Bama to do 600 million dollars in facility upgrades

[Gator Fever]

http://crimsontidefoundation.org/

Alabama Athletics has a legendary reputation for excellence and championship programs. In order to maintain and build upon this reputation and to ensure the Crimson Tide remains at the forefront of collegiate athletics, Alabama Athletics is embarking on a ten-year, $600 million initiative.

The Crimson Standard: A Capital Initiative for Alabama Athletics will transform our facilities and provide the environment necessary to recruit and train the best student-athletes and position our programs as nationally competitive in the future.

Nearly every facility within the Athletics Department will be enhanced and some will be completely renovated and modernized. Three of the highlights of The Crimson Standard will be Bryant-Denny Stadium, Coleman Coliseum and the Mal M. Moore Athletic Facility.
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They say they have raised 143 million I think. 50 million a year to that for the next 9 years is a lot of money.

 

[sadgator]

Go Louisville.

 

[Swim Gator]

http://crimsontidefoundation.org/

Alabama Athletics has a legendary reputation for excellence and championship programs. In order to maintain and build upon this reputation and to ensure the Crimson Tide remains at the forefront of collegiate athletics, Alabama Athletics is embarking on a ten-year, $600 million initiative.

The Crimson Standard: A Capital Initiative for Alabama Athletics will transform our facilities and provide the environment necessary to recruit and train the best student-athletes and position our programs as nationally competitive in the future.

Nearly every facility within the Athletics Department will be enhanced and some will be completely renovated and modernized. Three of the highlights of The Crimson Standard will be Bryant-Denny Stadium, Coleman Coliseum and the Mal M. Moore Athletic Facility.
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They say they have raised 143 million I think. 50 million a year to that for the next 9 years is a lot of money.

Just for the record, Florida is embarking on a ten year program the equals or exceeds that of Alabama. Scott Strickland is the driving force and you will begin to see more as specific plans are finalized.

 

[sadgator]

Just for the record, Florida is embarking on a ten year program the equals or exceeds that of Alabama. Scott Strickland is the driving force and you will begin to see more as specific plans are finalized.

Honestly, if they’d just paint the block “F” back at midfield, we could pretty much call it a day. It would be the best facility upgrade they could make.

 

[Gator Fever]

Just for the record, Florida is embarking on a ten year program the equals or exceeds that of Alabama. Scott Strickland is the driving force and you will begin to see more as specific plans are finalized.

I will be happy if we just get that football facility built finally.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Gotta spend money to make money. Bama's facilities are already state of the art, but Byrne knows if you're not spending to stay ahead, you're spending to catch up. Bama would rather stay ahead.

Topic for another day, but all these massive amounts of money just make it all the more sillier that the athletes can't get a cut of this.

 

[Gator Fever]

Gotta spend money to make money. Bama's facilities are already state of the art, but Byrne knows if you're not spending to stay ahead, you're spending to catch up. Bama would rather stay ahead.

Topic for another day, but all these massive amounts of money just make it all the more sillier that the athletes can't get a cut of this.

If it was more free market a lot of players wouldn't be getting what they are getting now and a lot of other sports would probably get shut down along with football at some places.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

If it was more free market a lot of players wouldn't be getting what they are getting now and a lot of other sports would probably get shut down along with football at some places.

Most players don't get anything.

 

[oozie7]

If it was more free market a lot of players wouldn't be getting what they are getting now and a lot of other sports would probably get shut down along with football at some places.

If you just take the stipend which is a few grand a year, every single player would get more than that on the open market, even backups. Thing about how much a top backup QB would be worth to contending teams. How much do you think Bama would have paid for Tua for example coming out of HS even when he wasn’t projected to start?

 

[Gator Fever]

If you just take the stipend which is a few grand a year, every single player would get more than that on the open market, even backups. Thing about how much a top backup QB would be worth to contending teams. How much do you think Bama would have paid for Tua for example coming out of HS even when he wasn’t projected to start?

Yep at these top schools but a lot of places are only making money due the popular teams bringing those TV contracts in for the conference and most non Power 5 schools have to schedule games every so often to keep the sports budget afloat.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

If you just take the stipend which is a few grand a year, every single player would get more than that on the open market, even backups. Thing about how much a top backup QB would be worth to contending teams. How much do you think Bama would have paid for Tua for example coming out of HS even when he wasn’t projected to start?

Also, here's another interesting idea.

Let's say Emory Jones starts this year and in 2019, ends up being All-SEC. In 2020, he is projected to be a 1st round pick the following Spring in the NFL draft if he comes out early. What if Florida had the ability to 'pay' him $500,000 to come back for his senior year, and Jones pays that back when he signs his NFL contract. Maybe if Jones has a career-ending injury, he keeps the money.

 

[Gator Fever]

Also in a true free market the majority of college players wouldn't be that valuable and big revenue schools could just hire a lot of more proven pro level skill type guys to represent their schools. It would never be practical to have college football much different than it is now.

 

[oozie7]

If in a hypothetical world schools couldn’t afford to pay most of their players, how could they afford pro level guys? I’ve long said they don’t need to pay players anyway. Let them earn money off their likeness and everybody wins. The top level guys make money off their name and the schools don’t have to pay anything. Simple solution for everybody.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

If in a hypothetical world schools couldn’t afford to pay most of their players, how could they afford pro level guys? I’ve long said they don’t need to pay players anyway. Let them earn money off their likeness and everybody wins. The top level guys make money off their name and the schools don’t have to pay anything. Simple solution for everybody.

You know there will always be lawsuits. Players sitting on the bench will sue saying they could be making money if they were on the field but their coach won't play them. Unfair to let only the 'good' players play and make money. What about the 'bad' players, how do they make money?

You know that would happen. The only way it would work is if everyone gets paid and as soon as that happens the 'poor' schools will sue cause they can't pay so the players won't come there.

Maybe the government can start paying all the players after they give us all free healthcare, free college, free jobs, etc.

 

[oozie7]

That argument would never hold up though.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Flat rate for all players that are true freshman and sophomores. Rate goes up some when they complete 3rd year...just to keep the pressure of turning professional too soon.

What that rate is...no idea but don't start the pay for better players. That will cause too many transfers and law suits.

 

[bradleygator]

You know there will always be lawsuits. Players sitting on the bench will sue saying they could be making money if they were on the field but their coach won't play them. Unfair to let only the 'good' players play and make money. What about the 'bad' players, how do they make money?

You know that would happen. The only way it would work is if everyone gets paid and as soon as that happens the 'poor' schools will sue cause they can't pay so the players won't come there.

Maybe the government can start paying all the players after they give us all free healthcare, free college, free jobs, etc.

If this were any kind of viable legal claim, you'd see it in the NFL, NBA, Olympics, etc... For that matter, you'd see it in college right now, guys saying that they'd get drafted if their coaches played them.

 

[bradleygator]

Maybe the government can start paying all the players after they give us all free healthcare, free college, free jobs, etc.

I take it from this Trump crib note that you're a champion free-marketeer, like him (except for trade and immigration). How then do you justify not paying players for skills and likenesses that are worth literal billions, enough to build their school a $600 million practice facility and pay their coach $10 million a year.

The only way to justify it is along the lines of Fever's argument, that if you paid the guys who are worth it, there wouldn't be money left to subsidize the non-marketable players and programs. But that's pretty inconsistent with the free market concept.

Edit: I see now that Matches acknowledged it’s silly not to pay the players.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Edit: I see now that Matches acknowledged it’s silly not to pay the players.

Good job.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

If this were any kind of viable legal claim, you'd see it in the NFL, NBA, Olympics, etc... For that matter, you'd see it in college right now, guys saying that they'd get drafted if their coaches played them.

Unfortunately, in the current hyper-political climate of this country and with all the activist judges, you don't need a viable legal claim. All you need is the right judge to hear the case. And don't forget that all these schools, even Alabama and Florida, are filled with academics that cannot stand the fact that their football coach makes millions. If a movement is made to pay players, academics and activist judges will happily fight it at every turn.

Again, I agree with paying players, it would eliminate a lot of cheating and really hurt programs that cheat now. Just saying that there's many reasons why it hasn't been done so far, and may never be.

 

[bradleygator]

Unfortunately, in the current hyper-political climate of this country and with all the activist judges, you don't need a viable legal claim. All you need is the right judge to hear the case. And don't forget that all these schools, even Alabama and Florida, are filled with academics that cannot stand the fact that their football coach makes millions. If a movement is made to pay players, academics and activist judges will happily fight it at every turn.

Again, I agree with paying players, it would eliminate a lot of cheating and really hurt programs that cheat now. Just saying that there's many reasons why it hasn't been done so far, and may never be.

The NCAA's "amateurism" fraud will end in the courts. It's blatant robbery. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already, actually. I'm sure the NCAA has political protection that would boggle the mind.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

The NCAA's "amateurism" fraud will end in the courts. It's blatant robbery. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already, actually. I'm sure the NCAA has political protection that would boggle the mind.

The inevitable move is for the Power 5 conferences to simply leave the NCAA. Then the 'have nots' can compete for an NCAA title, and the Power 5 conferences can have their own champ and negotiate their own broadcast deals with networks and get far more money.

 

[instaGATOR]

The traditional southern 'phootball factory' is finally branching out...
I hope that this doesn't cut to badly into their cash on hand recruiting funds...

Bama trying to play catch-up to UF's Top 10 All Sports Athletics Programs.

 

[Gator Fever]

I take it from this Trump crib note that you're a champion free-marketeer, like him (except for trade and immigration). How then do you justify not paying players for skills and likenesses that are worth literal billions, enough to build their school a $600 million practice facility and pay their coach $10 million a year.

The only way to justify it is along the lines of Fever's argument, that if you paid the guys who are worth it, there wouldn't be money left to subsidize the non-marketable players and programs. But that's pretty inconsistent with the free market concept.

Edit: I see now that Matches acknowledged it’s silly not to pay the players.

Yep most of those players wouldn't even be able to start in the CFL making 60 grand a year with their skill level.

My guess is for the vast majority of players their tuition, room and board and everything else they get is worth more than their market value as a pro athlete.

 

[bradleygator]

Yep most of those players wouldn't even be able to start in the CFL making 60 grand a year with their skill level.

It's funny that most people arguing about this skip right over this very obvious point. For probably 98 percent of the players playing football and basketball (forget about the non-revenue sports), the contract they would get in a free market wouldn't come close to the value of their scholarship. For this reason, I actually think the current system is overwhelmingly fair. The problem is that, for a relatively small percentage of very skilled, very marketable players, the current system is blatant robbery. One of those guys is going to sue and that's going to be a wrap.

It's also funny that, for this particular debate, liberals (for instance Deadspin) tend to be on the side of the players getting paid, while conservatives seem to favor the status quo.

 

[bradleygator]

The inevitable move is for the Power 5 conferences to simply leave the NCAA. Then the 'have nots' can compete for an NCAA title, and the Power 5 conferences can have their own champ and negotiate their own broadcast deals with networks and get far more money.

I agree that's an obvious move. I think the tv and network deals kind of woke these conferences up to the fact that they don't need to be subsidizing the NCAA.

I don't know if that gets the players any closer to sharing in the wealth, though. Probably the extra money the conferences would generate by cutting the rest of the NCAA loose would get big and stupid enough that "amateurism" would get unsustainable.

 

[instaGATOR]

Note: In a true free market, all of the HS players are already FREE to go get a job anywhere that is willing to hire them.

IF THEY FREELY CHOOSE to come and take advantage of a University, then they do so under the contract that they agree to before being allowed on campus.

If they want to be able to dictate the terms of employment and their own wages, then they should run for the U.S. Congress instead....

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Here's the video showing what the renovations to Bryant-Denny and Coleman Coliseum will look like. The upgrades to Coleman are just gorgeous and long-overdue.

Saban donated $1 Million. Don't think he and Ms Terry are going anywhere.

 

[instaGATOR]

G-a-S about what the Red-Turds do in an effort to catch up to UF's Privately funded (UAA) All Sports Programs.

 

[gatorbuilderorlando]

It's funny that most people arguing about this skip right over this very obvious point. For probably 98 percent of the players playing football and basketball (forget about the non-revenue sports), the contract they would get in a free market wouldn't come close to the value of their scholarship. For this reason, I actually think the current system is overwhelmingly fair. The problem is that, for a relatively small percentage of very skilled, very marketable players, the current system is blatant robbery. One of those guys is going to sue and that's going to be a wrap.

It's also funny that, for this particular debate, liberals (for instance Deadspin) tend to be on the side of the players getting paid, while conservatives seem to favor the status quo.

That's about right imo. Whenever the one side says the players aren't paid, they should specify they aren't paid cash. They are compensated.

Now if you want to argue they should be paid more, and some of that "more" should be cash - that'd be a more honest position.

 

[bradleygator]

Note: In a true free market, all of the HS players are already FREE to go get a job anywhere that is willing to hire them.

IF THEY FREELY CHOOSE to come and take advantage of a University, then they do so under the contract that they agree to before being allowed on campus.

If they want to be able to dictate the terms of employment and their own wages, then they should run for the U.S. Congress instead....

This argument might work in court, so long as the jury is all 6 year olds. No NFL prospect has free choice about where to prepare to play pro football. The NCAA has an effective monopoly on the facilities and coaching necessary to prepare a high school kid for the NFL. The letters of intent are contracts of adhesion. They’re presented take it or leave it, and the players don’t have any choice but to sign them with someone.

 

[sadgator]

Can we cheer on Wake Forest instead?

Can’t we do both?

 

[instaGATOR]

This argument might work in court, so long as the jury is all 6 year olds. No NFL prospect has free choice about where to prepare to play pro football. The NCAA has an effective monopoly on the facilities and coaching necessary to prepare a high school kid for the NFL. The letters of intent are contracts of adhesion. They’re presented take it or leave it, and the players don’t have any choice but to sign them with someone.

Only a moronic progressive liberal socialist would buy that kind of badlygator crap.

They are free to chose their path and job. If they don't like the deal, then do something else in life, like go be rocket scientists or brain surgeons...

Let's say that I want to be a jet fighter pilot. So the military is the only place that can train me for that job. Can I dictate to them how that has got to go, or happen, or do I have to play by their long established rules to get there, IF I'm able to meet all of their qualifications and pass all of their tests? ---- Jus-damn,,, but you're an idiot...

 

[bradleygator]

Only a moronic progressive liberal socialist would buy that kind of badlygator crap.

They are free to chose their path and job. If they don't like the deal, then do something else in life, like go be rocket scientists or brain surgeons...

Let's say that I want to be a jet fighter pilot. So the military is the only place that can train me for that job. Can I dictate to them how that has got to go, or happen, or do I have to play by their long established rules to get there, IF I'm able to meet all of their qualifications and pass all of their tests? ---- Jus-damn,,, but you're an idiot...

Right because the military and college athletics are very similar and ideal for comparison. Again... your best bet is six-year-olds on the jury.

 

[instaGATOR]

Well, they aren't getting paid in up front cash yet are they?
(showing that they don't agree with your position)

Nor will they ever, unless some Hillary type (you) is ever put in charge....

The funny thing is, most 6 year old's are not as clueless as you are , about most things.

 

[oozie7]

Only a moronic progressive liberal socialist would buy that kind of badlygator crap.

They are free to chose their path and job. If they don't like the deal, then do something else in life, like go be rocket scientists or brain surgeons...

Let's say that I want to be a jet fighter pilot. So the military is the only place that can train me for that job. Can I dictate to them how that has got to go, or happen, or do I have to play by their long established rules to get there, IF I'm able to meet all of their qualifications and pass all of their tests? ---- Jus-damn,,, but you're an idiot...

Aren’t you the dummy who just tried to claim it was a free market? It took you all of one post to admit, whether you know it or not, that CFB was a monopoly. Therefore trying to apply free market principles to the discussion is pure stupidity. Then again...you think 1st amendment rights apply to what you do or don’t get to post on a message board, so you’ve never shown to be all that bright anyway. You love to use terms you don’t understand. Sit this one out and let people with brains contribute to the discussion.

 

[instaGATOR]

Ignored gay stalker ooozzziieee begs for some attention, like his little kissin' cousin dunny-goater. Sorry, but this all I have for you, so you'll have to return to swinging on dunnys jock strap...

 

[oozie7]

And yet you read every word I typed. So if I crave your attention you damn sure can’t help but give it to me. Dummy.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

And yet you read every word I typed.

Insta is the most prolific poster here and half his posts are him claiming that a poster isn't worth paying attention to.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Sorry but no can do. Dislike of Louisville athletics is too deeply engrained for me. Only if they were playing Tennessee would I remotely consider rooting for them.

A lot of UK fans, myself included, are hoping for the Tide to lay a serious beat down of the Cardinals.

Consider it done. Saban has always had Petrino's number.