2021-22 Basketball Primer

[ocalaman]

The idea of just making the post season being the measuring stick for the success of a coach at THE University of Florida is absurd. Any coach worth his salt will say that the #1 goal of every Gator team is winning the SEC and in 7 years the best our men's BB team has done is finish 3rd. The other years we weren't really in the hunt. How long does anyone think our baseball and softball coaches would last if their best SEC finish in 7 years was 3rd place? But they made the 64-team NCAA tournament field, they're doing a great job!!?? C'mon. Since Mike White has been in Gainesville, here are the following SEC titles won by UF:
Baseball - 2 regular season, 1 tournament
Men's Swimming & Diving - 7
Men's Tennis - 2 regular season - 1 tournament
Men's Indoor Track & Field - 2
Men's Outdoor Track & Field - 2
Women's Golf - 1
Gymnastics - 4
Lacrosse - 6 regular season - 6 tournament
Soccer - 1 regular season, 2 tournament
Softball - 5 regular season - 2 tournament
Women's Tennis - 2 regular season, 2 tournament
Women's Outdoor Track & Field - 1
Volleyball - 3

That's 52 SEC championships, with all the spring sports still competing in the 7th year since Mike White took over Men's Basketball at the University of Florida. And most other years, when these programs didn't win the SEC, they were in the hunt and oftentimes finished 2nd or 3rd. And UF has won 9 national titles over the last 7 years as well, plus finished in the Top 5 for the Director's Cup for the best all around athletic program in the NCAA every year during that time. Men's Basketball is not pulling it's weight and with it being the #2 revenue sport on campus, it should be doing much better.

 

[instaGATOR]

So, send multi-millionaire Mike White on his well deserved 8.75 million buy-out vacation and be done with it. It would be worth it, just to see where the program goes next with someone else.

And oh BTW, name his replacement. One that is a better coach and most important will he want to come to Socialist-U for these fans?

And we can all meet in the Karl Marx Reading Room to discus Mike's replacement.... 😉

 

[bradleygator]

Yeah I’m not dismissive of the fact that Mike White had made the tourney every year and won a game. That’s not nothing. And he does get the kids to play hard. But his rosters are getting worse and worse. What are we going to look like next year without Castleton? The fact that we are taking transfers like Jones and McKissic tells you all you need to know. Neither should play for a good SEC team. And he’s not a master strategist. Nembhard is the best player on a 1 seed and white had him dribbling with his back to the basket for 30 seconds every possession.

I appreciate his efforts, and he seems like a good guy, but we should compete for an SEC title every 5 years or so. That’s not unreasonable.

 

[ocalaman]

Yeah I’m not dismissive of the fact that Mike White had made the tourney every year and won a game. That’s not nothing. And he does get the kids to play hard. But his rosters are getting worse and worse. What are we going to look like next year without Castleton? The fact that we are taking transfers like Jones and McKissic tells you all you need to know. Neither should play for a good SEC team. And he’s not a master strategist. Nembhard is the best player on a 1 seed and white had him dribbling with his back to the basket for 30 seconds every possession.

I appreciate his efforts, and he seems like a good guy, but we should compete for an SEC title every 5 years or so. That’s not unreasonable.

White hasn't made the NCAA tournament every year at UF. He's made it 4 times in 7 seasons. In 2016 they went to the NIT, in 2020 there was no tournament due to COVID. That Gator team finished 19-12, 11-7 in the SEC, 5th seed for the SEC tournament. They weren't a lock for the tourney that year, although their NET was #29 and they had 5 Quad 1 wins. This year they will be asked to play in the NIT.

 

[bradleygator]

White hasn't made the NCAA tournament every year at UF. He's made it 4 times in 7 seasons. In 2016 they went to the NIT, in 2020 there was no tournament due to COVID. That Gator team finished 19-12, 11-7 in the SEC, 5th seed for the SEC tournament. They weren't a lock for the tourney that year, although their NET was #29 and they had 5 Quad 1 wins. This year they will be asked to play in the NIT

Thank you for this meaningless clarification and detail.

 

[KingofHedgehogs]

So, send multi-millionaire Mike White on his well deserved 8.75 million buy-out vacation and be done with it. It would be worth it, just to see where the program goes next with someone else.

😉

Where the program would go? You mean possibly going to the NIT? Going to irrelevancy?

Well, let me spoil it for you.....UF is already there.

 

[instaGATOR]

bg, do you ever look at a players bio before you make your claims?
I'm trying very hard to be nice with that question....
(and just try to ignore the hateful entitled twit fans here) 😉

Key injuries and Co-V have played havoc on the team the past 2 seasons.

PG Myreon Jones
High-scoring guard who has upped his production each collegiate season, averaging 10.4 points per game with 12 20-point performances over 80 career appearances at Penn State, including a team-leading 15.3 points per game in 2020-21.

Three of his 11 20-point games have come vs. top-25 opponents, and he went for a career-best 29 at Nebraska on Feb. 23, 2021.

Increased his scoring by 9.3 points per gme from 4.0 points as a freshman to 13.3 as a sophomore, coinciding with his move into PSU’s starting lineup.

Two-time All-Big Ten honorable mention honoree with 11 games making four or more 3-pointers.

In 2021-22, even sharing playing time with 4 guards, he still averaged 8.7 Pts/Gm. -- FG 36.4% -- 3's 33.0% -- FT 72.5% -- Total Pts 271.
Those 271 Pts this season would have given him a 4 year total of 1,084 Pts
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CG Brandon McKissic
Averaged 11.0 points, 2.9 rebounds, 2.3 assists and 1.2 steals in 107 games with 86 starts over four seasons.

At UMKC, he is the 9th-ranked scorer in program history with 1,178 points.
His scoring average increase each season, climbing from 7.9 as a freshman to 10.5 as a sophomore, 11.0 as a junior and 17.2 in his all-conference senior season, FG 48.4% -- 3's 38.5%
Has 10 games with 20+ points, including a career-best 29 vs. Omaha.
Has 14 games with five or more assists, including a career-best eight on two occasions, with one coming against #2 Kansas.
And he was the 2021 Summit League Defensive Player of the Year.
In 2021-22, even sharing playing time with 4 guards and being used mostly for his tenacious defense, he still averaged 6.1 Pts/Gm for 196 total.
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Next years roster, not including any off-season xfers or Co-V's remaining:

PF C.J. Felder 6-7 231 Sr
C Jason Jitoboh 6-11 285 Sr (or injured rsJr?)
CG/SF Niels Lane 6-5 206 Jr
SF/PF Tuongthach Gatkek 6-9 172 Jr
SF/SG Kowacie Reeves 6-6 182 So
CG Elijah Kennedy 6-3 185 So >> at 6-3, he's the short guy...
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#4 PF Malik Reneau 6-8 210 Fr *****
#16 PF/C Jalen Reed 6-10 220 Fr ****
#27 CG Denzel Aberdeen 6-4 175 Fr ***
That's 9 ships with room for 4 xfers or Co-V returnees?
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WO's
SG Alex Klatsky 6-4 185 Jr
PG Jack May 6-4 175 Jr
3+2 G's -- 4 F -- 2 C -- so far, and depending on which positions they play.

 

[Dannygator1989]

Does anyone else find it odd how much being a "multi-millionaire" seems to mean to some people?

OJ Simpson was a multi-millionaire. Who cares?

back in the 60 and 70s were you like "hahaha Doug Dickey is a multi-thousandaire! But all of you hippies can kiss Socialist-U's buttocks while I continue to enjoy life with my wife of a million 60 years because I'm an immortal vampire that time can't touch. Did I tell you how I saw Steve Spurrier play?"

what are you?


(queue the insults from a hundred year old 3rd grader)

 

[ocalaman]

Thank you for this meaningless clarification and detail.

Well, BRAD, you claimed as "fact" that he had made the NCAA tourney every year. That wasn't true and I just wanted to make sure you understood that you had stated something that was false. Truth and facts should be important, but if you want to claim them as meaningless then I want those who post on this board to be aware of how little you care about those things. Clear enough?

 

[Countygator1]

bg, do you ever look at a players bio before you make your claims?
I'm trying very hard to be nice with that question....
(and just try to ignore the hateful entitled twit fans here) 😉

Key injuries and Co-V have played havoc on the team the past 2 seasons.

PG Myreon Jones
High-scoring guard who has upped his production each collegiate season, averaging 10.4 points per game with 12 20-point performances over 80 career appearances at Penn State, including a team-leading 15.3 points per game in 2020-21.

Three of his 11 20-point games have come vs. top-25 opponents, and he went for a career-best 29 at Nebraska on Feb. 23, 2021.

Increased his scoring by 9.3 points per gme from 4.0 points as a freshman to 13.3 as a sophomore, coinciding with his move into PSU’s starting lineup.

Two-time All-Big Ten honorable mention honoree with 11 games making four or more 3-pointers.

In 2021-22, even sharing playing time with 4 guards, he still averaged 8.7 Pts/Gm. -- FG 36.4% -- 3's 33.0% -- FT 72.5% -- Total Pts 271.
Those 271 Pts this season would have given him a 4 year total of 1,084 Pts
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CG Brandon McKissic
Averaged 11.0 points, 2.9 rebounds, 2.3 assists and 1.2 steals in 107 games with 86 starts over four seasons.

At UMKC, he is the 9th-ranked scorer in program history with 1,178 points.
His scoring average increase each season, climbing from 7.9 as a freshman to 10.5 as a sophomore, 11.0 as a junior and 17.2 in his all-conference senior season, FG 48.4% -- 3's 38.5%
Has 10 games with 20+ points, including a career-best 29 vs. Omaha.
Has 14 games with five or more assists, including a career-best eight on two occasions, with one coming against #2 Kansas.
And he was the 2021 Summit League Defensive Player of the Year.
In 2021-22, even sharing playing time with 4 guards and being used mostly for his tenacious defense, he still averaged 6.1 Pts/Gm for 196 total.
==========

Next years roster, not including any off-season xfers or Co-V's remaining:

PF C.J. Felder 6-7 231 Sr
C Jason Jitoboh 6-11 285 Sr (or injured rsJr?)
CG/SF Niels Lane 6-5 206 Jr
SF/PF Tuongthach Gatkek 6-9 172 Jr
SF/SG Kowacie Reeves 6-6 182 So
CG Elijah Kennedy 6-3 185 So >> at 6-3, he's the short guy...
-----
#4 PF Malik Reneau 6-8 210 Fr *****
#16 PF/C Jalen Reed 6-10 220 Fr ****
#27 CG Denzel Aberdeen 6-4 175 Fr ***
That's 9 ships with room for 4 xfers or Co-V returnees?
-----
WO's
SG Alex Klatsky 6-4 185 Jr
PG Jack May 6-4 175 Jr
3+2 G's -- 4 F -- 2 C -- so far, and depending on which positions they play.

Damn!! Those players are awesome! We should definitely make a deep run with these superstars! Oh, wait...are they good and got poorly coached or were they overrated and lived up to their true potential? So confused...

 

[Countygator1]

Does anyone else find it odd how much being a "multi-millionaire" seems to mean to some people?

OJ Simpson was a multi-millionaire. Who cares?

back in the 60 and 70s were you like "hahaha Doug Dickey is a multi-thousandaire! But all of you hippies can kiss Socialist-U's buttocks while I continue to enjoy life with my wife of a million 60 years because I'm an immortal vampire that time can't touch. Did I tell you how I saw Steve Spurrier play?"

what are you?


(queue the insults from a hundred year old 3rd grader)

you moe-ron!

 

[KingofHedgehogs]

Damn!! Those players are awesome! We should definitely make a deep run with these superstars! Oh, wait...are they good and got poorly coached or were they overrated and lived up to their true potential? So confused...

Oof, talk about putting him in a corner. However, we all know that his go-to response when he doesnt have a legit argument, which is almost always, is a laughing emoticon.....so im sure thats what he will respond with.

The funny thing is that he thinks those stats, height, notes, etc are just as important, if not more important, than wins. Whenever UF loses a bad game, Insta will hide for a little bit and then show up with all that info as if somehow makes up for a loss and we should console ourselves with knowing a player is 6'10 and once scored 34 points in high school.

If you pressed him about what the stats were 5 years ago.....and you were in person and put him on the spot.....he wouldnt know a single thing.

 

[KingofHedgehogs]

So, the Ole Miss rumors are swirling around again. This is a quote from a UF news website a day and a half ago. I thought it was funny.

"While White hasn’t delivered a championship to Florida, his record speaks for itself. The Gators coach is 142-88 in seven seasons at the helm, and has brought the program as far as the Elite Eight in the past. Additionally, White has never finished below .500 in conference play within the vaunted SEC."

His record speaks for itself? 88 losses arent a positive, like the writer downplays by saying "vaunted SEC".

The SEC has done better the last couple years......but vaunted? The rose colored glasses are extra rosey with some people.

 

[Gator Fever]

So, the Ole Miss rumors are swirling around again. This is a quote from a UF news website a day and a half ago. I thought it was funny.

"While White hasn’t delivered a championship to Florida, his record speaks for itself. The Gators coach is 142-88 in seven seasons at the helm, and has brought the program as far as the Elite Eight in the past. Additionally, White has never finished below .500 in conference play within the vaunted SEC."

His record speaks for itself? 88 losses arent a positive, like the writer downplays by saying "vaunted SEC".

The SEC has done better the last couple years......but vaunted? The rose colored glasses are extra rosey with some people.

I hope they are naive enough to take him off our hands.

 

[gatordad3]

White hasn't made the NCAA tournament every year at UF. He's made it 4 times in 7 seasons. In 2016 they went to the NIT, in 2020 there was no tournament due to COVID. That Gator team finished 19-12, 11-7 in the SEC, 5th seed for the SEC tournament. They weren't a lock for the tourney that year, although their NET was #29 and they had 5 Quad 1 wins. This year they will be asked to play in the NIT.

This is looking more and more like the Leonard Hamilton era at FSU.

 

[Nicktheslick]

This is looking more and more like the Leonard Hamilton era at FSU.

Say it ain’t so dad.

 

[instaGATOR]

Jus-damn, I'm still waiting and wishing that the S-U brain trust would just get off their butts and FIRE MIKE WHITE ALREADY!!!

The Deep List of Top Quality Replacement Coaches Includes:
????
????

 

[LizardGrad89]

Jus-damn, I'm still waiting and wishing that the S-U brain trust would just get off their butts and FIRE MIKE WHITE ALREADY!!!

The Deep List of Top Quality Replacement Coaches Includes:
????
????

You are clueless, not a shocker. You admitting it, that part is unusual.

 

[instaGATOR]

Ya know, the way that the Little Loopy Lizzy follows me around like a lost puppy, if I stopped to quickly, he'd have his head up my ass, instead of where it usually is,,, up his own....
😂 🤣 😂

 

[Dannygator1989]

Ya know, the way that the Little Loopy Lizzy follows me around like a lost puppy, if I stopped to quickly, he'd have his head up my ass, instead of where it usually is,,, up his own....
😂 🤣 😂

Are you a Georgia fan now?

 

[bradleygator]

Well, BRAD, you claimed as "fact" that he had made the NCAA tourney every year. That wasn't true and I just wanted to make sure you understood that you had stated something that was false. Truth and facts should be important, but if you want to claim them as meaningless then I want those who post on this board to be aware of how little you care about those things. Clear enough?

Yeah this little hissy fit advanced the thread even further.

 

[ocalaman]

Mike White to take over as Georgia head coach

White spend the last seven years in charge of the Gators

247sports.com

 

[Countygator1]

Are you a Georgia fan now?

Wonder if Insta was part of the deal? Totally worth it...

 

[instaGATOR]

Are you a Georgia fan now?

Nope, but you're sure to always be the same old loser dunnygoater, with a daughter being raised by a real man, instead of a dunny.... 😝

 

[ocalaman]

Yeah this little hissy fit advanced the thread even further.

I post what I think and exposing falsehoods is still important. Think what you want, my man. Hot funk, cool punk, even if it's old junk it's still rock & roll to me. The best part of this thread is - Mike White is GONE!!!

 

[Countygator1]

Just noticed we get Iona in the nobody cares tourney.

 

[KingofHedgehogs]

Just noticed we get Iona in the nobody cares tourney.

I believe you meant to say Nobody's Interested Tourney. 8P

 

[ocalaman]

Just noticed we get Iona in the nobody cares tourney.

Rick Pitino is Iona's coach. Quiet meeting with Stricklin while he's in town? He's 70 years old, but just asking.

 

[Countygator1]

Rick Pitino is Iona's coach. Quiet meeting with Stricklin while he's in town? He's 70 years old, but just asking.

Good stuff!

 

[instaGATOR]

I just wish that incompetent Mike could have left UF like BillyD did, on a losing season, instead of being in UF's 11th NIT appearance...

 

[LizardGrad89]

I just wish that incompetent Mike could have left UF like BillyD did, on a losing season, instead of being in UF's 11th NIT appearance...

I just wish that incompetent Instaidiot could pull his head out of his backside long enough to realize this is a good thing.

 

[LizardGrad89]

Ya know, the way that the Little Loopy Lizzy follows me around like a lost puppy, if I stopped to quickly, he'd have his head up my ass, instead of where it usually is,,, up his own....
😂 🤣 😂

Follow you around? Maybe you haven't noticed, but there are only about 8 active threads in here at any given time. We're sure to bump into each other from time to time. But then, maybe you haven't noticed, anyone who thought Todd Grantham and Mike White are good coaches clearly is missing a lot. Of gray matter.

 

[Countygator1]

I just wish that incompetent Mike could have left UF like BillyD did, on a losing season, instead of being in UF's 11th NIT appearance...

White is way smarter than Billy....Billy should've left a year earlier after the final four....White knew next season had high potential to be a losing one so he bailed out now....too bad Billy couldn't see what was about to happen..

 

[LizardGrad89]

White is way smarter than Billy....Billy should've left a year earlier after the final four....White knew next season had high potential to be a losing one so he bailed out now....too bad Billy couldn't see what was about to happen..

Yep, White realized he had done such a poor job at UF it was about to significantly negatively impact his career, so he hopped.

If it proves nothing else, it proves Mike White is a lot smarter than Instaidiot.

 

[instaGATOR]

Just noticed we get Iona in the nobody cares tourney.

I believe you meant to say Nobody's Interested Tourney. 8P

Losers = I only care about Gator teams that:
~ Make the CFP, otherwise I don't care about and won't watch them in a lesser Bowl.
~Make the NCAA Tourney, otherwise I don't care and won't watch the NIT
~Make the Regional's then the CWS, otherwise I don't care............

The iG will be watching and enjoying the team play in the NIT, win or lose. 😜

 

[instaGATOR]

White is way smarter than Billy....Billy should've left a year earlier after the final four....White knew next season had high potential to be a losing one so he bailed out now....too bad Billy couldn't see what was about to happen..

BillyD came in on B-2-B losing seasons, and he left on a losing season.
(and yes, he did very well most years in between his 3 losing season)

Mike came in on an NIT, and left on an NIT, making 4 NCAA's and was projected in for a 5th before the cancelled 2020.

So, what does all of that mean?
NADA, because they are both gone for good now...

 

[KingofHedgehogs]

Losers = I only care about Gator teams that:
~ Make the CFP, otherwise I don't care about and won't watch them in a lesser Bowl.
~Make the NCAA Tourney, otherwise I don't care and won't watch the NIT
~Make the Regional's then the CWS, otherwise I don't care............

The iG will be watching and enjoying the team play in the NIT, win or lose. 😜

ZZZZZZ zzzzzZzzzz XD

 

[gatordad3]

I just wish that incompetent Mike could have left UF like BillyD did, on a losing season, instead of being in UF's 11th NIT appearance...

Nothing new, Iona showing they're simply the stronger team and looking to advance.

 

[Nicktheslick]

Nothing new, Iona showing they're simply the stronger team and looking to advance.

For a team with a bunch of defensive specialists we sure give up a lot of open three’s, layup’s and dunks.

 

[KingofHedgehogs]

I just wish that incompetent Mike could have left UF like BillyD did, on a losing season, instead of being in UF's 11th NIT appearance...

I just wish MW left UF like BD did.....by winning more than 1 game in the tournament, not called NIT, with his own recruits in the duration of his position.