Anonymous parting player thoughts....

[Gator Fever]

https://florida.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1734947

Who in the heck said this stuff. It sounds like he was programmed by Muschamp. lol


From what you saw, did Muschamp handcuff Kurt Roper's offense at all this past year?

From my freshman year to the last game Muschamp was there, whatever anybody tells you is false because he never handcuffed Roper, never handcuffed (Brent) Pease. He certainly never handcuffed (Charlie) Weis. When we have a great defense like we've had for as long as Muschamp was here, there's no need to go out there and try to do something fancy. I mean, we were one play away from going to the national championship in 2012. We threw the ball more the next couple of years, and look how we did. Muschamp gets a bad rap because he's not an offensive guy and everybody around here loves offensive guys.

How much did you see Roper dial down the offense's playbook when he made the switch at quarterback last season?

Yeah, there's definitely a dialing down, but I don't think that was just for Treon (Harris) - I think that was for everybody. Obviously, it's easier because Jeff is so good at understanding what's happening and where everybody needs to be, so they could throw more in with him because he could handle it. But with Treon, he couldn't tell Matt Jones what to do if Matt Jones didn't know. Everybody was more independent out there. Except when Jeff was out there, he could kind of run things and control things kind of like a coach.

 

[oozie7]

Meh. Kinda fits with what I've said on here for a long time when posters deferred to me on certain issues...just because you play doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. You guys would see what I mean if you were around more players, beast athletes, but most aren't too bright. LOL@ Driskel being so far advanced in the offense when he had to learn it at the same time as everyone else. And Muschamp is on record as saying he dialed back the offense in certain situations, so there's that.

 

[bradleygator]

Actually, both of the anonymous player shots said that Driskel understood the offense better than everyone else and worked pretty diligently at his job. That doesn't mean he was any good after the ball snapped, but hopefully it will put a stop to the rumors that he was chugging beer when he should have been in his playbook. I've heard that one a few times on these boards, and I have no idea what it's based on other than one tweet from Roper that he should study his playbook. If anyone wants to run that one out again, hopefully it will link to some actual source material as opposed to just "I heard."

 

[Gator Fever]

I almost spit my drink out when I read that about Driskel being able to handle things.

 

[Gator Fever]

Originally posted by bradleygator:
Actually, both of the anonymous player shots said that Driskel understood the offense better than everyone else and worked pretty diligently at his job. That doesn't mean he was any good after the ball snapped, but hopefully it will put a stop to the rumors that he was chugging beer when he should have been in his playbook. I've heard that one a few times on these boards, and I have no idea what it's based on other than one tweet from Roper that he should study his playbook. If anyone wants to run that one out again, hopefully it will link to some actual source material as opposed to just "I heard."

Not sure on that but you could still know the playbook anyway. I heard Driskel liked his drinking during the off season quite a few places from people that said they had kids at UF etc. I do think they should have some fun however.

 

[oozie7]

Well if he understood his playbook it would have shown on the field. We all agree he had all the physical tools so that combined with him knowing the playbook would have at least made him average. But I don't want to hear anything about knowing a playbook inside out when the guy can't identify his #2 or #3 against basic man coverage.

 

[bradleygator]

He may like his beer, a lot of us do, and he may be a bad quarterback, but the two aren't necessarily related. If people are going to run that out there about someone, it should be based on something solid, because those kind of rumors stick around.

The coaches were pretty loyal to him, and they were in the best position to know how he prepared.

 

[GSMBrefugee]

Its possible to know the playbook and still be unable to make quick decisions during games. Driskel would even hesitate to throw bubble screens. He was a sight thrower , he would lock onto one receiver and throw when he saw the receiver open. That's why he took so many sacks and threw so many picks.

I still don't know wtf he was thinking on the LSU pick

 

[oozie7]

I don't care if he was a functioning alcoholic in his spare time as long as he balled out. He played like he was drunk so that's enough for me to assume he drank off the field. Maybe it wasn't just garotade in that bottle lulz. We might need to consult Night Time Danny to know for sure though.

 

[Dannygator1989]

Mickey Mantle used to play drunk AND hungover while smoking in the dugout during games.

Driskel's inability to handle himself is no excuse.

Btw. He's far away in Louisianna now...let's avoid acknowledging his existence from this day forth....it makes me want to drink more.

 

[oozie7]

 

[46885]

Originally posted by oozie7:
Meh. Kinda fits with what I've said on here for a long time when posters deferred to me on certain issues...just because you play doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. You guys would see what I mean if you were around more players, beast athletes, but most aren't too bright. LOL@ Driskel being so far advanced in the offense when he had to learn it at the same time as everyone else. And Muschamp is on record as saying he dialed back the offense in certain situations, so there's that.

yes.. like most of the guys on the panels for networks... especially deion sanders etc..

 

[HardeeWildcatFan]

I didn't know that players other than the QB has head-mics!!! Wow they know everything going on even behind the scenes they don't even get to listen to. If they only knew what was said they would be surprised.

 

[LinksGator]

Anonymous parting player...... Jeff Driskel?

 

[JD Gator]

'I don't care if he was a functioning alcoholic in his spare time as long as he balled out.'

Sincerely,

Rex Grossman

 

[grommit]

Originally posted by Gator Fever:
I almost spit my drink out when I read that about Driskel being able to handle things.

Clearly the "anonymous" player was Drisky himself?

I don't doubt that Driskel knew the playbook and how things were supposed to run better than anyone else. When it comes time to snap the ball though, his brain flies out his left ear and he's too slow and too accurate to play the position. The only way he was going to ever succeed in an offense here was if he was running the ball 50% of the time cause that was where his true offensive skill lies.

 

[oozie7]

Originally posted by JD Gator:
'I don't care if he was a functioning alcoholic in his spare time as long as he balled out.'

Sincerely,

Rex Grossman

I'm sooooo jealous of Rex. Wasn't he dating twins when he played with the Bears or something like that? The stories about him are epic.

 

[GatorGray]

Originally posted by JD Gator:
'I don't care if he was a functioning alcoholic in his spare time as long as he balled out.'

Sincerely,

Rex Grossman

No way Rex was an alcoholic. Alcoholics can't get themselves looking dapper the way Rex can:

 

[djegators]

Originally posted by oozie7:

Originally posted by JD Gator:
'I don't care if he was a functioning alcoholic in his spare time as long as he balled out.'

Sincerely,

Rex Grossman

I'm sooooo jealous of Rex. Wasn't he dating twins when he played with the Bears or something like that? The stories about him are epic.

I think only Tebow could have pulled more, had he chosen that path.

 

[grommit]

Originally posted by djegators:

Originally posted by oozie7:

Originally posted by JD Gator:
'I don't care if he was a functioning alcoholic in his spare time as long as he balled out.'

Sincerely,

Rex Grossman

I'm sooooo jealous of Rex. Wasn't he dating twins when he played with the Bears or something like that? The stories about him are epic.

I think only Tebow could have pulled more, had he chosen that path.

Jesse Palmer? For what it's worth Doug Johnson's wife is still doing well every day I see her. He's not hurting in that department.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Originally posted by bradleygator:
Actually, both of the anonymous player shots said that Driskel understood the offense better than everyone else and worked pretty diligently at his job. That doesn't mean he was any good after the ball snapped, but hopefully it will put a stop to the rumors that he was chugging beer when he should have been in his playbook. I've heard that one a few times on these boards, and I have no idea what it's based on other than one tweet from Roper that he should study his playbook. If anyone wants to run that one out again, hopefully it will link to some actual source material as opposed to just "I heard."

I agree with your overall premise

I am reasonably close to some people that work for the program and report on the program. Both said that Driskel looked very, very good last fall, before the season started. Both said he had command of the offense. Based on those reports that I became cautiously optimistic going into the year.

The sad thing about Jeff is that when the ball in snapped in game time, he has a tendency to panic and make poor decisions. He is the opposite of Danny W.



This post was edited on 2/11 2:13 PM by MJWilliamson

 

[Gator Fever]

I always wondered about those camp reports on Driskel looking so good because when you would see the actual play by play reports from sites during the open practices you would see the mistakes Driskel was making especially when the defense brought the heat. A lot of overthrows, led the receiver slightly out of bounds and would have been a sack in a real game etc.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Originally posted by Gator Fever:
I always wondered about those camp reports on Driskel looking so good because when you would see the actual play by play reports from sites during the open practices you would see the mistakes Driskel was making especially when the defense brought the heat. A lot of overthrows, led the receiver slightly out of bounds and would have been a sack in a real game etc.

I personally was not at the practices, so I had to rely on what my friends told me.

 

[Gator Fever]

Originally posted by MJWilliamson:

Originally posted by Gator Fever:
I always wondered about those camp reports on Driskel looking so good because when you would see the actual play by play reports from sites during the open practices you would see the mistakes Driskel was making especially when the defense brought the heat. A lot of overthrows, led the receiver slightly out of bounds and would have been a sack in a real game etc.

I personally was not at the practices, so I had to rely on what my friends told me.

I know. I was commenting in general. I brought it up a few times before the season because the pay sites would always say he looks so great in practice but when they did the actual play by plays it didn't seem to match what they had been writing to me.

 

[oozie7]

Originally posted by Gator Fever:

Originally posted by MJWilliamson:

Originally posted by Gator Fever:
I always wondered about those camp reports on Driskel looking so good because when you would see the actual play by play reports from sites during the open practices you would see the mistakes Driskel was making especially when the defense brought the heat. A lot of overthrows, led the receiver slightly out of bounds and would have been a sack in a real game etc.

I personally was not at the practices, so I had to rely on what my friends told me.

I know. I was commenting in general. I brought it up a few times before the season because the pay sites would always say he looks so great in practice but when they did the actual play by plays it didn't seem to match what they had been writing to me.

That's because they write reports that will sell, telling everyone the QB still looks bad won't get fans excited and have them buy subscriptions. But yea, you're right, their play-by-play seemed to always contradict their own reports.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Originally posted by oozie7:

That's because they write reports that will sell, telling everyone the QB still looks bad won't get fans excited and have them buy subscriptions.

In general I agree with you oozie, save for two things.

One, one guy is indeed a reporter, but he discussed Driskel's performance in private conversations. Two, the other guy is not a reporter, but works for the AD and attends practice.


It does not really matter. Driskel is gone. Never to come back and play for the Gators. Harris was not a whole lot better. It remains to be seen who will win the role of starting QB.

 

[grommit]

Originally posted by MJWilliamson:

Originally posted by oozie7:

That's because they write reports that will sell, telling everyone the QB still looks bad won't get fans excited and have them buy subscriptions.

In general I agree with you oozie, save for two things.

One, one guy is indeed a reporter, but he discussed Driskel's performance in private conversations. Two, the other guy is not a reporter, but works for the AD and attends practice.


It does not really matter. Driskel is gone. Never to come back and play for the Gators. Harris was not a whole lot better. It remains to be seen who will win the role of starting QB.

I'll take "not a whole lot better" from a Freshman thrown into the role with little to no experience previously at the college level over a 3 year starter who still couldn't hit receivers accurately to save his life.

 

[SwampMaster]

I thought Harris was a much better passer. I didn't compare stats, but he seemed much more composed and accurate.

It looked like Driskel just threw a really hard ball to catch. He had very little touch. Receivers constantly dropped balls that he threw. It looked like they were trying to catch a bowling ball. They seemed to have much better hands when Treon was throwing the ball to them.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Originally posted by SwampMaster:

I thought Harris was a much better passer. I didn't compare stats, but he seemed much more composed and accurate.

It looked like Driskel just threw a really hard ball to catch. He had very little touch. Receivers constantly dropped balls that he threw. It looked like they were trying to catch a bowling ball. They seemed to have much better hands when Treon was throwing the ball to them.

I would agree about Harris throwing a more catchable ball, especially short passes. Jeff was just a tad more accurate than Treon, but threw a lot more picks. Interesting that they both played in nine games, so stat comparisons are valid.

 

[oozie7]

Originally posted by MJWilliamson:

Originally posted by oozie7:

That's because they write reports that will sell, telling everyone the QB still looks bad won't get fans excited and have them buy subscriptions.

In general I agree with you oozie, save for two things.

One, one guy is indeed a reporter, but he discussed Driskel's performance in private conversations. Two, the other guy is not a reporter, but works for the AD and attends practice.


It does not really matter. Driskel is gone. Never to come back and play for the Gators. Harris was not a whole lot better. It remains to be seen who will win the role of starting QB.

Oh yea I wasn't speaking about your sources, just in general. You're not the first person I've heard report he looked good, but those were few and far between. I was more speaking in general as to how fan sites operate.

 

[Dannygator1989]

If Driskel had a hard ball to catch, then why did opposing defenses have no problem getting their hands on it?

 

[MJWilliamson]

Originally posted by Dannygator1989:
If Driskel had a hard ball to catch, then why did opposing defenses have no problem getting their hands on it?

I am not sure where one would find this kind of information to verify it, but my memory suggests a significant number of his interceptions were a result of deflections.

 

[Dannygator1989]

Originally posted by MJWilliamson:

Originally posted by Dannygator1989:
If Driskel had a hard ball to catch, then why did opposing defenses have no problem getting their hands on it?

I am not sure where one would find this kind of information to verify it, but my memory suggests a significant number of his interceptions were a result of deflections.

You'd probably to go back and watch all his plays over the last four years....so...if that sounds like something that you would enjoy...

 

[46885]

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This post was edited on 2/11 9:13 PM by 46885

 

[46885]

Driskel threw every ball like a shortstop that has little time to turn two on the exchange and throw out the runner at first off balance... except with a football. He was just bad at everything, and his deep balls were the worst things I've ever seen, since he had no touch he just looked like he lobbed them up off his front foot with no real direction or place for the ball to land.. It takes effort to be as bad as that kid is, the only routes he could throw, ironically, were the ones he waited too damn long to get rid of in the pocket and it was too late. Which is where those INT's came from on tipped balls

 

[LizardGrad89]

Originally posted by oozie7:

Originally posted by Gator Fever:

Originally posted by MJWilliamson:

Originally posted by Gator Fever:
I always wondered about those camp reports on Driskel looking so good because when you would see the actual play by play reports from sites during the open practices you would see the mistakes Driskel was making especially when the defense brought the heat. A lot of overthrows, led the receiver slightly out of bounds and would have been a sack in a real game etc.

I personally was not at the practices, so I had to rely on what my friends told me.

I know. I was commenting in general. I brought it up a few times before the season because the pay sites would always say he looks so great in practice but when they did the actual play by plays it didn't seem to match what they had been writing to me.

That's because they write reports that will sell, telling everyone the QB still looks bad won't get fans excited and have them buy subscriptions. But yea, you're right, their play-by-play seemed to always contradict their own reports.

I thought maybe we kept a leash on the defense. Always in base, no blitzing, etc. Wasn't Jeff's biggest weakness that he couldn't analyze what was going on around him and make a good decision? You don't have that problem when the defense only ever does exactly what you expect them to do.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Originally posted by Dannygator1989:

Originally posted by MJWilliamson:

Originally posted by Dannygator1989:
If Driskel had a hard ball to catch, then why did opposing defenses have no problem getting their hands on it?

I am not sure where one would find this kind of information to verify it, but my memory suggests a significant number of his interceptions were a result of deflections.

You'd probably to go back and watch all his plays over the last four years....so...if that sounds like something that you would enjoy...

Your slightly drunk sarcasm does have a certain appeal. Avoid posting past mid night though.



This post was edited on 2/12 10:55 AM by MJWilliamson

 

[Gator Fever]

Originally posted by LizardGrad89:

Originally posted by oozie7:

Originally posted by Gator Fever:

Originally posted by MJWilliamson:

Originally posted by Gator Fever:
I always wondered about those camp reports on Driskel looking so good because when you would see the actual play by play reports from sites during the open practices you would see the mistakes Driskel was making especially when the defense brought the heat. A lot of overthrows, led the receiver slightly out of bounds and would have been a sack in a real game etc.

I personally was not at the practices, so I had to rely on what my friends told me.

I know. I was commenting in general. I brought it up a few times before the season because the pay sites would always say he looks so great in practice but when they did the actual play by plays it didn't seem to match what they had been writing to me.

That's because they write reports that will sell, telling everyone the QB still looks bad won't get fans excited and have them buy subscriptions. But yea, you're right, their play-by-play seemed to always contradict their own reports.

I thought maybe we kept a leash on the defense. Always in base, no blitzing, etc. Wasn't Jeff's biggest weakness that he couldn't analyze what was going on around him and make a good decision? You don't have that problem when the defense only ever does exactly what you expect them to do.

They surely did that in the spring game but I think in practice they let them get after Driskel some even though the QB is protected and it was when they described those plays that it didn't sound too good.

 

[PacoGator19]

Will Grier

 

[46885]

MJ told danny not to post while he's sleeping