Bad news, nolec, I think people have had enough of wearing worthless masks

[gator1776]

Do you disagree that the primary stated cause of death on a death certificate is incorrect if it states covid as cause and lists comorbidities? Bunked is the idea that comorbidities negate primary. What is your take on that?

It depends on what your argument is. If your argument is comorbidities have nothing to do with the people that die from coronavirus then you’re wrong. They have everything to do with the people to Dave’s run of hours. But if your argument is that insanely stupid one that @GhostOfMatchesMalone keeps trying to make it his obtuse way, that if you had a comorbidity at all then you didn’t have coronavirus, and that’s equally wrong.

so let’s try and be very clear about this. If you’re a healthy human being under the age of 50 with no comorbidities you are extremely unlikely to die from coronavirus, likely a mortality rate of 0.01% in that group.

If you’re above 50 with no Comorbidities then you’re equally still I’m likely to die from coronavirus but the mortality rates probably closer to 0.4 or 0.5%. Problem is there are very few people in America over the age of 50 they don’t have some comorbidity.

but if you’re over the age of 50 and have several comorbidities that you’re much more likely to die from coronavirus.

so in the end your comorbidities are very important to your risk of dying from coronavirus, which overall is probably below 1% given all takers, and comorbidities are extremely important in the risk of dying, but you’re still dying from coronavirus.

I hope that clarifies it for everybody. Both sides of the argument or wrong.

 

[Nolec]

It depends on what your argument is. If your argument is comorbidities have nothing to do with the people that die from coronavirus then you’re wrong. They have everything to do with the people to Dave’s run of hours. But if your argument is that insanely stupid one that @GhostOfMatchesMalone keeps trying to make it his obtuse way, that if you had a comorbidity at all then you didn’t have coronavirus, and that’s equally wrong.

so let’s try and be very clear about this. If you’re a healthy human being under the age of 50 with no comorbidities you are extremely unlikely to die from coronavirus, likely a mortality rate of 0.01% in that group.

If you’re above 50 with no Comorbidities then you’re equally still I’m likely to die from coronavirus but the mortality rates probably closer to 0.4 or 0.5%. Problem is there are very few people in America over the age of 50 they don’t have some comorbidity.

but if you’re over the age of 50 and have several comorbidities that you’re much more likely to die from coronavirus.

so in the end your comorbidities are very important to your risk of dying from coronavirus, which overall is probably below 1% given all takers, and comorbidities are extremely important in the risk of dying, but you’re still dying from coronavirus.

I hope that clarifies it for everybody. Both sides of the argument or wrong.

Thank you. You put that more clearly than I. Question: I don't believe that they list race/ethnic origin as comorbidities for a covid death though it seems there's much greater risk factors for some people. To your knowledge, am I incorrect in that?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Do you disagree that the primary stated cause of death on a death certificate is incorrect if it states covid as cause and lists comorbidities? Bunked is the idea that comorbidities negate primary. What is your take on that?

Good lord you guys are still confused about this?

6% died FROM covid. They had NO pre-existing conditions.

94% died WITH covid. They DID have pre-existing conditions.

Goodness.

 

[Nolec]

Good lord you guys are still confused about this?

6% died FROM covid. They had NO pre-existing conditions.

94% died WITH covid. They DID have pre-existing conditions.

Goodness.

What 1776 just told you was that the pre-existing condition did NOT kill them, covid did. Most Americans over 50 have comorbidities. That does not mean they will actually die from those. Again, if you die in an auto accident and had high blood pressure, the wreck killed you. You may have lived many years and never have died from the comorbidity, hypertension.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

What 1776 just told you was that the pre-existing condition did NOT kill them, covid did. Most Americans over 50 have comorbidities. That does not mean they will actually die from those. Again, if you die in an auto accident and had high blood pressure, the wreck killed you. You may have lived many years and never have died from the comorbidity, hypertension.

So you guys still don't know the difference between dying FROM covid and dying WITH it.

Completely different things. SMDH

 

[Nolec]

So you guys still don't know the difference between dying FROM covid and dying WITH it.

Completely different things. SMDH

Worldometer says about 239,000 Americans have died from covid thus far. I've never seen any stats describing how many fatalities happened with covid. Got a link?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Worldometer says about 239,000 Americans have died from covid thus far. I've never seen any stats describing how many fatalities happened with covid. Got a link?

It's on the CDC site. I have linked to it before, even quoted the site for you. You ignored it.

It clearly explained that only 6% died FROM covid. The remaining 94% died WITH it.

You have never understood what that means. It means when you say 239k people have died FROM covid, you are wrong. Your 'doctor' buddy didn't know why that was relevant either.

Critical thinkers knew immediately. Sheep never question.

 

[Nolec]

It's on the CDC site. I have linked to it before, even quoted the site for you. You ignored it.

It clearly explained that only 6% died FROM covid. The remaining 94% died WITH it.

You have never understood what that means. It means when you say 239k people have died FROM covid, you are wrong. Your 'doctor' buddy didn't know why that was relevant either.

Critical thinkers knew immediately. Sheep never question.

Find any intelligent thinker to explain it to you since you have no clue. Perhaps your choice to remain ignorant actually speaks to your honesty as much as a lack of intelligence. I have to guess that there is no way you graduated from UF with this lack of basic understanding.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Find any intelligent thinker to explain it to you since you have no clue. Perhaps your choice to remain ignorant actually speaks to your honesty as much as a lack of intelligence. I have to guess that there is no way you graduated from UF with this lack of basic understanding.

Funny thing is, I got BOTH of you to tell me I was wrong, when I verbatim quoted the CDC website. That's how insane the sheep are.

 

[Nolec]

Funny thing is, I got BOTH of you to tell me I was wrong, when I verbatim quoted the CDC website. That's how insane the sheep are.

Funny about words, they have meaning. It's simply that you do not understand them. Your take on the CDC data is 100% incorrect. You see what they said, but fail to grasp the meaning, that's why I told you to get someone to help you. We've explained it to you but can't learn it for you. You had the similar inability with the Broward Co. mask mandate. Telling.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Funny about words, they have meaning. It's simply that you do not understand them. Your take on the CDC data is 100% incorrect.

I didn't give a take, I simply cut and paste the exact copy from the website.

No added commentary. I still had two people tell me *I* was wrong and that the CDC was right.

I learned a long time ago that you cannot argue with emotional sheep and they run from facts and truth like Dracula from the Cross.

 

[gator1776]

What 1776 just told you was that the pre-existing condition did NOT kill them, covid did. Most Americans over 50 have comorbidities. That does not mean they will actually die from those. Again, if you die in an auto accident and had high blood pressure, the wreck killed you. You may have lived many years and never have died from the comorbidity, hypertension.

Trust me on this, his ignorance and narcissism will not let him concede this point matter how well you explain it to him. Just let it go.

for kicks and giggles though, the correct way to explain it is 6% died from Covid with no comorbidities, 94% died with Covid and comorbidities. The vast majority of both groups, probably about 97% in total died because of Covid with a small percentage that died for other issues that happen to have tested positive for Covid but may not have been infected.

 

[Nolec]

Trust me on this, his ignorance and narcissism will not let him concede this point matter how well you explain it to him. Just let it go.

for kicks and giggles though, the correct way to explain it is 6% died from Covid with no comorbidities, 94% died with Covid and comorbidities. The vast majority of both groups, probably about 97% in total died because of Covid with a small percentage that died for other issues that happen to have tested positive for Covid but may not have been infected.

Good advice. There is none so ignorant as those who choose to be so.

 

[gator1776]

Good advice. There is none so ignorant as those who choose to be so.

Indeed. But please remember that and always keep an open mind nobody has a monopoly on truth. Coronavirus is not a horrible pandemic they’re making it out to be although it is a real pandemic and something to be taken seriously.