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An interesting TikTok from J. Greenblatt and then editorial on the WSJ (Ira Stoll)

apropos of nothing at all...

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This is the very height of unhelpful jackassery.

Storing transcripts as image files on the server level rather than a searchable pdf.

That said, any particular page of the transcript can be linked directly, if someone wanted to stop playing who read what and actually post factual evidence.

Observe:


THE SOCK LORD IS WEARY OF YOUR SHENANIGANS.
I would love to but I can’t find time to sift through hundreds and hundreds of unsearchable pages one click at a time.

And neither can Kalim.
 
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Day 2 alone is 802 pages - is what I was referring to.
To download all of that would wear out my weakass computer. Fortunately we got Kalim to read it and tell us what was said. I just wish he (Kalim) wasn't a God forsaken liberal Democrat.
 
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Maybe I am wrong, BUT, I thought the whole point of gag orders was to protect the defendant, to ensure a fair trial. Not to silence the defendant.

What is a gag order?​

Most likely we’ve heard the term “gag order” used in connection with high-profile criminal trials.

Formally known as a non-dissemination order, a gag order is a court-imposed restriction on what information during trial or preliminary proceedings can be released to the public and what those involved in the case can say about it. Such orders often apply to everyone directly involved: lawyers, witnesses, defendants and plaintiffs. Sometimes they apply only to specific participants.

Such orders should be of concern anytime they are issued. The public and defendants have a First Amendment right and need to publicly review, critique and comment on the performance of the judicial system. This holds courts accountable and sustains public support for their operations. But that right may run up against the Sixth Amendment right guaranteeing a fair trial.

Let’s look at what gag orders do, and when they may be appropriate limits on free speech.

What is the goal of a gag order?​

The Sixth Amendment protects the right to “a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury.” This sometimes aligns with the First Amendment right to access and publish information, including about criminal trials. At other times, the two amendments come into conflict, as too much publicity surrounding a case can create unfairness:

  • Potential jurors could be prejudiced by statements in the media or online.
  • Witnesses could be threatened or harassed and even pressured to change their testimony.
  • Confidential or proprietary trade secrets might be released.
A gag order seeks to prevent public statements that could cause harm to the overall case or people involved that cannot be undone.
 

What is a gag order?​

Most likely we’ve heard the term “gag order” used in connection with high-profile criminal trials.

Formally known as a non-dissemination order, a gag order is a court-imposed restriction on what information during trial or preliminary proceedings can be released to the public and what those involved in the case can say about it. Such orders often apply to everyone directly involved: lawyers, witnesses, defendants and plaintiffs. Sometimes they apply only to specific participants.

Such orders should be of concern anytime they are issued. The public and defendants have a First Amendment right and need to publicly review, critique and comment on the performance of the judicial system. This holds courts accountable and sustains public support for their operations. But that right may run up against the Sixth Amendment right guaranteeing a fair trial.

Let’s look at what gag orders do, and when they may be appropriate limits on free speech.

What is the goal of a gag order?​

The Sixth Amendment protects the right to “a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury.” This sometimes aligns with the First Amendment right to access and publish information, including about criminal trials. At other times, the two amendments come into conflict, as too much publicity surrounding a case can create unfairness:

  • Potential jurors could be prejudiced by statements in the media or online.
  • Witnesses could be threatened or harassed and even pressured to change their testimony.
  • Confidential or proprietary trade secrets might be released.
A gag order seeks to prevent public statements that could cause harm to the overall case or people involved that cannot be undone.
I know what a gag order is, my point was, through out history, the gag order have usually been used to keep possible inflammatory or prejudicial information from being leaked from the courtroom to be used to damage the defendant. You know, to help ensure the defendant gets a fair trial and not roasted or found guilty by the media and other outside sources, especially when the jurors are not sequestered.
 
I know what a gag order is, my point was, through out history, the gag order have usually been used to keep possible inflammatory or prejudicial information from being leaked from the courtroom to be used to damage the defendant. You know, to help ensure the defendant gets a fair trial and not roasted or found guilty by the media and other outside sources, especially when the jurors are not sequestered.
Its not to ensure the defendant gets a fair trail. Its to ensure that there is a fair trial.

Trump's problem is that he has by far the biggest megaphone and things he says are far more likely to influence people than anything Cohen or anybody else related to the trial says. So if the judge wants to make sure the trial is fair, he needs to control the person/people who are most likely to influence others. Which is exactly what he is doing. I don't see any mystery to it.
 
Its not to ensure the defendant gets a fair trail. Its to ensure that there is a fair trial.

Trump's problem is that he has by far the biggest megaphone and things he says are far more likely to influence people than anything Cohen or anybody else related to the trial says. So if the judge wants to make sure the trial is fair, he needs to control the person/people who are most likely to influence others. Which is exactly what he is doing. I don't see any mystery to it.
This is a political trial born out of a compulsion to use "lawfare" to defeat Trump. Further the trial is the ultimate epitomy and example of unequal justice. So to pretend that the Judge has any concern about Trump getting a fair trial is a farce.
 
This is a political trial born out of a compulsion to use "lawfare" to defeat Trump. Further the trial is the ultimate epitomy and example of unequal justice. So to pretend that the Judge has any concern about Trump getting a fair trial is a farce.
The republicans would be doing the exact same thing if the facts where reversed.

Anybody who has done what Trump is accused of should never, ever be president of this country. End of story.

Its just a sad state we are in that you guys don't really care if he did it or not.
 

What is a gag order?​

Most likely we’ve heard the term “gag order” used in connection with high-profile criminal trials.

Formally known as a non-dissemination order, a gag order is a court-imposed restriction on what information during trial or preliminary proceedings can be released to the public and what those involved in the case can say about it. Such orders often apply to everyone directly involved: lawyers, witnesses, defendants and plaintiffs. Sometimes they apply only to specific participants.

Such orders should be of concern anytime they are issued. The public and defendants have a First Amendment right and need to publicly review, critique and comment on the performance of the judicial system. This holds courts accountable and sustains public support for their operations. But that right may run up against the Sixth Amendment right guaranteeing a fair trial.

Let’s look at what gag orders do, and when they may be appropriate limits on free speech.

What is the goal of a gag order?​

The Sixth Amendment protects the right to “a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury.” This sometimes aligns with the First Amendment right to access and publish information, including about criminal trials. At other times, the two amendments come into conflict, as too much publicity surrounding a case can create unfairness:

  • Potential jurors could be prejudiced by statements in the media or online.
  • Witnesses could be threatened or harassed and even pressured to change their testimony.
  • Confidential or proprietary trade secrets might be released.
A gag order seeks to prevent public statements that could cause harm to the overall case or people involved that cannot be undone.
These people are not interested in reality they are solely interested in having their bias’s confirmed. Period. I have never seen anything quite like it. And this is coming from somebody that thinks most people are morons.
 
The republicans would be doing the exact same thing if the facts where reversed.

Anybody who has done what Trump is accused of should never, ever be president of this country. End of story.

Its just a sad state we are in that you guys don't really care if he did it or not.
Yeah remember that time the pubs indicted a former president?
 
Nope. Don't remember the Dems having a former president running again and paying off porn stars either.

Isn't it funny how the indictment and the porn star thing just happen to pertain to the same guy?
Once. again, holler at me when there's a conviction.

The porn star has been denying the affair since 2011, incidentally.

You're another useful idiot, I have no idea why I bother. You made your dumbass walls are closing in thread how many years ago and then got passionately owned and dipped out. You going to stick around if conviction doesn't stick?

Incidentally, you can run from prison, and there's only two felonies that keep you from running. Spoiler alert, none of the charges against him are those two.
 
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Nope. Don't remember the Dems having a former president running again and paying off porn stars either.

Isn't it funny how the indictment and the porn star thing just happen to pertain to the same guy?
So why is it that Daniels owes Trump 300k in a civil lawsuit? Trump claims he never pounded her. She has admitted it never happened, and yet, somehow he is indicted in a criminal trial for election interference for something that probably didn't happen. I have no doubt he paid money for the story to go away, yet here we are with a bullshit indictment. That's not illegal, in particular NDAs, and the Federal Elections Commission had no issues with it either. You can bullshit some of the people some of the time, you can bullshit all of the people some of the time, but NYC Democrats are always full of shit. And there is ZERO debate about this. Just look at their shambles of a government there. Even dipshit Avenatti, her ex attorney, jailbird who tried to extort money from NIKE has admitted this. Eesh!

 
Illegal-shit should join a fantasy league with MDFer to see who can score the most points with fake news on a daily basis, 😂
 
Once. again, holler at me when there's a conviction.

The porn star has been denying the affair since 2011, incidentally.

You're another useful idiot, I have no idea why I bother. You made your dumbass walls are closing in thread how many years ago and then got passionately owned and dipped out. You going to stick around if conviction doesn't stick?

Incidentally, you can run from prison, and there's only two felonies that keep you from running. Spoiler alert, none of the charges against him are those two.
Looks like I hit a nerve, LOL. Your not quite the cool cat you pretend to be........and look who is hiding behind the curtain after all.

The reason you bother with me is that you can't refute a lot of what I am saying.....and you and I both know it....don't we ;) That's why you fell into just throwing insults......you can't conjure up a decent argument.

I have no illusions that Trump will be convicted as I have stated several times and I suspect even if he somehow is it won't matter to most of the Trump voters. But I AM saying the evidence clearly shows he did do this and it just doesn't matter to you guys. That's the sad reality we are in......and its too bad some of you don't just admit it. Would be easier to live with that reality than the hypocrisy in which we now exist.

The party that impeached Bill Clinton for lying about sex now doesn't even care that their guy did this shit..........we have come so far. SMDH.
 
Looks like I hit a nerve, LOL. Your not quite the cool cat you pretend to be........and look who is hiding behind the curtain after all.

The reason you bother with me is that you can't refute a lot of what I am saying.....and you and I both know it....don't we ;) That's why you fell into just throwing insults......you can't conjure up a decent argument.

I have no illusions that Trump will be convicted as I have stated several times and I suspect even if he somehow is it won't matter to most of the Trump voters. But I AM saying the evidence clearly shows he did do this and it just doesn't matter to you guys. That's the sad reality we are in......and its too bad some of you don't just admit it. Would be easier to live with that reality than the hypocrisy in which we now exist.

The party that impeached Bill Clinton for lying about sex now doesn't even care that their guy did this shit..........we have come so far. SMDH.
I'm not irritated at you, I'm irritated at K. You've always been a waste of biomass and oxygen.

We keep telling you what he's accused of isnt a crime, the case rests on a liar and person who is literally saying the opposite of what the prosecutor wants him to say and the woman who the pay off is allegedly to has been denying the affair since 2011.

but sure, we're the ones refusing to see the truth.

Don't act like you're after justice, you want a conviction. Presumption of innocence means nothing to you, shit you don't know the difference between a criminal conviction and a civil judgement.

Btdubs, lying under oath was the issue not lying about sex. It surprises me not at all you can't wrap your mind around that.

How big is this room, seems like the walls have been closing in for a minute.
 
Once. again, holler at me when there's a conviction.

The porn star has been denying the affair since 2011, incidentally.

You're another useful idiot, I have no idea why I bother. You made your dumbass walls are closing in thread how many years ago and then got passionately owned and dipped out. You going to stick around if conviction doesn't stick?

Incidentally, you can run from prison, and there's only two felonies that keep you from running. Spoiler alert, none of the charges against him are those two.
why do you waste evergy defending trump? the guys a scumbag. Vote for him if you like, but defend his morality or integrity? Why? rarely has there been a more vile human being. Anywhere.
 
Looks like I hit a nerve, LOL. Your not quite the cool cat you pretend to be........and look who is hiding behind the curtain after all.

The reason you bother with me is that you can't refute a lot of what I am saying.....and you and I both know it....don't we ;) That's why you fell into just throwing insults......you can't conjure up a decent argument.

I have no illusions that Trump will be convicted as I have stated several times and I suspect even if he somehow is it won't matter to most of the Trump voters. But I AM saying the evidence clearly shows he did do this and it just doesn't matter to you guys. That's the sad reality we are in......and its too bad some of you don't just admit it. Would be easier to live with that reality than the hypocrisy in which we now exist.

The party that impeached Bill Clinton for lying about sex now doesn't even care that their guy did this shit..........we have come so far. SMDH.
he is not, thats for sure. one or two bourbons and he is ready to pop!!!
 
The republicans would be doing the exact same thing if the facts where reversed.

Anybody who has done what Trump is accused of should never, ever be president of this country. End of story.

Its just a sad state we are in that you guys don't really care if he did it or not.
Let me EDUCATE you again...since you are so slow........the polls seem to call BS on your opinion, son.....
 
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Once. again, holler at me when there's a conviction.

The porn star has been denying the affair since 2011, incidentally.

You're another useful idiot, I have no idea why I bother. You made your dumbass walls are closing in thread how many years ago and then got passionately owned and dipped out. You going to stick around if conviction doesn't stick?

Incidentally, you can run from prison, and there's only two felonies that keep you from running. Spoiler alert, none of the charges against him are those two.
Her attorney said the payment was "consideration", which means it was part of a legal transaction.
 
why do you waste evergy defending trump? the guys a scumbag. Vote for him if you like, but defend his morality or integrity? Why? rarely has there been a more vile human being. Anywhere.
In the words of Bob Costas......"he is a bubbling cauldron of loathsome traits".

Now that's a money line.
 
Let me EDUCATE you again...since you are so slow........the polls seem to call BS on your opinion, son.....
Capt, somebody should tell undocumented-shift that anybody that has jeopardized our national secuity by allowing millions of unvetted people from all over the world in here should never ever be president of this country and who is far more dangerous than Trump ever has been. But Capt, what do you expect from someone who is in the 30 some percent Biden approval category.
 
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I'm not irritated at you, I'm irritated at K. You've always been a waste of biomass and oxygen.

We keep telling you what he's accused of isnt a crime, the case rests on a liar and person who is literally saying the opposite of what the prosecutor wants him to say and the woman who the pay off is allegedly to has been denying the affair since 2011.

but sure, we're the ones refusing to see the truth.

Don't act like you're after justice, you want a conviction. Presumption of innocence means nothing to you, shit you don't know the difference between a criminal conviction and a civil judgement.

Btdubs, lying under oath was the issue not lying about sex. It surprises me not at all you can't wrap your mind around that.

How big is this room, seems like the walls have been closing in for a minute.
Well, lets see, should I believe what "you guys keep telling me" or should I perhaps rely on the roughly 15 different lawyers who I have listened to discuss this topic, including my son, the 5 lawyers who sit within a stones throw of my office and several on various TV programs. Hmmm.....tough decision......I mean, I did learn that Hugo Chavez was manipulating all the dominion voting information from the guys on here......so there is that. Nah.....think I will go with the people who actually went to law school for this one.....who, btw, largely disagree with the "guys on here".

The rest of the stuff is more of you being a baby and throwing lies and insults. I am a bit disappointed in the quality of your game in this regard.....thought you would be better at it. Please try harder. I like a good roast, especially if its on this forum and at my expense. Its really a badge of honor for me.
 
Spare us the gazillion lawyers you know. How many are republicans? Zero? How many law schools are virtually all democrat?
Ask your lawyer experts if they know anything of the concept of change of venue and why this trial is in Manhattan, the most biased anti Trump borough in NY.
But I am sure we're all impressed with all your lawyer friends.
 
Well, lets see, should I believe what "you guys keep telling me" or should I perhaps rely on the roughly 15 different lawyers who I have listened to discuss this topic, including my son, the 5 lawyers who sit within a stones throw of my office and several on various TV programs. Hmmm.....tough decision......I mean, I did learn that Hugo Chavez was manipulating all the dominion voting information from the guys on here......so there is that. Nah.....think I will go with the people who actually went to law school for this one.....who, btw, largely disagree with the "guys on here".

The rest of the stuff is more of you being a baby and throwing lies and insults. I am a bit disappointed in the quality of your game in this regard.....thought you would be better at it. Please try harder. I like a good roast, especially if its on this forum and at my expense. Its really a badge of honor for me.
I hope you didn't put your kid thru law school then because you got robbed.

Have fun with that. I look forward to the weeping and gnashing of teeth come November.

I give a loud fart in a hurricane about your disappointment. Your lack of intellectual honesty on this subject is stunning but typical.

Once more with feeling, why is everyone with a gold membership a leftist shill?

I'd rather spend my money on crack than Rivals.
 
I hope you didn't put your kid thru law school then because you got robbed.

Have fun with that. I look forward to the weeping and gnashing of teeth come November.

I give a loud fart in a hurricane about your disappointment. Your lack of intellectual honesty on this subject is stunning but typical.

Once more with feeling, why is everyone with a gold membership a leftist shill?

I'd rather spend my money on crack than Rivals.
Shifty ain't intereted in a fair trial. Just like NY AG James, the interest is in a "get Trump" trial.
 
I hope you didn't put your kid thru law school then because you got robbed.

Have fun with that. I look forward to the weeping and gnashing of teeth come November.

I give a loud fart in a hurricane about your disappointment. Your lack of intellectual honesty on this subject is stunning but typical.

Once more with feeling, why is everyone with a gold membership a leftist shill?

I'd rather spend my money on crack than Rivals.
Leftist shill, LOL. Its what you guys always all fall back on when you can't make a real argument. Is Liz Cheney a leftist? Chris Christie? They probably hate Trump more than I do. There are lots of folks who are not on the left who can't stand Trump. But I do understand you are running out of things to say, so its time for you to go here. Continuing to hurl insults has no effect on me, it just makes you look bad. How is it that you don't know that?

Anyway, its time to end the back and forth.

Live long and prosper.
 
As confirmed above, the theme is how much people like or hate Trump or person A hates Trump more than I do. Too bad the theme isn't on whether a person, no matter how much he may be hated, can get a fair trial. So fair judges move venues or recuse themselves when their conflict of interest is so evident. Yea libs, no problem having the judge who oversees the trial be a Biden campaign donor. No conflict there, eh? Just as long as your football team wins, you don't care if the refs are in the tank. Go team!
 
Spare us the gazillion lawyers you know. How many are republicans? Zero? How many law schools are virtually all democrat?
Ask your lawyer experts if they know anything of the concept of change of venue and why this trial is in Manhattan, the most biased anti Trump borough in NY.
But I am sure we're all impressed with all your lawyer friends.
Why do you hate law enforcement? They arrest people that break the law, don’t break the law.
 
I hope you didn't put your kid thru law school then because you got robbed.

Have fun with that. I look forward to the weeping and gnashing of teeth come November.

I give a loud fart in a hurricane about your disappointment. Your lack of intellectual honesty on this subject is stunning but typical.

Once more with feeling, why is everyone with a gold membership a leftist shill?

I'd rather spend my money on crack than Rivals.
I think there are more trumpanzees with gold memberships.
 
I hope you didn't put your kid thru law school then because you got robbed.

Have fun with that. I look forward to the weeping and gnashing of teeth come November.

I give a loud fart in a hurricane about your disappointment. Your lack of intellectual honesty on this subject is stunning but typical.

Once more with feeling, why is everyone with a gold membership a leftist shill?

I'd rather spend my money on crack than Rivals.
Not stunning at all...he is a lyin lefty..just like the rest of them. Hold on..lets try again. And America hating lyin lefty.
 
Leftist shill, LOL. Its what you guys always all fall back on when you can't make a real argument. Is Liz Cheney a leftist? Chris Christie? They probably hate Trump more than I do. There are lots of folks who are not on the left who can't stand Trump. But I do understand you are running out of things to say, so its time for you to go here. Continuing to hurl insults has no effect on me, it just makes you look bad. How is it that you don't know that?

Anyway, its time to end the back and forth.

Live long and prosper.
When you are getting your azz handed to you with FACTS...THIS is how you leave the thrashing^^^^^^^
 
As confirmed above, the theme is how much people like or hate Trump or person A hates Trump more than I do. Too bad the theme isn't on whether a person, no matter how much he may be hated, can get a fair trial. So fair judges move venues or recuse themselves when their conflict of interest is so evident. Yea libs, no problem having the judge who oversees the trial be a Biden campaign donor. No conflict there, eh? Just as long as your football team wins, you don't care if the refs are in the tank. Go team!
Not ONE of them are bright enough to understand this...you are spot on....
 
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Leftist shill, LOL. Its what you guys always all fall back on when you can't make a real argument. Is Liz Cheney a leftist? Chris Christie?

Worse. They're RINOs.
They probably hate Trump more than I do. There are lots of folks who are not on the left who can't stand Trump.
I DONT LIKE TRUMP. But since he's going to be running the country and not trying to be my bestie, I'm down with it.

But I do understand you are running out of things to say, so its time for you to go here. Continuing to hurl insults has no effect on me, it just makes you look bad. How is it that you don't know that?
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Fetch me the post where I or anyone else ever took me seriously.

Go ahead on, I'll wait.
 
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