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Yeah about that shedding happening with the vaccinated

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As always, information is all over the map:



0% chance says 'Health', whatever that is.



These guys agree.



But CDC says vaccines REDUCE shedding. Oh.



Rut-roh, raggy!!!!





I'll say again: If it turns out that the vaccinated people are indeed shedding covid to the unvaccinated, then everyone pushing for vaccinations has obviously made the problem much much worse.

Not saying shedding is happening. I'm saying I'm smart enough to not say it isn't and that vaccines are 100% the way to stop the spread of covid.

When in fact, they could be THE REASON for the spread.

As always, get all the information you can and avoid sources with an agenda.
 
As always, information is all over the map:



0% chance says 'Health', whatever that is.



These guys agree.



But CDC says vaccines REDUCE shedding. Oh.



Rut-roh, raggy!!!!





I'll say again: If it turns out that the vaccinated people are indeed shedding covid to the unvaccinated, then everyone pushing for vaccinations has obviously made the problem much much worse.

Not saying shedding is happening. I'm saying I'm smart enough to not say it isn't and that vaccines are 100% the way to stop the spread of covid.

When in fact, they could be THE REASON for the spread.

As always, get all the information you can and avoid sources with an agenda.
Are you saying you believe that the vaccine causes shedding or allows a bunch of Typhoid Mary's to walk around giving people COVID?
 
I did and I asked for clarification.

I will ask it differently

Does the vaccine in your opinion cause COVID in the vaxxed or is it masking carriers with breakthrough infections?
I haven't formed an opinion, that's why I clearly said that I was NOT saying shedding was happening.

I'm saying there's a lot of conflicting reports out there, enough to make me want to keep investigating.

Which is what any person interested in their health should be doing right now, IMO.
 
I haven't formed an opinion, that's why I clearly said that I was NOT saying shedding was happening.

I'm saying there's a lot of conflicting reports out there, enough to make me want to keep investigating.

Which is what any person interested in their health should be doing right now, IMO.
Ok I will not dance around anymore. The COVID vaccine does not infect people with nor cause people to create COVID.

Now the first vaccine (vaca is Spanish for cow) gave people cow pox to help them become immune to small pox and some flu vaxes use attenuated virus to immunize against a current variety.

These are not attenuated vaccines and JnJ is similar to treating small pox with cow pox.

JnJ uses a modified adenovirus to cause your body to make the spike protein and the other two use mRNA to create the proteins. Supposedly the mRNA vaxes dissipate over time. That's the part I question on those two and why I chose JnJ. The reason JnJ is one and done and not as effective is that your body becomes not only immune to Covid but to the adenovirus that was used to trick your body into fighting covid.

The con is I think they can use a different version of another adenovirus but boosters look to be out of the question for JnJ for now.

Now masking of breakthroughs is possible and plausible.
 
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Ok I will not dance around anymore. The COVID vaccine does not infect people with nor cause people to create COVID.
If you have proof that shedding does not happen in the vaccinated, I would love to see your proof. As I said, I am still investigating and have not formed an opinion yet.
 
If you have proof that shedding does not happen in the vaccinated, I would love to see your proof. As I said, I am still investigating and have not formed an opinion yet.
Not what I said. I said shedding/masked spreading if it is occurring in the vaxxed is due to a breakthrough infection and not a DIRECT result of the shot itself. Its why I asked for clarification.

You may have a point that the vax is masking breakthrough carriers who go out and unknown to them shed virus and infect others. If that is your point I would agree I find that plausible. We are only going to know about breakthroughs that get tested or end up in the hospital. So who knows how many there are.
 
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Your not saying the shot causes COVID but it causes COVID :D
 
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Your not saying the shot causes COVID but it causes COVID :D
I told you I am investigating. You made a claim, and I asked for proof of your claim as part of my investigation.

I see now you have no proof and were passing off an opinion as fact.

To be honest, part of me hopes you are right. But I'll keep investigating,
 
Pfizer and Moderna:

"...mRNA vaccines carry strands of mRNA that, in the body, function like an instruction manual. For COVID-19 vaccines, those instructions tell the body how to create a piece of the “spike protein” unique to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.

Because the mRNA encodes only for the spike protein — by itself a harmless protein found on the surface of the actual virus — the vaccine cannot cause COVID-19 infection. It is antigenic, though, meaning it can provoke an immune response in the body that helps create the antibodies necessary to fight COVID-19 effectively.

Once the spike protein is created in the body using the mRNA instructions, the body’s cells use enzymes to quickly break down the mRNA strands for removal by normal cellular processes. The mRNA doesn’t actually enter the nucleus of any cell (where your DNA is located) or affect genetic material in the body....."



JnJ:
Viral vector vaccines use a modified, harmless version of a different virus as a vector, or carrier, to deliver immunity instructions to cells in the body. The body then follows those instructions to build an immune response to the intended virus (in this case, SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19.)

The virus vector being used in the Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca vaccines is an adenovirus, a common type of virus that typically causes mild cold symptoms when it infects someone.

COVID-19 viral vector vaccines inject a harmless adenovirus vector, which carries unique genetic information from the COVID-19 virus to human cells. Once it reaches human cells, the vector uses that genetic information with the cell’s machinery to produce a COVID-19 spike protein (a small piece of SARS-CoV-2) on the cell’s surface. That spike protein triggers a response from the body’s immune system to start producing antibodies to COVID-19.

The antibodies created are specific to the virus that causes COVID-19, meaning the body is then prepared to protect against any future infections of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

Pros and cons of viral vector vaccine technology

Viral vector vaccines work well in pandemics because they’re easy to produce quickly and in large volumes. Decades of clinical data show that adenoviruses in particular can trigger a strong immune response in humans, making them especially effective.

However, if a viral vector vaccine uses a virus that you’ve already been exposed to and, therefore, have pre-existing immunity for, the vaccine won’t be as effective for you. That’s why scientists creating these vaccines try to choose versions of viruses that we’re unlikely to encounter naturally — in the Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca vaccines, the adenovirus is a strain that is found only in chimpanzees..."


Attenuated vaxes:

An attenuated vaccine (or a live attenuated vaccine) is a vaccine created by reducing the virulence of a pathogen, but still keeping it viable (or "live").[1] Attenuation takes an infectious agent and alters it so that it becomes harmless or less virulent.[2] These vaccines contrast to those produced by "killing" the virus (inactivated vaccine).

Attenuated vaccines stimulate a strong and effective immune response that is long-lasting.[3] In comparison to inactivated vaccines, attenuated vaccines produce a stronger and more durable immune response with a quick immunity onset.[4][5][6] Attenuated vaccines function by encouraging the body to create antibodies and memory immune cells in response to the specific pathogen which the vaccine protects against.[7] Common examples of live attenuated vaccines are measles, mumps, rubella, yellow fever, and some influenza vaccines.[3]

 
Documentation supporting my claims are 4 posts up if you missed it. So if the vaxes can not cause COVID then the only way shedding occurs is if a vaxxed person catches COVID as a result of a breakthrough infection and then sheds it. That would be an INDIRECT effect of vaccination in that it masks the infection allowing a vaxxed person to spread it to an unvaxxed person without knowing it.
 
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Documentation supporting my claims are 4 posts up if you missed it. So if the vaxes can not cause COVID then the only way shedding occurs is if a vaxxed person catches COVID as a result of a breakthrough infection and then sheds it. That would be an INDIRECT effect of vaccination in that it masks the infection allowing a vaxxed person to spread it to an unvaxxed person without knowing it.
And the video I posted seems to support the idea that the vaccine is causing shedding directly.

Neither is proof for or against. I'm looking for the truth, not to prove or disprove. There is good and bad that comes with either outcome IMO.
 
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It was posted for everyone here, not just you. I will check the other thread, thanks.
Get a room you two!

In all seriousness this is interesting info on both sides. @DCandtheUTBand I appreciate the breakdown on J&J, it's the one I've been most open to...can you enlighten me on the (protein-based?) Novavax? My doctor says it should be available by November. Same doctor that won't talk to me over text or set up a Zoom to discuss vaccines - I won't see her until 9/17.

@GhostOfMatchesMalone - I think it might be possible the definition of "shedding" is the rub here. In other words, some are describing it coming from the vaccine and others are talking about the vaccinated that can spread it asymptomatically.

I think the only "proof" is coming front Fauci on the latter though.
 
And the video I posted seems to support the idea that the vaccine is causing shedding directly.

Neither is proof for or against. I'm looking for the truth, not to prove or disprove. There is good and bad that comes with either outcome IMO.
@ the 3:52 mark he explains it. It is indirect and due to becoming infected, being asymptomatic and shedding the virus. At around the 4 min mark his point is that the vaccine will not prevent the spread of COVID. Implied also in this but not explicit is that if the vaxxed are asymptomatic while infected then the vax is working for them since they are not made sick by COVID. A vaxxed carrier is a Typhoid Mary.
 
Get a room you two!

In all seriousness this is interesting info on both sides. @DCandtheUTBand I appreciate the breakdown on J&J, it's the one I've been most open to...can you enlighten me on the (protein-based?) Novavax? My doctor says it should be available by November. Same doctor that won't talk to me over text or set up a Zoom to discuss vaccines - I won't see her until 9/17.

@GhostOfMatchesMalone - I think it might be possible the definition of "shedding" is the rub here. In other words, some are describing it coming from the vaccine and others are talking about the vaccinated that can spread it asymptomatically.

I think the only "proof" is coming front Fauci on the latter though.
The OP was designed to show that this is another issue where information is all over the map.

I don't like it when agendas taint the distribution of information.

DC wants to believe that the vaccine isn't designed to produce intentional shedding. He's sharing information to that affect.

I'm fine with that. I am mostly sharing information from the counterpoint not to make the counterpoint, but rather to make the point that there's information on either side, and this is something that needs more investigation.

Let's be honest: If it turns out these vaccines are DESIGNED to promote the vaccinated shedding covid onto the unvaccinated, then that is honestly scary as phuck and it means there's some baaaaaaaaaad stuff going on.

I want to know the truth, but I might not like what the truth is.
 
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The OP was designed to show that this is another issue where information is all over the map.

I don't like it when agendas taint the distribution of information.

DC wants to believe that the vaccine isn't designed to produce intentional shedding. He's sharing information to that affect.

I'm fine with that. I am mostly sharing information from the counterpoint not to make the counterpoint, but rather to make the point that there's information on either side, and this is something that needs more investigation.

Let's be honest: If it turns out these vaccines are DESIGNED to promote the vaccinated shedding covid onto the unvaccinated, then that is honestly scary as phuck and it means there's some baaaaaaaaaad stuff going on.

I want to know the truth, but I might not like what the truth is.
100% agree.

If they are pushing the vaccines to keep this thing going I can't even describe what kind of evil that is.
 
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Get a room you two!

In all seriousness this is interesting info on both sides. @DCandtheUTBand I appreciate the breakdown on J&J, it's the one I've been most open to...can you enlighten me on the (protein-based?) Novavax? My doctor says it should be available by November. Same doctor that won't talk to me over text or set up a Zoom to discuss vaccines - I won't see her until 9/17.

@GhostOfMatchesMalone - I think it might be possible the definition of "shedding" is the rub here. In other words, some are describing it coming from the vaccine and others are talking about the vaccinated that can spread it asymptomatically.

I think the only "proof" is coming front Fauci on the latter though.
The little spikes on the ball are the protein that unlocks your cells and allows the virus to deposit its load into your cells and then to replicate.

Novavax uses nanotech as the delivery method. Nano particles carry the protein itself directly into the person. What are the nano particles made of? Do they degrade? All of this is less traditional than say JnJ.

"Novavax's COVID-19 vaccine is a two-shot formula that can be stored at refrigerator temperatures and utilizes different technology than the United States' three existing vaccines.

Pfizer and Moderna use mRNA technology that teaches cells to make a protein that prompts an immune response. The Johnson & Johnson vaccine uses a viral vector, or a modified version of a different virus, to prompt cells to produce the protein that triggers an immune response.



"Novavax, an American biotech company, designed a recombinant nanoparticle vaccine. This involves sequencing the SARS-CoV-2 virus to find the most common form of the spike protein present on the virus. Unlike viral vector vaccines, where a protein is hidden inside another virus, the spike proteins in recombinant nanoparticle vaccines are attached to the surface of a very small particle, called a nanoparticle. The nanoparticle is combined with an adjuvant, a substance which creates longer-lasting immunity in the vaccine."


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From NovaVax themselves explaining how the tech works...the adjuvant does not look as bad as I thought it might. Its a toxin found in the nightshade family but its natural and not some man made metal based molecule.

Watch the video. There is a lot of jargon but I think it is somewhat understandable.


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100% agree.

If they are pushing the vaccines to keep this thing going I can't even describe what kind of evil that is.
What REALLY struck me was the visceral and immediately reaction from the media "There's absolutely no truth to idea that vaccines cause shedding".

Whenever the media has immediately worked in lockstep to shut information down vwdiew, it's been because it hurt their agenda, not because it was misinformation.

That definitely made my antenna go up.
 
Threads like this one remind me that I'm a very, very stupid man.




...but I know what love is.
 
That definitely made my antenna go up

There has been so much bull$h!t lately, from both sides...hell, all directions, I have no idea what or who to believe anymore.

This is what a fair and balanced media was supposed to protect us from. When governmental agencies were less than honest, they blew the whistle. When political fringe groups gave us half-truths, they blew the whistle.

Now the media is a big part, if not the biggest part, of the problem.
 
What REALLY struck me was the visceral and immediately reaction from the media "There's absolutely no truth to idea that vaccines cause shedding".

Whenever the media has immediately worked in lockstep to shut information down vwdiew, it's been because it hurt their agenda, not because it was misinformation.

That definitely made my antenna go up.
 
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