AZ forensic audit
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Watching the audit presentation now, Dr Shiva is making a pretty compelling case for the cheating. They found a massive spike in both 'bad signatures' and duplicate ballots among early mall in ballots AFTER Election Day.
@kalimgoodman got hoodwinked.
@kalimgoodman got hoodwinked.
Nothing to see here, move along. Right Kalim?
Nothing to see here, move along. Right Kalim?
Unrelated note: After reading this thread, I am no longer convinced that @kalimgoodman is really an independent voter. I suspect he's really a democrat.
At this point, it doesn't even really matter. Biden has already let in across our southern border millions of Democratic Votes. And you can be sure that they are shipping them to all the swing states with mail in ballots already in hand.Nothing to see here, move along. Right Kalim?
Yep, this is why we have to rally together and beat these dirty dems where it counts.....at the ballot box in 2022!!!!
RIght, @grandhavendiddy?
Refugees, sir, are not criminals. There is a legal process for claiming refugee status, as allowed under US law. You, however, believe them all to be criminals, which is sad.
Millions? LOL. You need to turn off right wing scare media if that is what they are telling you.
In fact, Biden is being criticized for sending plane loads of Haitian refugees back to Haiti. Your media must not be reporting that.
You are an idiot. ILLEGAL immigrants ARE criminals.
Do not pass go, do NOT collect 200 Biden bucks.
You are an idiot.
😂
I'll add: The Chinese currency devalued Election night. Trump won. Las Vegas turned odds to Trump. Trump won. Early, early on Nov. 4 the hanky panky began in 5 states.
Trump upped his vote total from 63 million in 2016 to 74 million in 2020. The Dimms had to work hard to harvest enough Biden marked ballots to overcome Trump's incumbent vote record.
No one with a single vial of valid cerebral fluid believes the Potato got 81 million votes. None.
Hardcore, angry, textbook liberal.
He actually found 35k votes from 17k voters - so ~17k duplicate votes.
With all due respect back to you sir. We have one stupid mofo on here.
We have the video of Maricopa County officials who changed the data logs. Seems crimey.
No wonder we never got the machines, routers or other hardware.
No wonder we never got the machines, routers or other hardware.
We have a thread dedicated to him. (Even though he started it). Feel free to chime in. 😂 😂 😂 (please note the sarcasm)
I'm not going to play silly buggers with you. I am a 25 year CPA, and your implication that I don't understand audits and auditing is just silly.
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about here, I don’t care how much experience you have.
They counted the ballots they had. The compared that to the machines. All this means is both matched, meaning the machines didn’t change the count. That doesn’t mean the ballots that were counted were legitimate.
The only person this is bad news for is perhaps Sidney Powell. It’s otherwise just confirmation that the specific mode of fraud accused didn’t exist - that isn’t the same as “there was no fraud”. And it’s clear from today there was.
Are they not breaking our laws of immigration?
In addition to duplicates you have ballots where the approved stamp on the front (supposed to only be applied after review) was pre printed. Odd.
I’m 25 years of experience how would you rule on this?
Yeah, no he didn't. If you actually read the article you posted you will see that every accusation is easily dismissed and frankly laughable.In addition to duplicates you have ballots where the approved stamp on the front (supposed to only be applied after review) was pre printed. Odd.
I’m 25 years of experience how would you rule on this?
Don't let him hoodwink you. In a real "audit", if you find evidence of fraud, you expand your sample search. You expand it until the evidence of fraud becomes statistically insignificant. There's been no expansion of the audit to a larger sample size nor more counties that I'm aware of. Also a forensic audit is more than just "recounting" votes. They need to be sourced back to the voter rolls, matched to signature as well. Checked for duplicate votes, and I am not keeping score, but apparently a lot of people with the same name have been sourced with multiple votes. This shit gives me a headache. Let me know when it's over. lolIn addition to duplicates you have ballots where the approved stamp on the front (supposed to only be applied after review) was pre printed. Odd.
I’m 25 years of experience how would you rule on this?
There’s a an approved and verified stamp on an envelope with no signature.
Another example the stamp is behind the printed parts of the envelope.
What am I missing?
If that were true (and it isn't) then the correct term would be statistically significant. But nothing done in an audit is based on "statistical significance". Do you not know how materiality works?
In a fiscal audit, fraud is management's responsibility. The fraud standard is that fraud is an intentional misstatement that is material in nature. Since the audit tests for materiality, part of your test is for fraud. And if you find material misstatement it changes your opinion. But you don't increase sample size. You increase sample size if the assessed level of risk in the audit is higher than your preliminary risk assessment, it's not based on findings. Remember, you are only giving reasonable assurance, not a guarantee.
Now, if an audit test reveals some anomalies that might be fraud at an immaterial level, that would be part of the report to the board. But the auditor does not "go digging". A fiscal audit is not an investigative audit.
Interesting that the first time I clicked the link it was an entirely different article, one with Maricopa responses to accusations. When I clicked it again, it was this signature thing.
In any event, you are missing two things;
The first is photo.
The second is shop.
So Dr. Shiva altered evidence in his presentation to the AZ Senate?
Tell me more.
Kalim - I happen to agree with Ghost here. You were, appropriately, say, "let's see what the results said." They came out, and a clearly partisan audit firm, came up with an almost identical answer. For me, that is a very good thing. We had, from a voting perspective, a fair election.
The question is what is happening with extra-legal immigration
It happens, it appears, that massive scale fraud did not take place in 2020. That is a good thing.
The key point is that it could have. We have 100,000s of illegal immigrants coming through our borders and not through legal ports of entry. If we are not going to enforce the border, how are we going to enforce voting procedures? That is a legitimate concern.
Now, I happen to believe that most are not criminals but just want a better life.
The problem is what do they expect when they come to the US. If they just want a permanent work visa for them and their kids - perhaps, we can support that but know that this comes against working class people who otherwise would see their wages raised. What are the individual worker supply shortages that need to be filled. And, if we fill it, will we then turn around and speak to "income disparities" in brown communities versus others (Asian, White, etc.).
If in turn, they (and longer term, their children) want to participate in the social programs, then that comes at a cost to each individual taxpayer. Assuming we cannot run unlimited debts (new Monetarists), then paying for these programs comes in the form of higher taxes. At first it is the Billionaires, then the Millionaires, then $400K/year and then to Sweden which is 60% of their income at $70K or higher.
It also comes to increased competition to current US citizens at things like executive positions, college admission, board seats.
One may say, well, that is "racist" and is coming at the expense of whites. I think you have to look no further at Stuyvesant High School in NYC, a high-performance magnet school in the US.
www.schooldigger.com
In 1989, there were over 200 black americans. Now there are 20. Why? Whites dropped by half in the same period of time. The reason: Asians doubled.
To that end and to BSC911, immigration is not some small number or a "rounding error" of population change. It is not small, and the broad proportion is from Mexico.
www.pewresearch.org
From a DEI perspective, why should one country make up 25% of our intake?
So, Ghost, the focus must be on the Border and passing Voting laws with proper ID systems. We are a nation of laws which need to be enforced.
The question is what is happening with extra-legal immigration
Ghost - Demographic change, driven through relaxed / open borders is what is driving what we see in our politics.
It happens, it appears, that massive scale fraud did not take place in 2020. That is a good thing.
The key point is that it could have. We have 100,000s of illegal immigrants coming through our borders and not through legal ports of entry. If we are not going to enforce the border, how are we going to enforce voting procedures? That is a legitimate concern.
Now, I happen to believe that most are not criminals but just want a better life.
The problem is what do they expect when they come to the US. If they just want a permanent work visa for them and their kids - perhaps, we can support that but know that this comes against working class people who otherwise would see their wages raised. What are the individual worker supply shortages that need to be filled. And, if we fill it, will we then turn around and speak to "income disparities" in brown communities versus others (Asian, White, etc.).
If in turn, they (and longer term, their children) want to participate in the social programs, then that comes at a cost to each individual taxpayer. Assuming we cannot run unlimited debts (new Monetarists), then paying for these programs comes in the form of higher taxes. At first it is the Billionaires, then the Millionaires, then $400K/year and then to Sweden which is 60% of their income at $70K or higher.
It also comes to increased competition to current US citizens at things like executive positions, college admission, board seats.
One may say, well, that is "racist" and is coming at the expense of whites. I think you have to look no further at Stuyvesant High School in NYC, a high-performance magnet school in the US.
Stuyvesant High School
Stuyvesant High School profile, including NY ranking, test scores, and more.
In 1989, there were over 200 black americans. Now there are 20. Why? Whites dropped by half in the same period of time. The reason: Asians doubled.
To that end and to BSC911, immigration is not some small number or a "rounding error" of population change. It is not small, and the broad proportion is from Mexico.
What the data says about immigrants in the U.S.
In 2022, roughly 10.6 million immigrants living in the U.S. were born in Mexico, making up 23% of all U.S. immigrants.
www.pewresearch.org
From a DEI perspective, why should one country make up 25% of our intake?
So, Ghost, the focus must be on the Border and passing Voting laws with proper ID systems. We are a nation of laws which need to be enforced.
Final point, regardless of what happens with these individuals and their race and economic background, the dignity of each person and family must be maintained.
I don't know what ghost said but I won't entertain racist theories. To assume that people not from America will automatically vote for democrats is stupid.Kalim - I happen to agree with Ghost here. You were, appropriately, say, "let's see what the results said." They came out, and a clearly partisan audit firm, came up with an almost identical answer. For me, that is a very good thing. We had, from a voting perspective, a fair election.
The question is what is happening with extra-legal immigration
Ghost - Demographic change, driven through relaxed / open borders is what is driving what we see in our politics.
It happens, it appears, that massive scale fraud did not take place in 2020. That is a good thing.
The key point is that it could have. We have 100,000s of illegal immigrants coming through our borders and not through legal ports of entry. If we are not going to enforce the border, how are we going to enforce voting procedures? That is a legitimate concern.
Now, I happen to believe that most are not criminals but just want a better life.
The problem is what do they expect when they come to the US. If they just want a permanent work visa for them and their kids - perhaps, we can support that but know that this comes against working class people who otherwise would see their wages raised. What are the individual worker supply shortages that need to be filled. And, if we fill it, will we then turn around and speak to "income disparities" in brown communities versus others (Asian, White, etc.).
If in turn, they (and longer term, their children) want to participate in the social programs, then that comes at a cost to each individual taxpayer. Assuming we cannot run unlimited debts (new Monetarists), then paying for these programs comes in the form of higher taxes. At first it is the Billionaires, then the Millionaires, then $400K/year and then to Sweden which is 60% of their income at $70K or higher.
It also comes to increased competition to current US citizens at things like executive positions, college admission, board seats.
One may say, well, that is "racist" and is coming at the expense of whites. I think you have to look no further at Stuyvesant High School in NYC, a high-performance magnet school in the US.
Stuyvesant High School
Stuyvesant High School profile, including NY ranking, test scores, and more.
In 1989, there were over 200 black americans. Now there are 20. Why? Whites dropped by half in the same period of time. The reason: Asians doubled.
To that end and to BSC911, immigration is not some small number or a "rounding error" of population change. It is not small, and the broad proportion is from Mexico.
What the data says about immigrants in the U.S.
In 2022, roughly 10.6 million immigrants living in the U.S. were born in Mexico, making up 23% of all U.S. immigrants.
From a DEI perspective, why should one country make up 25% of our intake?
So, Ghost, the focus must be on the Border and passing Voting laws with proper ID systems. We are a nation of laws which need to be enforced.
Not sure why you are shocked that massive fraud didn't happen. Trump is a known sore loser and some of you guys sadly believed him. He said the Republican primary was fraudulent when he lost a state. It's pretty sad and funny, how one man can make people willingly look stupid.
I don’t think you understand what was presented yesterday. At all.Kalim - I happen to agree with Ghost here. You were, appropriately, say, "let's see what the results said." They came out, and a clearly partisan audit firm, came up with an almost identical answer. For me, that is a very good thing. We had, from a voting perspective, a fair election.
The question is what is happening with extra-legal immigration
Ghost - Demographic change, driven through relaxed / open borders is what is driving what we see in our politics.
It happens, it appears, that massive scale fraud did not take place in 2020. That is a good thing.
The key point is that it could have. We have 100,000s of illegal immigrants coming through our borders and not through legal ports of entry. If we are not going to enforce the border, how are we going to enforce voting procedures? That is a legitimate concern.
Now, I happen to believe that most are not criminals but just want a better life.
The problem is what do they expect when they come to the US. If they just want a permanent work visa for them and their kids - perhaps, we can support that but know that this comes against working class people who otherwise would see their wages raised. What are the individual worker supply shortages that need to be filled. And, if we fill it, will we then turn around and speak to "income disparities" in brown communities versus others (Asian, White, etc.).
If in turn, they (and longer term, their children) want to participate in the social programs, then that comes at a cost to each individual taxpayer. Assuming we cannot run unlimited debts (new Monetarists), then paying for these programs comes in the form of higher taxes. At first it is the Billionaires, then the Millionaires, then $400K/year and then to Sweden which is 60% of their income at $70K or higher.
It also comes to increased competition to current US citizens at things like executive positions, college admission, board seats.
One may say, well, that is "racist" and is coming at the expense of whites. I think you have to look no further at Stuyvesant High School in NYC, a high-performance magnet school in the US.
Stuyvesant High School
Stuyvesant High School profile, including NY ranking, test scores, and more.
In 1989, there were over 200 black americans. Now there are 20. Why? Whites dropped by half in the same period of time. The reason: Asians doubled.
To that end and to BSC911, immigration is not some small number or a "rounding error" of population change. It is not small, and the broad proportion is from Mexico.
What the data says about immigrants in the U.S.
In 2022, roughly 10.6 million immigrants living in the U.S. were born in Mexico, making up 23% of all U.S. immigrants.
From a DEI perspective, why should one country make up 25% of our intake?
So, Ghost, the focus must be on the Border and passing Voting laws with proper ID systems. We are a nation of laws which need to be enforced.
It was far from a clean and fair election. And all they audited was one county in one state.
They found far more fraud in that one county than needed to flip the state.
We send Cuban refugees back and accept anyone from the southern border.
The motive for the open border policy is clear.
- Canvass showed over 3,400 more ballots were cast than recorded
- Over 9,000 more mail-in ballots were received and recorded than the official number of mail-in ballots sent out by the county
- Precincts show more ballots cast on election day than people who showed up to vote. 1,551 extra votes.
- Approximately 2,500 ballots were shown in the early vote returns that do not have a voter listed as casting them.
- Over 255,000 early votes shown in the county final vote file do not have a corresponding entry in the early voting returns file
- Over 23,000 voted by mail after moving after the October 5th cutoff
- 2,382 voters cast votes in Maricopa county, in person, after moving out of the county
- Over 2,000 voters who moved out of Arizona during the 29 days before the election were given a full ballot instead of a presidential-only ballot.
- Close to 300 deceased voters potentially vote.
I am not shocked, per se, but the broad opening of voting due to Covid-19 (mail in voting) raised questions. That is fine, let's do an audit and confirm or remove the hypothesis.
Your first point is right. It happens though that immigrants tend to vote for the political party that offers more government based benefits. It is true in any modern democracy. The reason is simple and fully understandable: it's in their direct economic interest.
California has nearly a R2 (co-efficient statistic) of 1 between immigration from Mexico and the % voting democratic. It does not make the vote automatic, but the trend lines are exceptionally clear.
DRS can and does operate both ways. My primary critique of Ghost, and him of me, is that I do not support nor applaud each statement he makes.
We should have managed immigration and not illegal immigration. We are not the world's safety net.
By the way, if we want to see an explosive discussion, imagine if Republicans said something along the following: allow Israelis to move en-masse to the US. Or, if we want to add to the US, add in DC and PR as States and then add in Israel and Cuba as states.
It's game day, GO GATORS and by the way, Kalim, if we are ever at a Gator game together, would buy you a beer in a heart beat to talk a bit of politics but then a lot of Florida football.
76 - I will go back and look over the findings again. I will say, Fox News, which tends to be a good arbiter of whether something "is there" these things, was not talking about this at all.
I agree with the changes to voting laws for Voter ID and managed mail-in voting.
My point to you and other R is move on. Trump is not going to get re-installed. Focus on Voting Laws, Illegal Immigration enforcement and winning over Independents and do not sit at home, sulk, and not vote.
