?
Come on @BSC911 it doesn’t take a day in a half to answer simple questions
 
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Come on @BSC911 it doesn’t take a day in a half to answer simple questions

He never wanted any part of this debate, that's why he deflected from your simple questions. Remember he said he needed a day to answer them, then when he came back he instead asked YOU questions instead of answering yours. Then when you didn't answer him in a couple hours, he started calling you out for not wanting to debate.

He never wanted to debate because he knows he can't. His only goal was to try to spin on YOU being the one that didn't want to debate, and as quickly as possible.

Here's how it goes trying to debate any liberal here:

1 - Liberal repeats talking points.

2 - We ask liberals to defend talking points.

3 - Liberals repeat talking points.

4 - We repeat that we got the talking points, now defend them.

5 - Liberals get frustrated, and start with personal attacks.


Attempting to debate a liberal only ends up frustrating you both.
 
He never wanted any part of this debate, that's why he deflected from your simple questions. Remember he said he needed a day to answer them, then when he came back he instead asked YOU questions instead of answering yours. Then when you didn't answer him in a couple hours, he started calling you out for not wanting to debate.

He never wanted to debate because he knows he can't. His only goal was to try to spin on YOU being the one that didn't want to debate, and as quickly as possible.

Here's how it goes trying to debate any liberal here:

1 - Liberal repeats talking points.

2 - We ask liberals to defend talking points.

3 - Liberals repeat talking points.

4 - We repeat that we got the talking points, now defend them.

5 - Liberals get frustrated, and start with personal attacks.


Attempting to debate a liberal only ends up frustrating you both.
I’m not frustrated by any means. I just find it funny how you correctly pinned on him that he tried to spin it as my fault for not responding when it took him a day in a half to respond the first go around.
 
1. Did you read your article? 2.3% for 2019, 2.9% for 2018. If you want to get picky then ok, I’ll give you the .01%

2. Mitch, like all politicians, is going to do what’s best for Mitch. However, it is the house and senate who make the budget, not just the president. That’s a fact!

3. And what tactics would you use then? Our leaders before Trump didn’t do a damn thing.

4. I’m libertarian, I’d gut the federal government and its bull shit agencies like a fish.
1. Glad you finally acknowledge it. Obama‘s also hit 2.9% and Trump called it the worst economy ever.

2. The WH always works with Congress on budgets, since they have veto power. You know this.

3. Fair enough. IMO, Rather than tariffs, they should ban the companies that are stealing the IP, and work in concert with the other G8 countries on sanctions.

4. Trumpers aren’t libertarians., especially if you don’t condemn tariffs are anti immigration and anti Choice. They are populists,


OK. Your turn. New topic.
 
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Going off of what Biden says, he wants to raise taxes on everyone by eliminating the Trump tax cuts, how will raising taxes benefit an economy that was thriving pre pandemic? With the new income that the government has after the repeal of the tax cuts, how will the Biden pay for eliminating the cost of healthcare, green new deal, eliminating student debt?

1. I don’t he should or will raise taxes in a struggling economy. I also don’t think he will raise taxes on “everyone” but am OK with a tax increase on people making over $1M.

2. The rest of this is BS. He’s not for free healthcare or the GND. I’m not sure about student debt but that’s a bad idea as well.
 
I’m not frustrated by any means. I just find it funny how you correctly pinned on him that he tried to spin it as my fault for not responding when it took him a day in a half to respond the first go around.

Of course. He's very insecure about his intelligence, ask @Sunburnt Indian. That's why he had to answer your call for a debate, but couldn't actually debate you, cause that would be a big L for him.
 
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1. I don’t he should or will raise taxes in a struggling economy. I also don’t think he will raise taxes on “everyone” but am OK with a tax increase on people making over $1M.

2. The rest of this is BS. He’s not for free healthcare or the GND. I’m not sure about student debt but that’s a bad idea as well.

1. So you think hiking taxes on the wealthy and redistributing that wealth into new programs such as shutting down fracking and the coal industry in favor of wind mills and solar panels? I thought lunch bucket Joe was for the working man?

2. Let’s be honest, you know damn well, if elected by the EC, that he won’t last a year with his cognitive decline. That means your girl Kamala would take over.

Guess who supports the Green New Deal? On the record nonetheless.

 
1. Glad you finally acknowledge it. Obama‘s also hit 2.9% and Trump called it the worst economy ever.

2. The WH always works with Congress on budgets, since they have veto power. You know this.

3. Fair enough. IMO, Rather than tariffs, they should ban the companies that are stealing the IP, and work in concert with the other G8 countries on sanctions.

4. Trumpers aren’t libertarians., especially if you don’t condemn tariffs are anti immigration and anti Choice. They are populists,


OK. Your turn. New topic.
1. Obama had the slowest recovery due to his failed economic policies.

2. Of course they go hand in hand. I never said it was right that the debt keeps piling up. Both isles deserve the blame, I’m just merely pointing out it has been out of control for a while.

3. Isn’t that what Trump is doing now? Purging Chinese companies from doing business in the US?

4. So I tell you I’m libertarian and then correct me because I support Trump policies? Got it. However no argument about gutting the federal government?
 
The economy actually did pretty well in 2014 and 2015. But it was driven by fracking, which obama desperately fought his entire 8 years.
Obama inserted some Marxist economic policies. Marxist economic policies are not conducive to robust economic activity. Trump deregulated.

Prior to the pandemic, minorities saw the lowest unemployment numbers ever recorded. Beijing Biden promises to see to it minorities don't enjoy such low unemployment numbers again.
 
Obama inserted some Marxist economic policies. Marxist economic policies are not conducive to robust economic activity. Trump deregulated.

Prior to the pandemic, minorities saw the lowest unemployment numbers ever recorded. Beijing Biden promises to see to it minorities don't enjoy such low unemployment numbers again.
so does gubmint and the unions still own GM?
 
1. Obama had the slowest recovery due to his failed economic de

2. Of course they dgo hand in hand. I never said it was right that the debt keeps piling up. Both isles deserve the blame, I’m just merely pointing out it has been out of control for a while.

3. Isn’t that what Trump is doing now? Purging Chinese companies from doing business in the US?

4. So I tell you I’m libertarian and then correct me because I support Trump policies? Got it. However no argument about gutting the federal government?

1. True. I’ll give you partial credit. But it was also due, in part, to the deepest recession since the Great Depression. But I agree he should have cut Corporate taxes and regulations.

2. Agree

3. Not really. Just one that I know of and then he back tracked.

4. Libertarianism sounds cool but there is a reason it never caught on. I claimed to be a libertarian at one point, even campaigned for Ron Paul, but it has too many flaws. I agree It should be the goal, however.

We aren’t too far apart.
 
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Obama inserted some Marxist economic policies. Marxist economic policies are not conducive to robust economic activity. Trump deregulated.

Prior to the pandemic, minorities saw the lowest unemployment numbers ever recorded. Beijing Biden promises to see to it minorities don't enjoy such low unemployment numbers again.
No he didn’t. That absurd. You better stick to simple math equations and stay out of an economic thread. Its over your head.
 
1. So you think hiking taxes on the wealthy and redistributing that wealth into new programs such as shutting down fracking and the coal industry in favor of wind mills and solar panels? I thought lunch bucket Joe was for the working man?

2. Let’s be honest, you know damn well, if elected by the EC, that he won’t last a year with his cognitive decline. That means your girl Kamala would take over.

Guess who supports the Green New Deal? On the record nonetheless.

1. Hiking taxes, no. But pushing back to previous levels, with a small increase to the over $1M wouldn’t hurt the economy one bit, studies show.

2. Fracking is here to stay. That’s just campaign tax. Coal needs to be phased out, however. It’s dirty, dangerous, and unnecessary. Alternative energy is the future, like it or not. We need to continue to move towards that.

3. Biden is on record as NOT supporting the GND. Do some research.

 
1. Hiking taxes, no. But pushing back to previous levels, with a small increase to the over $1M wouldn’t hurt the economy one bit, studies show.

2. Fracking is here to stay. That’s just campaign tax. Coal needs to be phased out, however. It’s dirty, dangerous, and unnecessary. Alternative energy is the future, like it or not. We need to continue to move towards that.

3. Biden is on record as NOT supporting the GND. Do some research.
And Obama was not for gay marriage until it was politically viable for him to get away with it. He lied as he was always for gay marriage but needed to get elected and lay the ground work for it to become a reality. Biden is a liar. He and most dems would pass the GND tomorrow if they thought they could get away with it. It would not be to "save" the environment but as a vehicle for socialism and more centralized control over daily life. The dem parties ultimate goal since 1994 has been one party control of all levers of government and to use gubmint regulations to micromanage the average Americans life. The exceptions being certain perversions and abortion but that's only because it undermines the order of the current society.
 
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And Obama was not for gay marriage until it was politically viable for him to get away with it. He lied as he was always for gay marriage but needed to get elected and lay the ground work for it to become a reality. Biden is a liar. He and most dems would pass the GND tomorrow if they thought they could get away with it. It would not be to "save" the environment but as a vehicle for socialism and more centralized control over daily life. The dem parties ultimate goal since 1994 has been one party control of all levers of government and to use gubmint regulations to micromanage the average Americans life. The exceptions being certain perversions and abortion but that's only because it undermines the order of the current society.
Libertarians and constitutionalit’s should be for gay marriage. It should be outside the Church, however. Personally, I’m for civil unions.

And no, most Dems do not support all of the tenets of the GND. It’s too draconian.
 
1. Hiking taxes, no. But pushing back to previous levels, with a small increase to the over $1M wouldn’t hurt the economy one bit, studies show.

2. Fracking is here to stay. That’s just campaign tax. Coal needs to be phased out, however. It’s dirty, dangerous, and unnecessary. Alternative energy is the future, like it or not. We need to continue to move towards that.

3. Biden is on record as NOT supporting the GND. Do some research.


1. I used to be for taxing the rich until it dawned on me that the rich are the job creators and to demonize a group of successful individuals by raising taxes is absurd. We the people spend our money better than the government does. Hell, look at the ridiculous stimulus bill that’s about to pass.

2. You can’t just turn off industries because they’re dirty and dangerous. You put a danger on your life to drive around, fly in a plane, go on a roller coaster, right? They risk their lives to provide energy. Who are we to tell them what to do or how to earn a living?

This is what drives me nuts about both sides. Both sides need to mind their own ****ing business and stop telling people how to live their lives and let them live their lives. This is why people think we need big government but in reality the Federal government should be pea size intrusion on your basic liberties as written in the constitution.

3. Reading comprehension is not your friend so I’ll reiterate. I said that sleepy Joe will be calling it quits, assuming he actually does take the White House, and Kamala Harris will run the country. She signed on to the green new deal, I never said did.
 
Libertarians and constitutionalit’s should be for gay marriage. It should be outside the Church, however. Personally, I’m for civil unions.

And no, most Dems do not support all of the tenets of the GND. It’s too draconian.
Civil union believing fake Catholic. Making up your own rules. Why don't you abandon your Catholic badge of honor. There are exceptions only in the sense that the Catholic Church will recognize a civil marriage if there was a Dispensation from Form granted by the bishop. If both or either party are Catholic, and a Dispensation from Form was not obtained from the bishop, the marriage would most likely be invalid due to lack of Canonical Form. Did you get that? So, in light of your "Personally, I’m for civil unions" quote, I'd say you need to refine your answer or simply state that you are for homosexual marriage. And what you also stated is that you are okay with "gay marriage" as long as it's done outside of the Church. You're nuts - making up rules day-by-day.
 
Libertarians and constitutionalit’s should be for gay marriage. It should be outside the Church, however. Personally, I’m for civil unions.

And no, most Dems do not support all of the tenets of the GND. It’s too draconian.
Constitutionalist should also recognize the FOUNDING document when determining what is or is not constitutional. We are endowed by our Creator with rights. They do not come form government. Liberty is not an excuse for licentiousness. Since right come from the Creator we do not have rights to things he has condemned or violates his order. No Gay marriage. No Trans acceptance. Male and female he created them.

I am not going to get into civil, ceremonial/dietary and moral law of the Bible but to say that the first two are not for us and latter is still in effect except we can be forgiven and need to be forgiven when break those. So forget comparing eating shrimp to two men playing hide the sausage. The former didn't carry a death sentence and condemn the whole nation to expulsion from the land.
 
1. I used to be for taxing the rich until it dawned on me that the rich are the job creators and to demonize a group of successful individuals by raising taxes is absurd. We the people spend our money better than the government does. Hell, look at the ridiculous stimulus bill that’s about to pass.

2. You can’t just turn off industries because they’re dirty and dangerous. You put a danger on your life to drive around, fly in a plane, go on a roller coaster, right? They risk their lives to provide energy. Who are we to tell them what to do or how to earn a living?

This is what drives me nuts about both sides. Both sides need to mind their own ****ing business and stop telling people how to live their lives and let them live their lives. This is why people think we need big government but in reality the Federal government should be pea size intrusion on your basic liberties as written in the constitution.

3. Reading comprehension is not your friend so I’ll reiterate. I said that sleepy Joe will be calling it quits, assuming he actually does take the White House, and Kamala Harris will run the country. She signed on to the green new deal, I never said did.
1. That’s just something rich people say. Economically, a small increase has little, if any, impact on job creation.

2. Of course they can. The government ha has the ability, and right, to dictate many things. Left unabated, history has shown that every industry would pollute in order to increase their profits.

3. Kamala is not president. Once she is, we can have this discusoon.
 
Constitutionalist should also recognize the FOUNDING document when determining what is or is not constitutional. We are endowed by our Creator with rights. They do not come form government. Liberty is not an excuse for licentiousness. Since right come from the Creator we do not have rights to things he has condemned or violates his order. No Gay marriage. No Trans acceptance. Male and female he created them.

I am not going to get into civil, ceremonial/dietary and moral law of the Bible but to say that the first two are not for us and latter is still in effect except we can be forgiven and need to be forgiven when break those. So forget comparing eating shrimp to two men playing hide the sausage. The former didn't carry a death sentence and condemn the whole nation to expulsion from the land.
We live in a secular society that is bound by human laws, not God’s laws. Otherwise, we’d have to determine which God is the the correct one. Not everyone in our country is a Christian.

So yes, the Government does decide which laws we are to abide by. We are not a Theocracy, like Iran. Of course you are free to personally follow whichever law you choose, as long as it doesn’t conflict with our Nations laws.
 
1. The issue with that thinking is it gives a false sense of security where horrible policies are created from both sides of the isle.

2. This country was founded on civil liberties and no taxes. To say that if you diminish government control over people and property is ridiculous. We’ve seen what cutting regulation does to help an economy.

3. Fair enough
 
@BSC911

What are your thoughts on BLM and racial inequality?
While I empathize with some of their concerns, I am not a fan. They further the racial divide, unfairly characterize the majority of our law enforcement professionals, and seem to want superiority instead of equality. Also do not approve of their Marxist ideology.
 
While I empathize with some of their concerns, I am not a fan. They further the racial divide, unfairly characterize the majority of our law enforcement professionals, and seem to want superiority instead of equality. Also do not approve of their Marxist ideology.
Thoughts on diversity training?
 
1. Nope. Never hit 3 % annual growth, which he said would be easy. Close but no cigar.

He's got 5 years left, and likely will hit it for 2020.

And that's with all of DC fighting him. obama had all of DC bending over backwards for him, and still never got 3% growth.
 
He's got 5 years left, and likely will hit it for 2020.

And that's with all of DC fighting him. obama had all of DC bending over backwards for him, and still never got 3% growth.
Obama had 8 years with virtually zero interest rates. Marxist economic policies are not conducive to robust economic growth. Trump deregulated. Trump's first quarter in office saw a 1.6% GDP growth rate. Prior to the pandemic, minorities saw the lowest unemployment numbers on record.

Beijing Biden promises economic stagnation and higher crime rates.

November saw retail spending off 1.1%. Are people nervous? Jobless claims up.
 
We live in a secular society that is bound by human laws, not God’s laws. Otherwise, we’d have to determine which God is the the correct one. Not everyone in our country is a Christian.

So yes, the Government does decide which laws we are to abide by. We are not a Theocracy, like Iran. Of course you are free to personally follow whichever law you choose, as long as it doesn’t conflict with our Nations laws.
conflate much...the Founders/Framers did not want a theocracy but the foundations of the republic were overwhelmingly Christian.

“Providence has given our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as privilege and interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”
~ John Jay The 1st Chief Justice of SCOTUS, President of the Continental Congress under and one of the 3 main writers of the original COTUS.

So I would say Mr Jay would concur that rights come from God and as such gay marriage and transgender claims on "rights" are not rights under our COTUS.

Really being a Judge on SCOTUS should be a simple job. What would a John Jay, Thomas Jefferson, Madison, Monroe or Adams do? And if people don't like it then amend the constitution. Its hard for a reason. Its to protect us from the licentious acts and transient mores of the day or in other words mob rule.
 
conflate much...the Founders/Framers did not want a theocracy but the foundations of the republic were overwhelmingly Christian.

“Providence has given our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as privilege and interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”
~ John Jay The 1st Chief Justice of SCOTUS, President of the Continental Congress under and one of the 3 main writers of the original COTUS.

So I would say Mr Jay would concur that rights come from God and as such gay marriage and transgender claims on "rights" are not rights under our COTUS.

Really being a Judge on SCOTUS should be a simple job. What would a John Jay, Thomas Jefferson, Madison, Monroe or Adams do? And if people don't like it then amend the constitution. Its hard for a reason. Its to protect us from the licentious acts and transient mores of the day or in other words mob rule.
And one of the other main writers, Jefferson, was a Deist. it has long been established that freedom of religion covers all different religions.

We cant even agree on what “thou shall not kill“ means, What would do with men that “lay” with one another? Death?
 
Obama had 8 years with virtually zero interest rates. Marxist economic policies are not conducive to robust economic growth. Trump deregulated. Trump's first quarter in office saw a 1.6% GDP growth rate. Prior to the pandemic, minorities saw the lowest unemployment numbers on record.

Beijing Biden promises economic stagnation and higher crime rates.

November saw retail spending off 1.1%. Are people nervous? Jobless claims up.
Yet Obama’s growth rates were comparable to Trumps, who also enjoyed low interest rates throughout his Administration. In fact, they’ve never been lower. Also, job growth slowed in Trumps first three years compared to Obama’s last three years.

Keep going. You’ve already shown you don’t understand what Marxism is.
 
1. Did you read your article? 2.3% for 2019, 2.9% for 2018. If you want to get picky then ok, I’ll give you the .01%

After today's announcement that the 3Q was revised upward to 33.4% GDP, we should have 3% growth for 2020.

Just amazing. Take out the hoax flu lockdown and we likely have 10% GDP this year.

Incredible.
 
After today's announcement that the 3Q was revised upward to 33.4% GDP, we should have 3% growth for 2020.

Just amazing. Take out the hoax flu lockdown and we likely have 10% GDP this year.

Incredible.
On top of the historic unemployment numbers across all races. Funny how cutting regulation does wonders for an economy.
 
On top of the historic unemployment numbers across all races. Funny how cutting regulation does wonders for an economy.

Rush has always said he can't understand why the left gets so upset with Trump's Make America Great Again slogan.

It's because they know that Trump has Made America Great Again by UNDOING EVERYTHING obama DID.

That's what they can't stand.
 
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Democrats need the needy and dependent. A national average IQ of 98 helps.

Dems' party line has always been that they take care of the poor.

Critical thinkers have always known that the dems want to KEEP them poor.

The poors are more likely to vote dem. College-educated are not.

This isn't that hard.
 
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