And they barely held off a Wisconsin team that most people thought had an inflated record due to their division being awful.
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And they barely held off a Wisconsin team that most people thought had an inflated record due to their division being awful.
With everything I have said I will be the first to admit Alabama is fully capable of winning the Title. Ohio State would have too, they are two of the most talented teams being led by the two best coaches.
My whole argument is against their resume at this point. I can't fathom how you leave out two conference champions.
Last year they did it as well, Ohio State had at least an impressive resume and a fluky loss to the eventual BIG champion. They beat the Big 12 champion Oklahoma impressively in Norman. They beat a top ten team in Michigan and were number two going into the last weekend.
Alabama had zero quality wins and got handled by a three loss Auburn team who subsequently got handled by Georgia.
Saban will have his team ready for Clemson no doubt.
I'm onto next year as far as football is concerned. I cannot watch a National Title game consisting of Georgia vs Alabama. Its like watching Florida State vs Auburn a few years ago, never happened.
Congrats to whoever wins.
Please...is there anyone here who thinks Wisconsin is better than Bama? Is there anyone here that thinks that if Wisconsin had beaten OSU for the B10 title that they wouldn’t have gone over Bama? Winning a conference would have made all the difference there. The inconsistency of the committee is out of control and indefensible.
If you made the P5s back to "automatic qualification" status, along with the best of the "group of five" (non-P5 conferences) you already have 6 slots filled. Then just add two "at large" slots for the top remaining teams. That leaves room for the non-P5 "bowl busters" that pop-up every now and then.
Of course, then we're basically back to the BCS system. Except now #8 has a chance to win the whole thing.
Bama didnt even win its own division and the team that won its division isnt even in the playoffs. So this is the logic the committee is using. Bama wasnt good enough to win its division so now they get rewarded because the team that beat them had to play another great team and lost. So playing an extra game against a great team does not matter.
I dont really care who people think is the best or who looked the best i care about who deserves to go. Oh st had the bad loss to iowa, i understand that. Why doesnt Oh st get credit for its wins though? Wisc is in the final four if they win that gane. Oh st beat them and eleiminated them and then bama takes their spot?
If oh st had 3 losses or 4, you wouldnt hear an argument from me but not going to a conf chmp should be considered a "loss" and if that team had 1 loss like bama and the other team had 2 like oh st, then both should be considered having 2 and oh st has a conf chmp and more impressive wins so they should get the spot
I would say that it's obvious bad losses carry more weight than good wins in the committee's minds. It's arguable both ways. I know they won't admit it because it was last year but Ohio St.s blow out loss to Clemson in theplayoffs had an effect
I agree that is the way they view, i think its the wrong way to look at it in this specific scenario
Auburn got exposed by Clemson? They lost 14-6.
Just about ready to tell you to GTFO.
You can't fathom how a 1 loss team from the SEC beat out a pair of 2 loss conference champions? Seems pretty straightforward to me.
If OSU can be sent in ahead of the champion of their own conference, who beat them head to head, this should not be surprising in the least.
It's clear to me you are an SEC apologist. As long as I know where you are coming from I have no other platform to debate you on. We are never going to agree on this point.
We are both Gator fans , I dont think two conference champions should be excluded. You think that the National CFP should be a Southeastern exclusive event.
Good day to you.
Pluto night be prove to be the biggest UF troll in the last 8 weeks.
SEC SEC SEC...... Keep waving that flag for the network.
The SEC was garbage this year, the BIG and Pac 12 were better top to bottom.
Feel free to keep believing what you want. I have never and I will continue to root for any Sec team other than Florida. I wont root for an Alabama vs Georgisa national title.
I hope Clemson throttles that undeserving Alabama team just like they throttled that undeserving Ohio State team a year ago.
To cross my bridge you have to have 3 Nole heads, 5 Miami turnover chains made with real gold and 2 Bulldog collars taken off the biggest meanest kind out there.
It's not about Conference Champions, it's about the 4 best teams. Yes the SEC as a whole is down, but the top is stronger than the top of any other conference. A team with 2 losses has no one to blame but themselves for not making the playoff.
I gave you possibly the most reasonable post I have ever written to a probable poser, and this is your response?
Here's an idea. Come back when you grow a brain.
Huh? You realize you can use the conf championship to determine those teams...right. For instance, UGA was OUT and then they become champs and they are in. Are you dumb or just a UGA fan?
Of course I realize that, but it's not a stated goal of the committee. They're tasked to get the 4 best teams. The committee got it right. You realize at least 1 conference champion is going to be left out every year, right? A conference championship is not a prerequisite, otherwise tOSU doesn't get in last year and Bama doesn't get in this year. Are you just dumb or are you a Free Shoes University fan? I heard this week that FSU is just USF backwards... go figure.
I think the committee got it right as to the 4 best teams this year. But the national title should be settled on the field and not by a committee. To do that you must expand to 8 teams and give all 5 P5 conference champions, plus 3 other high ranked teams, an opportunity to win it on the field. I've stated this on other threads, but every other sport, every other football league (high school, NFL, FCS, etc.) decides their champions by a tournament or playoff that includes ALL conference champions. And allowing 8 out of the 130 teams to compete is 7% of the FBS teams. 64 out of 300 teams that qualify in other sports includes 20% of their teams in tournaments and playoffs. It's only fair and reasonable to expand FBS playoffs to 8 teams and it WILL happen eventually because of $$$$$.
This whole "4 best teams" argument is stupid. Why evwn play the games then? Why not just let the committee pick from the start of the season. How can you definitively say that Bama is better than Oh st? Because you think they are or do you have proof? Bama beat nobody this yr. The one good team they played they lost too. Hell, if FSU doesnt shit its pants, they could have lost to us. UGA deserves to be there. OKlahoma deserves to be there, Clemson deserves to be there.....What did bama do to DESERVE to be there? Who did they beat that makes them worthy? Oh st had a bad loss to iowa, but that loss should be nullified by them winning a championship. NO CC should not be ALL that matters but when its close, it shoukd take precedence and that is exactly what they said the first yr the committee was in place. Bama has no good wins, did not win its division, did not win its conference, and lost to the only good team it played(a 3 loss team).
Oh st beat 3 top 15 teams including an undefeated penn st who was dominating at the time, and a wisky team in the.....wait for it...wait for it.....conference championship game.
The committee is using the CC as an eliminator right now because they are lazy. If anyone says Bama is the better team and would easily beat oh st, they are bias, and the reciprocal is true, both teams are good so you go to the resume'. 1 team beat 3 top 15 teams and won a conf championship, lost to a team in the playoffs and had 1 bad loss. The other, beat no good teams, did not win a conference championship, and lost to a team that did not make the playoffs.
The ONLY reason people think its ok is because its Bama. If i gave you these same exact statistics but Arizona st was the team with 1 loss, we wouldnt even have the convo.
Tell me the difference between Bama and Wisky? Except the fact that Wisky won its division, i cant tell a difference. Si why is Wisky not in over Bama? Because they lost later? Or because their jersey says Wisky and not bama. This is not the first time bama has been given a pass and it wont be last. I dont even hate bama, i like Saban, but they ALWAYS get a pass. Look at when they got a rematch against LSU instead of Oklahoma St. Same scenario, another deserving team, more so than bama, but bama gets pushed because of their name and it brings in the casual fans. I vet more and more disinterested in cfb each yr becuz of these politics
If Ohio St. had played a patsy like, oh I don't know, MERCER instead of Oklahoma they would be in the playoffs as a 1 loss conference champion. I'm pretty sure everybody posting on this board would agree with that. They would be 12-1 to Bama's 11-1, with more quality wins, plus a conference championship.
Of course. But losing their starting QB did not, by itself, change FSU from #3 to 6-6. They were way overrated to start and became another subpar team on Alabama's weak schedule. All I'm saying is that, while I totally agree that Alabama is probably better than Ohio St. and deserved to be the #4 seed over them, the fact that Ohio St. played a much tougher OOC team (one that is in the playoffs) than Alabama did (in retrospect) and lost to them is what kept them out of the playoffs. And I, also, understand that the horrible loss to Iowa gave them their 2nd loss and sealed the deal. Sagrin had Ohio State's strength of schedule BEFORE they played then #4 Wisconsin at 42, while Alabama's was 54. After last weekend, Team Rankings had Ohio State's Strength of Schedule Power Rating at #2, Alabama at #10. If Ohio State had played and beaten a MAC team instead of losing to Oklahoma they would be in the playoffs and not Alabama. You can't disagree with that.
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