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You gotta realize it’s also the reason he’s so popular. He speaks plainly and says what he means.

But the Left MSM makes any Republican into an evil person. They made milquetoast Romney into a Batman villain.
Trump is wildly popular with some people but he needs more than that to win the election. He could be the world's greatest guy but, if he doesn't win the election, he can't get anything done.

He needs votes from people Trumpers have been trained to hate. He NEEDS a lot of the 'RINO'/moderate vote.
 
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It's a media construct. Trump is upsetting their globalist applecart. I'm listening to the replay now. The man can talk for hours and is sharp as a tack.

Yeah, the interview parts I've heard are pretty amazing given he's in his 70's and being interviewed by probably the smartest guy in the world.
What time is Kamala's interview with Elon? I don't want to miss her insightful detailed solutions to the nation's myriad of issues.

LOL I'd PPV just to see her face if a campaign staffer were to tell her "So you've got an interview with Elon tomorrow at 7p, no biggie it'll only be 3 hours or so".

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Trump is wildly popular with some people but he needs more than that to win the election. He could be the world's greatest guy but, if he doesn't win the election, he can't get anything done.

He needs votes from people Trumpers have been trained to hate. He NEEDS a lot of the 'RINO'/moderate vote.
Again, how does he do that?

The MSM is going to make him a monster no matter what he does. They’ve done it with every R candidate in my lifetime.

If he cowtows to them they’ll still make him a monster and he won’t be as popular with his base, losing on both. At least by being authentic he keeps a strong (and growing) base.

Again, no R expanded their votes or ever got close to 75MM votes. He seems to be getting enough votes to win a fair election.
 
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I understand but, Trump NEEDS votes to get in a position to do anything. Routinely pissing off large numbers of people is not conducive to winning elections.
Those are idiots then, and you will never be able to talk sense in to them. Let me explain to you how much danger America is in with REAL communists/fascists that are on the other ticket. Do YOU want medicare for all? If passed , it will cost people making over 100K per year ABOUT 20% of their income. Cum allah wants those people to pay 4%. NOT NEAR ENOUGH, and unrealistic. Do you love open borders, AND paying for illegal aliens healthcare? Do you really believe in DEI?? Because if these things above, and MANY more do not bother you more than some mean tweets..that BTW USUALLY hit the nail right on the head..then ENJOY living in that world. And let me add...our freedoms as Americans will be GONE forever. So make it light on yourself. I think some people need to face REALITY. Give me mean tweets EVERY day WITH some 2 dollar gas, 3% interest rates, a booming economy, strong military, no wars, and mid east peace deals.
 
Again, how does he do that?

The MSM is going to make him a monster no matter what he does. They’ve done it with every R candidate in my lifetime.

If he cowtows to them they’ll still make him a monster and he won’t be as popular with his base, losing on both. At least by being authentic he keeps a strong (and growing) base.

Again, no R expanded their votes or ever got close to 75MM votes. He seems to be getting enough votes to win a fair election.
This HAS to stop. It IS election interference
 
Only the lefties do...none of us back here do...just the CNN, MSNBC idiots do
It's crazy how some can just be brainwashed by strangers telling them what to believe.

The biggest difference in liberals and conservatives is common sense.

Every liberal should watch V for Vendetta and see what's happening to them.
 
It's crazy how some can just be brainwashed by strangers telling them what to believe.

The biggest difference in liberals and conservatives is common sense.

Every liberal should watch V for Vendetta and see what's happening to them.

I can't hear the name of that movie without instantly thinking of the "Between two Ferns" Natalie Portman episode where Zack asks her "So you shaved your head for your role in "V for Vendetta"...did you also shave your V for Vagina"?
 
Got it. The only reason I think Trump speaks inappropriately is because I get my news from the left, and I am easily influenced by it.

Nailed it. You were finally correct about something, but didn’t provide full detail. I added that context for you above.
 
Trump is wildly popular with some people but he needs more than that to win the election. He could be the world's greatest guy but, if he doesn't win the election, he can't get anything done.

He needs votes from people Trumpers have been trained to hate. He NEEDS a lot of the 'RINO'/moderate vote.

And if moderates/rinos need trump to cow tow to them when he is running against people who are literally Marxists/socialists, then they are dumb enough to deserve what’s coming.
 
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It's crazy how some can just be brainwashed by strangers telling them what to believe.

The biggest difference in liberals and conservatives is common sense.

Every liberal should watch V for Vendetta and see what's happening to them.
I made the same mistake for 2-3 decades. I thought liberals were idiots. How could they possibly think their ideas were going to keep America strong and secure?

Turns out, liberals aren't stupid......they're anti-American. They are voting the way they do because they want traditionally strong and secure America to crumble.
 
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And if moderates/rinos need trump to cow tow to them when he is running against people who are literally Marxists/socialists, then they are dumb enough to deserve what’s coming.
So, you would choose turning things over to Marxists/socialists rather than 'cow towing' to moderates/rinos?
 
You gotta realize it’s also the reason he’s so popular. He speaks plainly and says what he means.

But the Left MSM makes any Republican into an evil person. They made milquetoast Romney into a Batman villain.
It's true. It makes him (wildly, almost religiously popular) with 43-45% of the voting public. They love him and will turn out.

They also will not do anything different if he is "on-message" for the next 90 days and just focuses his messages to things that count for the 10-100,000 independents in three states who will decide this election. For example, if Trump does not blast Kamala for his perceived "code-switching" every week will @Capt Ron 1 say, like a Muslim voter in Michigan over Israel's policy, "well that does it. Trump has not lit into Kamala's race this week therefore I am sitting this out....". Come on.

Now - there are categories of "RINO". Kessinger - true RINO. Liz Chaney - true RINO. They will vote for open borders and Kamala to get continued appeasement and access to the media and political class over where there issues should be. Romney sits somewhat close in there.

But McConnell? Kelly Anne? Bill O'Reilly? At some point, to Theo's point, you have to appeal to that final 5% of voters.
 
But the Left MSM makes any Republican into an evil person. They made milquetoast Romney into a Batman villain.
There is some truth to that. No question.

You gotta go hard on core issues: Immigration, Inflation and Crime and then the rest decide is it, Theo to your point, worth losing an election over the ability to, for example, go off and rant at a rally, go to the NBJC or a federal ban of abortion. On the latter, btw, Trump scrapped it and thus (to the extent he can at this point) neutralize it as an issue.

This is the heart of discipline. Picking your shots.

Do you waiver when Jonathan Karl says, "are you going to deport 16M people who came over illegally?" Nope. You deport them. Do you call Kamala "low intelligence" - nope. Only hurts you with the 10-100,000 people who matter at this point.
 
It's true. It makes him (wildly, almost religiously popular) with 43-45% of the voting public. They love him and will turn out.

They also will not do anything different if he is "on-message" for the next 90 days and just focuses his messages to things that count for the 10-100,000 independents in three states who will decide this election. For example, if Trump does not blast Kamala for his perceived "code-switching" every week will @Capt Ron 1 say, like a Muslim voter in Michigan over Israel's policy, "well that does it. Trump has not lit into Kamala's race this week therefore I am sitting this out....". Come on.

Now - there are categories of "RINO". Kessinger - true RINO. Liz Chaney - true RINO. They will vote for open borders and Kamala to get continued appeasement and access to the media and political class over where there issues should be. Romney sits somewhat close in there.

But McConnell? Kelly Anne? Bill O'Reilly? At some point, to Theo's point, you have to appeal to that final 5% of voters.
You try to appease the MAGA contingent on here far too much. Liz Chaney voted with Trump on everything when he was president.

She is a RINO to them because she decided to tell the truth about all the stuff that happened at the end of his term......instead of giving up her self respect to go along with all the bullshit. She wouldn't bend the knee, so she was banished.
 
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I made the same mistake for 2-3 decades. I thought liberals were idiots. How could they possibly think their ideas were going to keep America strong and secure?

Turns out, liberals aren't stupid......they're anti-American. They are voting the way they do because they want traditionally strong and secure America to crumble.
So in turn they are stupid.
 
Unfortunately - with the shift in the polls, they were. Before Biden was removed, Trump was up by 3-5. He is now down by 3-5.

He is pissing off the wrong people, very unnecessarily, and not maintaining his lead.

Bill O'Reilly has said this at multiple points, he continues to focus on personal grievances versus hitting hard, in a focused way, on the issues. Kellyanne Conway said the exact same thing on Larry Kudlow's show. Her line/guidance to Trump: "need insights, not insults".

If you categorize Bill and Kellyanne as "RINOs", and I have my own personal set of issues with each, then the right will never win an election again. Ben Shapiro and Megan Kelly have provided variances of the same theme.

Pissing off this person's friends because Trump is a "racist" is an unforced error. The 10 to 100,000 swing voters in 3-6 states could care less about her identity - unless, you make it an issue. Continuing to press "grievances" around 2020 against a candidate no longer in the race plays into the MSM saying, "you vote for Trump, you are in bed with conspiracy theorists. Is that what YOU want to known as?"

Spurrier is a good analog here. We loved Spurrier because he WON. His comments were a plus. They were not the primary appeal.

They care about: Immigration, Inflation (due to money supply, unchecked government spending and spending expansion, regulations, and labor unions*) and Crime.

The MSM is of course, as Ben S. noted, the "Praetorian Guard" here and protecting Kamala and putting every syllable from Trump under exceptional "scrutiny and spin".bro
Bro, I hate to tell you, that's fake news. Trump is still leading in locked in red states, and the majority of swing states. Check Rassmussen. (sp)? It was always going to be close whether it was the pant's shitter or whoremella. The Dims could sell bullshit and call it chocolate ice cream and 40% of the country would lap it up. Your average American is blissfully ignorant, all they see is MSM.
 
You try to appease the MAGA contingent on here far too much. Liz Chaney voted with Trump on everything when he was president.

She is a RINO to them because she decided to tell the truth about all the stuff that happened at the end of his term......instead of giving up her self respect to go along with all the bullshit. She wouldn't bend the knee, so she was banished.
Why do you think Pelosi would only let those two “Republicans” on that improperly formed J6 committee?
 
You try to appease the MAGA contingent on here far too much. Liz Chaney voted with Trump on everything when he was president.

She is a RINO to them because she decided to tell the truth about all the stuff that happened at the end of his term......instead of giving up her self respect to go along with all the bullshit. She wouldn't bend the knee, so she was banished.
Trying to figure out if you are really dumb enough to believe this garbage. I am thinking you are.
 
It's true. It makes him (wildly, almost religiously popular) with 43-45% of the voting public. They love him and will turn out.

They also will not do anything different if he is "on-message" for the next 90 days and just focuses his messages to things that count for the 10-100,000 independents in three states who will decide this election. For example, if Trump does not blast Kamala for his perceived "code-switching" every week will @Capt Ron 1 say, like a Muslim voter in Michigan over Israel's policy, "well that does it. Trump has not lit into Kamala's race this week therefore I am sitting this out....". Come on.

Now - there are categories of "RINO". Kessinger - true RINO. Liz Chaney - true RINO. They will vote for open borders and Kamala to get continued appeasement and access to the media and political class over where there issues should be. Romney sits somewhat close in there.

But McConnell? Kelly Anne? Bill O'Reilly? At some point, to Theo's point, you have to appeal to that final 5% of voters.
If those “independents” just seemed to care about stolen valor, illegal lockdowns, crippling inflation, billions of dollars of military equipment left in Afghanistan in the most embarrassing military withdrawal in American history, proposed free Medicare for everyone including illegal aliens that will be paid for by REAL Americans, open borders, interest rates that keep young people from being able to buy a home, using the courts to do their political bidding! Damn those mean tweets. You my friend are blind in many cases to what SHOULD matter. You are trying to stay “independent” if you really believe this stuff. People like you describe need to ask themselves how this Country will survive a MSM (93% of all news) that tries to control the elections, instead of reporting the real news. Mean things he says? Where does that really fall in to the picture compared to what I mentioned above? Listen, ANYONE that cannot distinguish the difference in what I mention above to ME has serious issues with reality. They are a danger to Americans keeping their freedoms.
 
You try to appease the MAGA contingent on here far too much. Liz Chaney voted with Trump on everything when he was president.

She is a RINO to them because she decided to tell the truth about all the stuff that happened at the end of his term......instead of giving up her self respect to go along with all the bullshit. She wouldn't bend the knee, so she was banished.
As an FYI, I don't try to appease anyone. Russell has called me a RINO and other "descriptive" adjectives at points.

I have a core set of beliefs and a general desire to pursue the truth and separate the laws of physics from those of politics and control.

If Kamala were to:

1. Shut down the border
2. At most allow illegals to work, but never vote become citizens. If they cannot gain legitimate employment, then they are returned.
3. Adopt a sane fiscal policy (read: no immediate healthcare for illegals)
4. Increase taxes above incomes of $5M and decrease the debt
5. Push and verbalize for more police presence and funding
6. Continued robust anti-trust enforcement under Lina Khan (she is a shining star of the Biden administration in the view of a diverse group including Bernie, Matt Gaetz, AOC and...JD Vance
7. Intelligent America first policies on trade, infrastructure and even the chips act (we need to de-risk Taiwan)
8. Balanced view on Unions where if there is oligopoly or monopsony power (yes, I used "monopsony" specifically), then the Union may have a place. Focus more on raising wages for working class while being mindful of inflation through increases in wages versus appeasing union control structures. Unions also need to be incented and paid on outcomes including safety, efficiency and quality. They should earn bonuses for that. They should get shared issued through stock buybacks. What happened with the Teacher's Union in 2021 disproportionately hurt the black and brown communities.
9. Celebrate multi-lateral diversity and inclusion. Stay focused on effort applied and meritocracy.
10. Celebrate American Exceptionalism; drive choice and freedom (which to me yes, applies to Abortion policy). Yes, this is an anti-Marxist world-view.

Finally, #11, as someone of partial Jewish heritage, stout defense of the Jewish homeland.

I would support.

Do I trust Kamala to do that based on her record as: a) VP, b) Senator and c) AG ?

No.

I see no evidence that she would do the above outside of #6, some of #7 and a part of #10. We will see on the #11. She might to a part of $4, but certainly not at that high of a threshold. At best, she scores a 30-35% against that rubric.

But if she did the above, I would support her and could care less about how she identifies or celebrates her cultures on her parent's side. She is savvy and intelligent. (her "word salad" problems is that she tries to balance, in real time, every political calculation and put together sentences and phrases which try to achieve this "balance"). I care about her policies.

I happen to enjoy the dialogue on this board and find it interestingly correlated to the discussions at the national level where I read and view a broad set of inputs including CNBC, WSJ, The Hill, All-In-Podcast, NBC (Lester Holt only), Face the Nation, NYT and NYT Deal Book (Andrew Ross Sorkin) and at times, the Atlantic. (it's always beautifully written, even when it's opinions come to very different points and conclusions than my own)

One of the most insightful "takes" on me was by Ghost when he said that I reminded him of Jack Kemp. I read Jack when I was 8 or 9. If you want to know why I try my best to maintain a respectful and empathetic dialogue with Kalim, look to that formative experience.

Am I trying to appease anyone? No. And certainly not intentionally. I will likely never meet any of you in person in my lifetime.
If those “independents” just seemed to care about stolen valor, illegal lockdowns, crippling inflation, billions of dollars of military equipment left in Afghanistan in the most embarrassing military withdrawal in American history, proposed free Medicare for everyone including illegal aliens that will be paid for by REAL Americans, open borders, interest rates that keep young people from being able to buy a home, using the courts to do their political bidding! Damn those mean tweets. You my friend are blind in many cases to what SHOULD matter. You are trying to stay “independent” if you really believe this stuff. People like you describe need to ask themselves how this Country will survive a MSM (93% of all news) that tries to control the elections, instead of reporting the real news. Mean things he says? Where does that really fall in to the picture compared to what I mentioned above? Listen, ANYONE that cannot distinguish the difference in what I mention above to ME has serious issues with reality. They are a danger to Americans keeping their freedoms.
Captain - I agree with what you said above. In your list, how often did race or name calling come in? Zero.

Again, zero.

Compare it also with my list above. The only pieces I missed was the weaponization of the courts and the feebleness of our government institutions such as in Afghanistan. I agree with both of the items you said. I would also add in the potential assassination.

Also note my comments. Have I ever said that i was going to vote for Biden or Kamala? No. Never. Due to those things and most especially (for the 5,800x time) when you allow 11M people to come over the border to pursue discrete demographic and electoral change, you have lost my vote.

What I have is that when Trump becomes undisciplined, note that it is on topics that are NOT on the list you have. You list 8 items. There are probably another 8.

You hammer those again, and again, and again. Anything else is a distraction and a way to LOSE a vote.

My note on discipline goes back years. If literally Trump would cut his speech by 30 minutes whether at the RNC or on the stump, he would be far better off. He doesn't need to do anything per se, just don't do stuff and play more golf with Bryan (forget dude's last name).
 
Again, how does he do that?

The MSM is going to make him a monster no matter what he does. They’ve done it with every R candidate in my lifetime.

If he cowtows to them they’ll still make him a monster and he won’t be as popular with his base, losing on both. At least by being authentic he keeps a strong (and growing) base.

Again, no R expanded their votes or ever got close to 75MM votes. He seems to be getting enough votes to win a fair election.
Scroll up further into the thread, I said the same thing and have been saying it since Trump came down the elevator. They would trash talk Jesus Christ himself, so why not offer them the guillotine rather than an olive branch? At least with the former, some of them are dumb enough to accept the deal. :rolleyes: 😂
 
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As an FYI, I don't try to appease anyone. Russell has called me a RINO and other "descriptive" adjectives at points.

I have a core set of beliefs and a general desire to pursue the truth and separate the laws of physics from those of politics and control.

If Kamala were to:

1. Shut down the border
2. At most allow illegals to work, but never vote become citizens. If they cannot gain legitimate employment, then they are returned.
3. Adopt a sane fiscal policy (read: no immediate healthcare for illegals)
4. Increase taxes above incomes of $5M and decrease the debt
5. Push and verbalize for more police presence and funding
6. Continued robust anti-trust enforcement under Lina Khan (she is a shining star of the Biden administration in the view of a diverse group including Bernie, Matt Gaetz, AOC and...JD Vance
7. Intelligent America first policies on trade, infrastructure and even the chips act (we need to de-risk Taiwan)
8. Balanced view on Unions where if there is oligopoly or monopsony power (yes, I used "monopsony" specifically), then the Union may have a place. Focus more on raising wages for working class while being mindful of inflation through increases in wages versus appeasing union control structures. Unions also need to be incented and paid on outcomes including safety, efficiency and quality. They should earn bonuses for that. They should get shared issued through stock buybacks. What happened with the Teacher's Union in 2021 disproportionately hurt the black and brown communities.
9. Celebrate multi-lateral diversity and inclusion. Stay focused on effort applied and meritocracy.
10. Celebrate American Exceptionalism; drive choice and freedom (which to me yes, applies to Abortion policy). Yes, this is an anti-Marxist world-view.

Finally, #11, as someone of partial Jewish heritage, stout defense of the Jewish homeland.

I would support.

Do I trust Kamala to do that based on her record as: a) VP, b) Senator and c) AG ?

No.

I see no evidence that she would do the above outside of #6, some of #7 and a part of #10. We will see on the #11. She might to a part of $4, but certainly not at that high of a threshold. At best, she scores a 30-35% against that rubric.

But if she did the above, I would support her and could care less about how she identifies or celebrates her cultures on her parent's side. She is savvy and intelligent. (her "word salad" problems is that she tries to balance, in real time, every political calculation and put together sentences and phrases which try to achieve this "balance"). I care about her policies.

I happen to enjoy the dialogue on this board and find it interestingly correlated to the discussions at the national level where I read and view a broad set of inputs including CNBC, WSJ, The Hill, All-In-Podcast, NBC (Lester Holt only), Face the Nation, NYT and NYT Deal Book (Andrew Ross Sorkin) and at times, the Atlantic. (it's always beautifully written, even when it's opinions come to very different points and conclusions than my own)

One of the most insightful "takes" on me was by Ghost when he said that I reminded him of Jack Kemp. I read Jack when I was 8 or 9. If you want to know why I try my best to maintain a respectful and empathetic dialogue with Kalim, look to that formative experience.

Am I trying to appease anyone? No. And certainly not intentionally. I will likely never meet any of you in person in my lifetime.

Captain - I agree with what you said above. In your list, how often did race or name calling come in? Zero.

Again, zero.

Compare it also with my list above. The only pieces I missed was the weaponization of the courts and the feebleness of our government institutions such as in Afghanistan. I agree with both of the items you said. I would also add in the potential assassination.

Also note my comments. Have I ever said that i was going to vote for Biden or Kamala? No. Never. Due to those things and most especially (for the 5,800x time) when you allow 11M people to come over the border to pursue discrete demographic and electoral change, you have lost my vote.

What I have is that when Trump becomes undisciplined, note that it is on topics that are NOT on the list you have. You list 8 items. There are probably another 8.

You hammer those again, and again, and again. Anything else is a distraction and a way to LOSE a vote.

My note on discipline goes back years. If literally Trump would cut his speech by 30 minutes whether at the RNC or on the stump, he would be far better off. He doesn't need to do anything per se, just don't do stuff and play more golf with Bryan (forget dude's last name).
Why should it? Not following. When you do good for ALL of America..it does not exclude other races. Secondly....can you tell me what the left had done that is so great for blacks in the past 50 years? I would love to know their accomplishments. We HAVE to get the HELL OFF of bringing race in to everything we do. In America..there is NOWHERE where we are promised equity...it is EQUALITY. HUGE difference between the two. My point is are the things you mention, and now bring up here even CLOSE to what I did? Even abortion is a non starter anymore.
 
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As an FYI, I don't try to appease anyone. Russell has called me a RINO and other "descriptive" adjectives at points.

I have a core set of beliefs and a general desire to pursue the truth and separate the laws of physics from those of politics and control.

If Kamala were to:

1. Shut down the border
2. At most allow illegals to work, but never vote become citizens. If they cannot gain legitimate employment, then they are returned.
3. Adopt a sane fiscal policy (read: no immediate healthcare for illegals)
4. Increase taxes above incomes of $5M and decrease the debt
5. Push and verbalize for more police presence and funding
6. Continued robust anti-trust enforcement under Lina Khan (she is a shining star of the Biden administration in the view of a diverse group including Bernie, Matt Gaetz, AOC and...JD Vance
7. Intelligent America first policies on trade, infrastructure and even the chips act (we need to de-risk Taiwan)
8. Balanced view on Unions where if there is oligopoly or monopsony power (yes, I used "monopsony" specifically), then the Union may have a place. Focus more on raising wages for working class while being mindful of inflation through increases in wages versus appeasing union control structures. Unions also need to be incented and paid on outcomes including safety, efficiency and quality. They should earn bonuses for that. They should get shared issued through stock buybacks. What happened with the Teacher's Union in 2021 disproportionately hurt the black and brown communities.
9. Celebrate multi-lateral diversity and inclusion. Stay focused on effort applied and meritocracy.
10. Celebrate American Exceptionalism; drive choice and freedom (which to me yes, applies to Abortion policy). Yes, this is an anti-Marxist world-view.

Finally, #11, as someone of partial Jewish heritage, stout defense of the Jewish homeland.

I would support.

Do I trust Kamala to do that based on her record as: a) VP, b) Senator and c) AG ?

No.

I see no evidence that she would do the above outside of #6, some of #7 and a part of #10. We will see on the #11. She might to a part of $4, but certainly not at that high of a threshold. At best, she scores a 30-35% against that rubric.

But if she did the above, I would support her and could care less about how she identifies or celebrates her cultures on her parent's side. She is savvy and intelligent. (her "word salad" problems is that she tries to balance, in real time, every political calculation and put together sentences and phrases which try to achieve this "balance"). I care about her policies.

I happen to enjoy the dialogue on this board and find it interestingly correlated to the discussions at the national level where I read and view a broad set of inputs including CNBC, WSJ, The Hill, All-In-Podcast, NBC (Lester Holt only), Face the Nation, NYT and NYT Deal Book (Andrew Ross Sorkin) and at times, the Atlantic. (it's always beautifully written, even when it's opinions come to very different points and conclusions than my own)

One of the most insightful "takes" on me was by Ghost when he said that I reminded him of Jack Kemp. I read Jack when I was 8 or 9. If you want to know why I try my best to maintain a respectful and empathetic dialogue with Kalim, look to that formative experience.

Am I trying to appease anyone? No. And certainly not intentionally. I will likely never meet any of you in person in my lifetime.

Captain - I agree with what you said above. In your list, how often did race or name calling come in? Zero.

Again, zero.

Compare it also with my list above. The only pieces I missed was the weaponization of the courts and the feebleness of our government institutions such as in Afghanistan. I agree with both of the items you said. I would also add in the potential assassination.

Also note my comments. Have I ever said that i was going to vote for Biden or Kamala? No. Never. Due to those things and most especially (for the 5,800x time) when you allow 11M people to come over the border to pursue discrete demographic and electoral change, you have lost my vote.

What I have is that when Trump becomes undisciplined, note that it is on topics that are NOT on the list you have. You list 8 items. There are probably another 8.

You hammer those again, and again, and again. Anything else is a distraction and a way to LOSE a vote.


My note on discipline goes back years. If literally Trump would cut his speech by 30 minutes whether at the RNC or on the stump, he would be far better off. He doesn't need to do anything per se, just don't do stuff and play more golf with Bryan (forget dude's last name).
I never tried to insinuate who you vote for...really was talking about the people you are talking about. WHY something so UNIMPORTANT means so much to them. And sure...IF the other side had a decent person that was CLOSE to how Trump rans/ran the Country...I agree...it would hurt. But you have 100% TOTAL LYING TRASH since 2012 on the democratic ticket. Hillary? LOLOL FJB???? LOLOL Now someone more progressive that F'N BERNIE SANDERS telling lies EVERY DAY about how she is not a moderate! In other words...one side getting held accountable for mean tweets. One side NOT being held accountable for all mentioned above.
 
Scroll up further into the thread, I said the same thing and have been saying it since Trump came down the elevator. They would trash talk Jesus Christ himself, so why not offer them the guillotine rather than an olive branch? At least with the former, some of them are dumb enough to accept the deal. :rolleyes: 😂
The reason Trump is so popular is because he’s the first Conservative that actually punches back.

Conservatives asking him to stop punching don’t understand the movement he started.
 
I never tried to insinuate who you vote for...really was talking about the people you are talking about. WHY something so UNIMPORTANT means so much to them. And sure...IF the other side had a decent person that was CLOSE to how Trump rans/ran the Country...I agree...it would hurt. But you have 100% TOTAL LYING TRASH since 2012 on the democratic ticket. Hillary? LOLOL FJB???? LOLOL Now someone more progressive that F'N BERNIE SANDERS telling lies EVERY DAY about how she is not a moderate! In other words...one side getting held accountable for mean tweets. One side NOT being held accountable for all mentioned above.
Understand. And yes, as Ben Shapiro calls it, the "MSM Praetorian Guard" is now on, per Dana Perino last night, day 23 of no hard questions to Kamala and her team, a team, that has the nomination without going through a Primary.
 
The reason Trump is so popular is because he’s the first Conservative that actually punches back.

Conservatives asking him to stop punching don’t understand the movement he started.
No one is saying, "don't punch back".

No one.

We are saying, "do it on things that matter to voters".

It's that simple.
 
As an FYI, I don't try to appease anyone. Russell has called me a RINO and other "descriptive" adjectives at points.

I have a core set of beliefs and a general desire to pursue the truth and separate the laws of physics from those of politics and control.

If Kamala were to:

1. Shut down the border
2. At most allow illegals to work, but never vote become citizens. If they cannot gain legitimate employment, then they are returned.
3. Adopt a sane fiscal policy (read: no immediate healthcare for illegals)
4. Increase taxes above incomes of $5M and decrease the debt
5. Push and verbalize for more police presence and funding
6. Continued robust anti-trust enforcement under Lina Khan (she is a shining star of the Biden administration in the view of a diverse group including Bernie, Matt Gaetz, AOC and...JD Vance
7. Intelligent America first policies on trade, infrastructure and even the chips act (we need to de-risk Taiwan)
8. Balanced view on Unions where if there is oligopoly or monopsony power (yes, I used "monopsony" specifically), then the Union may have a place. Focus more on raising wages for working class while being mindful of inflation through increases in wages versus appeasing union control structures. Unions also need to be incented and paid on outcomes including safety, efficiency and quality. They should earn bonuses for that. They should get shared issued through stock buybacks. What happened with the Teacher's Union in 2021 disproportionately hurt the black and brown communities.
9. Celebrate multi-lateral diversity and inclusion. Stay focused on effort applied and meritocracy.
10. Celebrate American Exceptionalism; drive choice and freedom (which to me yes, applies to Abortion policy). Yes, this is an anti-Marxist world-view.

Finally, #11, as someone of partial Jewish heritage, stout defense of the Jewish homeland.

I would support.

Do I trust Kamala to do that based on her record as: a) VP, b) Senator and c) AG ?

No.

I see no evidence that she would do the above outside of #6, some of #7 and a part of #10. We will see on the #11. She might to a part of $4, but certainly not at that high of a threshold. At best, she scores a 30-35% against that rubric.

But if she did the above, I would support her and could care less about how she identifies or celebrates her cultures on her parent's side. She is savvy and intelligent. (her "word salad" problems is that she tries to balance, in real time, every political calculation and put together sentences and phrases which try to achieve this "balance"). I care about her policies.

I happen to enjoy the dialogue on this board and find it interestingly correlated to the discussions at the national level where I read and view a broad set of inputs including CNBC, WSJ, The Hill, All-In-Podcast, NBC (Lester Holt only), Face the Nation, NYT and NYT Deal Book (Andrew Ross Sorkin) and at times, the Atlantic. (it's always beautifully written, even when it's opinions come to very different points and conclusions than my own)

One of the most insightful "takes" on me was by Ghost when he said that I reminded him of Jack Kemp. I read Jack when I was 8 or 9. If you want to know why I try my best to maintain a respectful and empathetic dialogue with Kalim, look to that formative experience.

Am I trying to appease anyone? No. And certainly not intentionally. I will likely never meet any of you in person in my lifetime.

Captain - I agree with what you said above. In your list, how often did race or name calling come in? Zero.

Again, zero.

Compare it also with my list above. The only pieces I missed was the weaponization of the courts and the feebleness of our government institutions such as in Afghanistan. I agree with both of the items you said. I would also add in the potential assassination.

Also note my comments. Have I ever said that i was going to vote for Biden or Kamala? No. Never. Due to those things and most especially (for the 5,800x time) when you allow 11M people to come over the border to pursue discrete demographic and electoral change, you have lost my vote.

What I have is that when Trump becomes undisciplined, note that it is on topics that are NOT on the list you have. You list 8 items. There are probably another 8.

You hammer those again, and again, and again. Anything else is a distraction and a way to LOSE a vote.

My note on discipline goes back years. If literally Trump would cut his speech by 30 minutes whether at the RNC or on the stump, he would be far better off. He doesn't need to do anything per se, just don't do stuff and play more golf with Bryan (forget dude's last name).
Long post, but you didn't address my point. WHY do YOU think Liz Cheney is a RINO?
 
Understand. And yes, as Ben Shapiro calls it, the "MSM Praetorian Guard" is now on, per Dana Perino last night, day 23 of no hard questions to Kamala and her team, a team, that has the nomination without going through a Primary.
Wondering what Questions Trump got the first 23 days he was a candidate?

Obviously the circumstances are different, but the point is that 23 days isn't very much time. She will get asked and she will be in at least one debate where she will be asked. I think its reasonable that a "new" candidate needs some time to set their own policies and how they are going to address issues. This all came on her quickly. She isn't going to be in lock step with what Biden wanted.

Not going through a primary can be as harmful as it is beneficial. Most candidates get their weaknesses flushed out in the primary's so they are prepared once the general starts. Like a college basketball team playing a tough non-conference schedule to get ready for the tournaments.

What should be concerning is that apparently MAGA folks think a candidate who does nothing or hides in their basement can beat Trump. If that is true then Trump SHOULD lose.
 
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Wondering what Questions Trump got the first 23 days he was a candidate?

Obviously the circumstances are different, but the point is that 23 days isn't very much time. She will get asked and she will be in at least one debate where she will be asked. I think its reasonable that a "new" candidate needs some time to set their own policies and how they are going to address issues. This all came on her quickly. She isn't going to be in lock step with what Biden wanted.

Not going through a primary can be as harmful as it is beneficial. Most candidates get their weaknesses flushed out in the primary's so they are prepared once the general starts. Like a college basketball team playing a tough non-conference schedule to get ready for the tournaments.

What should be concerning is that apparently MAGA folks think a candidate who does nothing or hides in their basement can beat Trump. If that is true then Trump SHOULD lose.
I keep hearing how qualified Kamala is, time as a Senator, AG and VP. So if she's got so much good experience why does she need time to "set her policies"?

Shouldn't a candidate "set their policies" and use those policy positions to win over voters? Oh, that's right, no one actually voted for her.

And when she did run for POTUS she was last in a really weak field of candidates...even clownshow Beto stayed in longer. You think maybe THAT'S the reason her website still has no policies?

Trump had a platform from the moment he descended that golden escalator - he was spitting policy from the absolute first second he announced he was running...without ever having been a politician. Kamala has been a politician nearly her entire adult life and she has to figure out what she stands for? You cannot be this dumb.

And the "basement" strategy only "works" (it doesn't really work, they stole the last election) because the media, pop culture, 3 letter agencies, The Swamp...ALL support expanding gov't control and taking freedom away from the individual. She has EVERYTHING behind her and she's still losing in most polls.
 
I keep hearing how qualified Kamala is, time as a Senator, AG and VP. So if she's got so much good experience why does she need time to "set her policies"?

Shouldn't a candidate "set their policies" and use those policy positions to win over voters? Oh, that's right, no one actually voted for her.

And when she did run for POTUS she was last in a really weak field of candidates...even clownshow Beto stayed in longer. You think maybe THAT'S the reason her website still has no policies?

Trump had a platform from the moment he descended that golden escalator - he was spitting policy from the absolute first second he announced he was running...without ever having been a politician. Kamala has been a politician nearly her entire adult life and she has to figure out what she stands for? You cannot be this dumb.

And the "basement" strategy only "works" (it doesn't really work, they stole the last election) because the media, pop culture, 3 letter agencies, The Swamp...ALL support expanding gov't control and taking freedom away from the individual. She has EVERYTHING behind her and she's still losing in most polls.
I was saying back in 2020, that if the right was going to say, "stop the steal" - focus on the real actors, the media. You are also right on the pop culture, 3 letter agencies, etc.

For 2024, with the "coup" (lowercase "c") of Joe Biden, when the media turned on him post debate, it was over. It was one of the most remarkable things I have ever seen. We are now on day 23/24 of Kamala taking no hard questions. Essentially two months of a fundamental shift and highlighting how powerful the media is with swing, lower information voters. Again, simply remarkable.

Vivek said, and he is right, that from Kamala's point of view, a basement strategy is a smart one. Why give the press something to tear you up over.

Where Nikki Haley lost it for me (again) is that she said that Trump and the right should not be focused on the media and them abdicating their duty. If you want "RINO" behavior - there you go.

They ABSOLUTELY should be focused on that, and note that it has NOTHING to do with Race, Gender, Intelligence, etc. It is about the Media doing its job and getting citizens to wake up and force CNN and others to do exactly that.
 
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