There’s no spin. I’m simply saying just subtracting Florida’s players and saying we would be ranked 15th in a vacuum makes no sense because it’s not taking into account other teams and who they’ve lost. all you’re doing is recalculating Florida’s score while leaving everybody else’s the same. You’d need to readjust for every team since the rankings isn’t just your point totals but your totals in relation to other teams also. Like for example Auburn finished 11th, two spots behind us, and has already lost two, so they’d drop down in points too. It’s basic math and a simple point, nobody is trying to spin anything.
2019 recruits actually qualifying/making it to UF for the season...
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There’s no spin. I’m simply saying just subtracting Florida’s players and saying we would be ranked 15th in a vacuum makes no sense because it’s not taking into account other teams and who they’ve lost. all you’re doing is recalculating Florida’s score while leaving everybody else’s the same. You’d need to readjust for every team since the rankings isn’t just your point totals but your totals in relation to other teams also. Like for example Auburn finished 11th, two spots behind us, and has already lost two, so they’d drop down in points too. It’s basic math and a simple point, nobody is trying to spin anything.
RE:Tennessee's attrition in the 2019 class
One incoming 3* Freshman O/G was found to have a heart defect that caused him to be given a Medical R/S. He qualified easily but when going through S&C course, the team doctors discovered the defect..
One 3* S from North Carolina - Anthony Harris never signed on NLOI Day so unlike all the Florida recruits, he will NOT count against the 85 number UNLESS he manages to get his dumb ass to qualify.
That is if the coaches still take him. As experienced as Mullen is, one would think he would have the sense to do the same with so many obviously marginal players so as not to lose the scholarship AND have those count against the 85 limit if they do not qualify.
That's it. 10 of the incoming Freshmen were EE'S along with the two transfers. Those 12 took part in Spring Training. The remaining 8 enrolled during the early summer enrollment period, are taking their classes and going through the S&C program. The Medical R/S will get his scholarship guaranteed ( it will not count against the 85 limit)and I hope he takes advantage of the free education and lives a normal life away from football.
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I would guess he is waiting on a qualifying test score myself like Marks. I have a hard time believing he is just going to miss all of Summer B instead of being a few days late for a family issue.
Yea I’m not buying the family issue BS.
The thing to keep in mind is our admin is notoriously difficult. How many times have we been able to take some guys because of something simple like a math credit but then they’d get into other schools no problem? Henderson had some issues during the season and I think transferred a couple times. Wouldn’t shock me if they’re holding him up for that reason even if he may have met NCAA requirements.
I haven't recalculated anything. I simply listed the players we've lost or could lose and put the composite 247Sports score next to their names. The article written by Adam Silverstein is where the drop to #15 in the rankings is mentioned, not me. And he says in the article that that ranking does not take into account what other teams have gained or lost. A poster above said that Tennessee has only lost 2 three star guys. USC picked up Chris Steele, which will bump their ranking. You are correct that no one has a truly accurate ranking unless all the schools are recalculated based on players they gained or lost. But I highly doubt that any other Top 15 team has lost as many players as Florida. 4 so far and possibly 7, including the top-rated player in the class. We are the only team in the Top 14 of recruiting rankings without a single 5 star player, we've lost our highest rated recruit and another 4 star as they transferred out AFTER enrolling in school in January. Then, of the 5 who didn't enroll early, the #8 & #9 highest rated kids in the signing class didn't qualify and are going JUCO, while #7, #16 & #19 may not qualify. While time will tell, no doubt, what kind of impact it will have on the team, going from 25 to 21 to possibly as low as 18 cannot in any way be viewed as a good thing. Not time to panic either, but it does show that the coaches maybe signed too many kids with borderline academics (5) and either had bad luck or made mistakes in judgment in signing Steele & Jones. The focus hereafter and appropriately will be on the 18-21 kids that are actually practicing with the team next month, but the coaches also should do some re-evaluating of the 2020 commitments and others they are trying to sign to make sure the same thing doesn't happen with that class.
I understood it wasn’t you recalculating anything. I was referring to the article and what they did. We agree on everything else.
Getting a 4-5 star rating isn't what makes a recruit a good player.
Good players exist whether any service recognizes or identifies them.
There are 3 Star 1st rounders and 5 star F/A's or total busts....
Coaches jobs depend on them finding the right guys for their own school and team.
Class rankings don't mean squat. When a service correctly recognizes the quality of recruits on a team, it's got nothing to do with that team being successful or not. All phases of the coaching does.
Those that rank recruits can flip coins, and looking at the wide range of their various rankings, makes it look a lot like that's what they are often doing.
Coaches have to accurately predict the raw talent and the coach-ability of their choices in order to keep their jobs.
The kids citizenship, social skills, and their individual work in the classroom will determine if they can make the team and can stay eligible to compete.
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What's the difference between an 18 class that all make it in, and a 25 class where 5-6 don't?
When a HS recruit fails to enter class by Sept, doesn't that open doors for JuCo's and Grad-xfers?
When 5-6 don't make it in in one class, doesn't that open a door for EE's in the next class to fill the holes?
Talking Season lives on 'drama-queen' fodder, just remember to not give the yap, yap, yap, any more credit than it's due.... That leads to village idiot cliff jumpers and their lemmings....
Good players exist whether any service recognizes or identifies them.
There are 3 Star 1st rounders and 5 star F/A's or total busts....
Coaches jobs depend on them finding the right guys for their own school and team.
Class rankings don't mean squat. When a service correctly recognizes the quality of recruits on a team, it's got nothing to do with that team being successful or not. All phases of the coaching does.
Those that rank recruits can flip coins, and looking at the wide range of their various rankings, makes it look a lot like that's what they are often doing.
Coaches have to accurately predict the raw talent and the coach-ability of their choices in order to keep their jobs.
The kids citizenship, social skills, and their individual work in the classroom will determine if they can make the team and can stay eligible to compete.
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What's the difference between an 18 class that all make it in, and a 25 class where 5-6 don't?
When a HS recruit fails to enter class by Sept, doesn't that open doors for JuCo's and Grad-xfers?
When 5-6 don't make it in in one class, doesn't that open a door for EE's in the next class to fill the holes?
Talking Season lives on 'drama-queen' fodder, just remember to not give the yap, yap, yap, any more credit than it's due.... That leads to village idiot cliff jumpers and their lemmings....
Yep that is why McWilliams was getting burned in multiple games in 2018 because he was so far down the depth chart. He will be the 4th (a 2nd string) CB right now until the true freshmen step up.
That would be good news, We're deep at WR, but you can never have enough good ones, especially building depth down the road.
Anyway,,, who are they lining up against RIGHT NOW?
Incorrect fevered brains, consult the roster once in a while....
Star/CB Trey Dean III 6-3 194 So **** - Fr All SEC replacing injured Wilson.
Star/FS John Huggins 6-1 206 So **** - 2018 8 Gms, Fr backup FS & ST's.
CB C.J. Henderson 6-1 191 Jr **** - Fr/So All SEC- 2019 Preseason AA
CB Marco Wilson 6-0 190 rsSo **** - 2017 Fr All SEC - 2018 injured out.
Entering 2018 as Soph's, they were widely considered a Top 3 CB Combo.
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#6 CB/WR Kaiir Elam Fr **** - HS Coach was Eric Kresser, 40 offers.
#22 CB Chester Kimbrough Fr **** - La 4A State Champs
#32 CB Jaydon Hill 6-0 167 Fr **** - FL 7A 1st Team All State
Hill is an Early Enrollee that beat out Mc in the Spring.
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CB C.J. McWilliams 5-11 184 rsJr ***
2018 - Played in 9 Gms, 2 Career Starts and plays ST's
He is the 6th or 7th CB on the list, depending if you count Dean or not.
He is a good Gator, just not the most talented, much like BrianE.
I wish them both well, either as Gator backups or as xfers...
Both would likely be small D1 school starters.
Anyway,,, who are they lining up against RIGHT NOW?
Incorrect fevered brains, consult the roster once in a while....
Star/CB Trey Dean III 6-3 194 So **** - Fr All SEC replacing injured Wilson.
Star/FS John Huggins 6-1 206 So **** - 2018 8 Gms, Fr backup FS & ST's.
CB C.J. Henderson 6-1 191 Jr **** - Fr/So All SEC- 2019 Preseason AA
CB Marco Wilson 6-0 190 rsSo **** - 2017 Fr All SEC - 2018 injured out.
Entering 2018 as Soph's, they were widely considered a Top 3 CB Combo.
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#6 CB/WR Kaiir Elam Fr **** - HS Coach was Eric Kresser, 40 offers.
#22 CB Chester Kimbrough Fr **** - La 4A State Champs
#32 CB Jaydon Hill 6-0 167 Fr **** - FL 7A 1st Team All State
Hill is an Early Enrollee that beat out Mc in the Spring.
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CB C.J. McWilliams 5-11 184 rsJr ***
2018 - Played in 9 Gms, 2 Career Starts and plays ST's
He is the 6th or 7th CB on the list, depending if you count Dean or not.
He is a good Gator, just not the most talented, much like BrianE.
I wish them both well, either as Gator backups or as xfers...
Both would likely be small D1 school starters.
BS that is why he played when Henderson went down against GA? He would be the 4th CB pre-camp. Now I can see Elam etc passing him but that is the pecking order right now.
Show me these secret depth charts Mullen is putting out you have seen?
Only a dismal twit with a 'fevered brain' would think that's the only good news this 'talking season' but it's so typical of him anyway...
Only a dismal twit with a 'fevered brain' would think that's the only good news this 'talking season' but it's so typical of him anyway...
Depth Chart:
(Field Corneback)
C.J. Henderson, JR
C.J. McWilliams, RJR
Until camp...
You go ahead and stick to that sniveling and whining point, as weak as it is...
I'm going with who will actually start and rotate in to play when it matters.
Lost from the Gator's 2019 Recruiting Class:
QB Jalon Jones - Jackson St
CB Chris Steel - Ore, and then again to USCw
Two post-Spring dildo's that transferred out, and good riddance imo.
ILB Diwun Black
OG Deyavie Hammond
Two that failed to get their academic clearance to enroll, so JuCo's
Both are strong to the Gators and declared that they will return.
By then they will be more mature and developed on and off the field,,, to be leaders as upperclassmen Gators.
Didn't Dallas Baker do the same,,, and it turned out well for him and the Gators.
Three others have/had questions:
WR Arjei Henderson is cleared and now he's in.
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WR Dionte Marks - still needs academic clearance.
OL Wardrick Wilson - Bahamas - Green Card Status is in question?
So, of the 7 questionable's,,,,
2 are xfer gone permanently,
2 more are temporarily lost to JuCo for 2 years,
1 (AJ) is now in,
2 more are still possible. (in-out?)
~ Just me but I'm betting on Wilson for in, leaving Marks as the only question.
The 25 recruit Gator 2019 class is at 21, with 19 the worse case.
~ The 2018 Class :
~ UF had 18.
~ USCw had 19
~ Clemson had 17
~ Bama had 20
So if UF ends up with 21 or even 19, it's certainly not the end of the world.
There are many different ways to work around a 19-21 class...
Oh But The Dropping Class Ranking....
Screw the ranking, it's only important for the 'drama-queens' like the dog-poker anyway...
QB Jalon Jones - Jackson St
CB Chris Steel - Ore, and then again to USCw
Two post-Spring dildo's that transferred out, and good riddance imo.
ILB Diwun Black
OG Deyavie Hammond
Two that failed to get their academic clearance to enroll, so JuCo's
Both are strong to the Gators and declared that they will return.
By then they will be more mature and developed on and off the field,,, to be leaders as upperclassmen Gators.
Didn't Dallas Baker do the same,,, and it turned out well for him and the Gators.
Three others have/had questions:
WR Arjei Henderson is cleared and now he's in.
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WR Dionte Marks - still needs academic clearance.
OL Wardrick Wilson - Bahamas - Green Card Status is in question?
So, of the 7 questionable's,,,,
2 are xfer gone permanently,
2 more are temporarily lost to JuCo for 2 years,
1 (AJ) is now in,
2 more are still possible. (in-out?)
~ Just me but I'm betting on Wilson for in, leaving Marks as the only question.
The 25 recruit Gator 2019 class is at 21, with 19 the worse case.
~ The 2018 Class :
~ UF had 18.
~ USCw had 19
~ Clemson had 17
~ Bama had 20
So if UF ends up with 21 or even 19, it's certainly not the end of the world.
There are many different ways to work around a 19-21 class...
Oh But The Dropping Class Ranking....
Screw the ranking, it's only important for the 'drama-queens' like the dog-poker anyway...
Maybe Wilson should go to the border in Mexico and walk across with AOC!
INSTA: You are saying that Arej Henderson has been cleared and is in Gainesville. Other than an ambiguous tweet, I haven’t seen any official word on Henderson.
I think it's an assumption based on this Tweet yesterday:
Hendi @king_hendi
Dear Lord, Thank you!
3:18 PM - 8 Jul 2019
Correct WLG, we'll see but it seems like he's in.
Anyone have a yay or nay to contribute to the question?
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E-#44 WR Dionte Marks 6-0 180 **** - Deland, FL - 247-#47 - R-#56
Offers: UF, MsSt - FSU, UL, Cincy, UCF, Neb, WVa, FAU
HS Sr - 45 for 964 yds, 21.4 yds/rec, 10 TD's. - Also a kick returner.
Entry Date to UF 7-21-19 - Committed to UF, never took another visit.
Looks to me like the only one's that won't make it in for 2019 are:
The two dildos, Steele and J.Jones, and the 2 JuCo's that will likely be back in 2 years.
So much for all of that 'talking season' doom & gloom...
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Offers: UF, MsSt - FSU, UL, Cincy, UCF, Neb, WVa, FAU
HS Sr - 45 for 964 yds, 21.4 yds/rec, 10 TD's. - Also a kick returner.
Entry Date to UF 7-21-19 - Committed to UF, never took another visit.
Looks to me like the only one's that won't make it in for 2019 are:
The two dildos, Steele and J.Jones, and the 2 JuCo's that will likely be back in 2 years.
So much for all of that 'talking season' doom & gloom...
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RSF David Reese tears Achilles. Done for 2019:
https://247sports.com/college/flori...019-season-Florida-Gators-Football-133587582/
https://247sports.com/college/flori...019-season-Florida-Gators-Football-133587582/
Jus-damn! -- Good luck to David in his rehab.
"The former four-star recruit wasn't expected to make a major contribution this fall, but he was an intriguing athlete for the future."
Yes that's true, wasn't expected,,,, and he still will be in the future.
At least it's at the D's most loaded position for 2019, and it happened early instead of late in Fall practice.
-- Good luck to David in his rehab. "The former four-star recruit wasn't expected to make a major contribution this fall, but he was an intriguing athlete for the future."
Yes that's true, wasn't expected,,,, and he still will be in the future.
At least it's at the D's most loaded position for 2019, and it happened early instead of late in Fall practice.
Compare these 247 ratings...
2020 - Offers: UF-UA-LSU-AU-OK etc
#23 WR EJ Williams 6-3 188 **** 105/247 - Alabama
HS Jr - 40 for 668 yds, 16.7 yds/rec, 8 TD's
2019 - Gator Signed LOI -- Scheduled arrival at UF on 7-21-19.
#47 WR Dionte Marks 6-1 186 *** N-489 - Florida
HS Sr - 45 for 964 yds, 21.4 yds/rec, 10 TD's.- Excellent Return Man
Yep, I'm going with the coaches and my own lyin' eyes over any service rating...
2020 - Offers: UF-UA-LSU-AU-OK etc
#23 WR EJ Williams 6-3 188 **** 105/247 - Alabama
HS Jr - 40 for 668 yds, 16.7 yds/rec, 8 TD's
2019 - Gator Signed LOI -- Scheduled arrival at UF on 7-21-19.
#47 WR Dionte Marks 6-1 186 *** N-489 - Florida
HS Sr - 45 for 964 yds, 21.4 yds/rec, 10 TD's.- Excellent Return Man
Yep, I'm going with the coaches and my own lyin' eyes over any service rating...
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247Sports article from 7/10:
https://247sports.com/college/flori...e-Marks-announces-enrollment-date--133556783/
Covered this on another thread, but here it is again....
WR/KR Marks, through his Twitter account, said that he would be making the move to Gainesville in a few weeks, just before the start of fall camp and the fall semester. "Since everybody keep asking me I enroll on the 21st of this month."
Richmond (TX) Fort Bend Travis 4-star WR Arjei Henderson, who has also informed Swamp247 that he will be in Gainesville in a few weeks to enroll for the fall semester.
OL Wardrick Wilson, who had a snag with his visa as he is an out of the country resident from the Bahama's, should also be in by the Fall semester. He attended HS in Florida so the problem, whatever it is/was, should be cleared up soon.
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WR/KR Marks, through his Twitter account, said that he would be making the move to Gainesville in a few weeks, just before the start of fall camp and the fall semester. "Since everybody keep asking me I enroll on the 21st of this month."
Richmond (TX) Fort Bend Travis 4-star WR Arjei Henderson, who has also informed Swamp247 that he will be in Gainesville in a few weeks to enroll for the fall semester.
OL Wardrick Wilson, who had a snag with his visa as he is an out of the country resident from the Bahama's, should also be in by the Fall semester. He attended HS in Florida so the problem, whatever it is/was, should be cleared up soon.
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Marks and Henderson look like they are in fact making it in, so good for the WR corps. Wilson looks like it's more of a timing issue when the visa will finish but nothing recent that I've seen.
It's the usual Federal Government Red-Tape SNAFU, not any deficiency on Wilson's part.
yeah hard to tell. Some visas are easy for short term stays like vacations but longer term can take a while. I've worked with some of the H1Bs and those can take like 1+ years (standard for that type), but I'm not sure how the education type visas work.
In Summary...
Dan Mullen was hired by UF 11-26-2017, going on 20 months ago.
In that short time, Dan has added to UF's current listed roster (42):
6 Quality and experienced xfers:
LB/Buck Jonathan Greenard Grad-Sr
DT Adam Shuler Grad-Sr
WR Van Jefferson rsSr - Miss xfer
TE Lucas Krull rsJr - JuCo xfer
WR Trevon Grimes Jr - tOSU xfer
ILB/Ath Umstead Sanders rsJr - JuCo xfer - WO
~~ Quality starters xfer in, while career backups xfer out.
6 2018 Fr that were good enough to play and/or start.
PK Evan McPherson So - All SEC
Star/CB Trey Dean So - All SEC
RB Dameon Pierce So - 6.2 ypc
LB/Star Amari Burney So
FS/Star John Huggins So
WR/TE Kyle Pitts So
All 6 are now projected 2019 starters.
9 Fr that played a little but redshirted, + 3 WO's
WR Jacob Copeland rsFr
LB/Buck Andrew Chatfield Jr, rsFr
QB Emory Jones rsFr
RB/FS Iverson Clement rsFr
LB/Buck David Reese rsFr - ACL lost for 2019
TE Dante Lang rsFr
OC/OG Griffin McDowell rsFr - scooter, missed Spring
OL Richard Gouraige rsFr
Ath/QB/CB Jaylin Jackson rsFr
LS Marco Ortiz rsFr - WO - Rubio 5 star
Ath Daniel Cross rsFr - WO
Ath Coleman Crozier rsFr - WO
21 new Fr so far, with 1 (OL Wilson) awaiting his green card.
CB Kaiir Elam Fr
TE Keon Zipperer Fr
LB Khris Bogle Fr
LB Mohamoud Diabate Fr
LB Ty'Ron Hopper Fr
LB Jesiah Pierre Fr
DT Jaelin Humphries Fr
TE Lloyd Summerall III Fr
RB Nay-Quan Wright Fr
CB Chester Kimbrough Fr
DB Jaydon Hill Fr
WR Ja'Markis Weston Fr
WR/FS Trent Whittenmore Fr
OL Riley Simonds Fr
OL Kingsley Eguakun Fr
OL Michael Tarquin Fr
OL Will Harrod Fr
OL Ethan White Fr
WR/KR Dionte Marks Fr
WR Arjei Henderson Fr
QB Like Matthews Fr - WO
2 2019 dildo's lost to xfer
2 that missed on entrance test scores, JuCo's, back in 2 years.
Dan Mullen was hired by UF 11-26-2017, going on 20 months ago.
In that short time, Dan has added to UF's current listed roster (42):
6 Quality and experienced xfers:
LB/Buck Jonathan Greenard Grad-Sr
DT Adam Shuler Grad-Sr
WR Van Jefferson rsSr - Miss xfer
TE Lucas Krull rsJr - JuCo xfer
WR Trevon Grimes Jr - tOSU xfer
ILB/Ath Umstead Sanders rsJr - JuCo xfer - WO
~~ Quality starters xfer in, while career backups xfer out.
6 2018 Fr that were good enough to play and/or start.
PK Evan McPherson So - All SEC
Star/CB Trey Dean So - All SEC
RB Dameon Pierce So - 6.2 ypc
LB/Star Amari Burney So
FS/Star John Huggins So
WR/TE Kyle Pitts So
All 6 are now projected 2019 starters.
9 Fr that played a little but redshirted, + 3 WO's
WR Jacob Copeland rsFr
LB/Buck Andrew Chatfield Jr, rsFr
QB Emory Jones rsFr
RB/FS Iverson Clement rsFr
LB/Buck David Reese rsFr - ACL lost for 2019
TE Dante Lang rsFr
OC/OG Griffin McDowell rsFr - scooter, missed Spring
OL Richard Gouraige rsFr
Ath/QB/CB Jaylin Jackson rsFr
LS Marco Ortiz rsFr - WO - Rubio 5 star
Ath Daniel Cross rsFr - WO
Ath Coleman Crozier rsFr - WO
21 new Fr so far, with 1 (OL Wilson) awaiting his green card.
CB Kaiir Elam Fr
TE Keon Zipperer Fr
LB Khris Bogle Fr
LB Mohamoud Diabate Fr
LB Ty'Ron Hopper Fr
LB Jesiah Pierre Fr
DT Jaelin Humphries Fr
TE Lloyd Summerall III Fr
RB Nay-Quan Wright Fr
CB Chester Kimbrough Fr
DB Jaydon Hill Fr
WR Ja'Markis Weston Fr
WR/FS Trent Whittenmore Fr
OL Riley Simonds Fr
OL Kingsley Eguakun Fr
OL Michael Tarquin Fr
OL Will Harrod Fr
OL Ethan White Fr
WR/KR Dionte Marks Fr
WR Arjei Henderson Fr
QB Like Matthews Fr - WO
2 2019 dildo's lost to xfer
2 that missed on entrance test scores, JuCo's, back in 2 years.
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Insta,
Don't forget our 2019 PWOs -
Justin Pelic
POS ILB/Rover/SS
HEIGHT 6-0
WEIGHT 213
4.58 40 yard dash
1500 SAT / GPA 5.1- I think he will pick up the defensive playbook rather easily !
Lucas Alonso
POS DT
HEIGHT 6-3
WEIGHT 285
2nd team All-Dade County
Jack Brady -
6'0"180 lbs
KohlsKicking No.5 ranked punter in America
punter, place kicker, & QB
Plays Baseball and Football
GPA: 4.20
ACT: 30
Chase Whitfield
6-1
235
A 4.5 star Kohl's LS with a 4.61 GPA
National Merit Scholar; offered full ride to MIT - yes that MIT
Playbook for the LS probably isn't much, but I think he will figure it out rather quickly !
Quote from Justin Pelic which says it all -
Based on the Florida fan base it is clear I made the right decision. I promise to put the team first, work my tail off, and represent the school the way it should be represented. The academics are the best kept secret! Let’s win a championship!
Nice to see someone else that's paying attention...
However, can you give me their jersey numbers on the current officially listed roster?
I seem to be having a bit of trouble finding them...
https://floridagators.com/roster.aspx?path=football
However, can you give me their jersey numbers on the current officially listed roster?
I seem to be having a bit of trouble finding them...
https://floridagators.com/roster.aspx?path=football
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Latest on Wilson: As of today Wilson doesn't have a VISA but Florida is working hard on his behalf.
One of the pay sites says Florida just got involved finally and that he was doing the paperwork himself previously. Unbelievable if true. This kid had completed the other stuff back in time for Spring supposedly.
One of the pay sites says Florida just got involved finally and that he was doing the paperwork himself previously. Unbelievable if true. This kid had completed the other stuff back in time for Spring supposedly.
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