Why Tampa shouldn't draft Winston
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Jameis faced a top 50 defense 15 times...a top 15 seven times and won every game.
2013
Pittsburgh - #17
Clemson - #29
NC State - #41
Wake Forest - #14
Syracuse - #39
Florida - #5
2014
Clemson - #1
NC State - #46
Wake Forest - #38
Syracuse - #27
Louisville - #6
Virginia - #28
Miami-FL - #13
Boston College - #11
Florida - #4
Even in his "meltdown" game he threw for more yards than the other QB. I guess he's solely responsible for turning the ball over 5 times in that game too?
No, if those teams played defense like the one team on that list you would have seen the same results... Florida had that kids head spinning out there. He had what 4 INT's in the first quarter alone?
SEC has nothing to do with the reality, do you think those teams play defense like Florida did? Did those teams blitz him to death and cause him to look like he did? How many of those teams had a guy like Fowler chasing him down?
Everyone always wants to point out that SEC biased crap but at the same time act as if the SEC doesn't have the most talented defenses and teams on a yearly basis. I watched all those teams play prevent against FSU in the 2nd half of every game.
SEC has nothing to do with the reality, do you think those teams play defense like Florida did? Did those teams blitz him to death and cause him to look like he did? How many of those teams had a guy like Fowler chasing him down?
Everyone always wants to point out that SEC biased crap but at the same time act as if the SEC doesn't have the most talented defenses and teams on a yearly basis. I watched all those teams play prevent against FSU in the 2nd half of every game.
I know NFL scouts personally, which is where a lot of this may or may not be coming from... not to burst any of the Nole Bubbles because this kid is bullet proof or anything... I've been around NFL scouts since 04, since day one they always told me the last thing a head coach wants around is a head case or showcase "ME" like this kid but the uppers have the final say..
but as I said with the Vince Young scenario and which should be picked up and make more sense now, the OC Chow wanted his own boy Leinart, which fit... but the OWNER wanted Vince Young. The bad teams in the NFL stay awful for a reason..
I guess we'll see. I've put some crow on ice and publicly devour it on this board if/when JW is bagg'n groceries in a few years (or behind bars as many would hope).
Until then, I will take solace in the wise words from the Gator Family Monarch:
Tebow said it's his "hope and prayer" for Winston to find "wise counsel" and use better judgement. "He has something that's more important to live for than just the moment," Tebow said. "Because when you live for the moment, the moment will always let you down in silly situations like he's been in the past. My hope and prayer for Jameis is that he can find people that will invest in him and invest in his life."
p.s.
There's some definite truth to your final statement.
This post was edited on 4/3 8:10 AM by alaskanseminole
When it comes to numbers, shime, angus, and a few others, then yes, that is what is driving most of their commentary. Most state he will fail because of his immaturity rather than his ability. Now, I will give number's some credit...he wasn't singing JW praises prior to the November 13 allegations, so at least he's been consistent.
If I'm to take someone's opinion seriously (on this board) regarding JW's ability without bias it would a poster like oozie or BBB as they have demonstrated some objectivity without bias.
So, what is your stance, dj?
1 - JW will be (or can be successful) regardless of any on/off field issues.
2 - JW will be successful as long as he can mature and avoid off the field issues. He has the right tools to succeed in the NFL.
3 - JW will not be successful because he is too immature and will screw up off the field just like in college.
4 - JW will not be successful because UF's defense exposed him and therefore he can't perform at the next level.
5 - JW will not be successful because he lacks the on field talent AND the maturity off the field. The question is, where we he fail first; on or off the field.
5 - Other [write in]
FWIW, I think #2 is the most accurate representation.
I will re-post it for you, not that you are looking for honest opinion, you want either a reason to attack "haters" or like-minded over the top praise:
It is no use even discussing anything about jamie with the noles...they are so blinded by their fanatic loyalty they are iunwilling to face any reality about the questions of his character, they cannot accept that everyone does not worship him like they do, they cannot accept that it is not rivals simply hating him because he win games, but that the rest of the world really doesn't like, that he really is not such a magnetic charismatic character with never before seen talent, that everyone should love regardless of what team they are a fan of. No point trying to tell them that the truth, which is this: he is a first round talent, one of the best QBs in the draft this year, but he has a lot of question marks, like pretty much any one else, and due to his own immature actions and narcissistic behavior, a lot of people simply don't like him. And that is the best case....the noles cannot even comprehend that there is a worse case, that he has and will again engage in criminal activity and that his talent rating is highly inflated due to the inferior teams he faced, and his talent will be wasted due to his own arrogance and self-importance. What will happen? Most likely something in the middle....he will be somewhat successful in the league, and sooner rather than later will have an incident that brings up his questionable past again. But noles only want to believe he is a once in a lifetime talent who is a golden child who is a victim of his success, rival fans, and SEC biased media.
It is no use even discussing anything about jamie with the noles...they are so blinded by their fanatic loyalty they are iunwilling to face any reality about the questions of his character, they cannot accept that everyone does not worship him like they do, they cannot accept that it is not rivals simply hating him because he win games, but that the rest of the world really doesn't like, that he really is not such a magnetic charismatic character with never before seen talent, that everyone should love regardless of what team they are a fan of. No point trying to tell them that the truth, which is this: he is a first round talent, one of the best QBs in the draft this year, but he has a lot of question marks, like pretty much any one else, and due to his own immature actions and narcissistic behavior, a lot of people simply don't like him. And that is the best case....the noles cannot even comprehend that there is a worse case, that he has and will again engage in criminal activity and that his talent rating is highly inflated due to the inferior teams he faced, and his talent will be wasted due to his own arrogance and self-importance. What will happen? Most likely something in the middle....he will be somewhat successful in the league, and sooner rather than later will have an incident that brings up his questionable past again. But noles only want to believe he is a once in a lifetime talent who is a golden child who is a victim of his success, rival fans, and SEC biased media.
When I address you personally (in the manner I did above), I assure you I'm being sincere (RRT persona shelved).
"It is no use even discussing anything about jamie with the noles...they are so blinded by their fanatic loyalty they are unwilling to face any reality about the questions of his character, they cannot accept that everyone does not worship him like they do..."
- I agree that there are questions revolving around JW's character. While I do not think he sexually assaulted Erica Kinsman, I do think his behavior during and following those allegations was neither indicative of his intelligence or appropriate for his role as starting QB. Fair or not, when you're in the public eye (and the face of a major university), you behave accordingly. Winston should have been the poster child for charity and the definition of humble. Instead, he was out stealing crabs and shouting obscenities; while not a "huge" deal in and of themselves, in the spot light of the allegations, those actions were (and are) a HUGE deal.
"...he is a first round talent, one of the best QBs in the draft this year, but he has a lot of question marks, like pretty much any one else..."
- Like what, for instance?
"...and due to his own immature actions and narcissistic behavior, a lot of people simply don't like him..."
- Since the "shouting incident" it would appear he's kept his nose clean and has been wowing NFL scouts and the media in both interviews and in on-field performance. That's what we all hope for, right, that the kid learns from his past, matures and is a successful member of society? Isn't that more important than what university he attended?
"...And that is the best case....the noles cannot even comprehend that there is a worse case, that he has and will again engage in criminal activity and that his talent rating is highly inflated due to the inferior teams he faced, and his talent will be wasted due to his own arrogance and self-importance."
- I agree it's extremely possibly he screws up again. Lord knows all eyes will be on his every move (many hoping he does). As for inflated talent based on inferior competition; EJ and Ponder faced the same competition year in and year out and didn't shine as Winston did. He won the Heisman for a reason...I think he's the real deal (at least at the college-level...see Pete Warrick). Now we have to see if it translates.
"What will happen? Most likely something in the middle....he will be somewhat successful in the league, and sooner rather than later will have an incident that brings up his questionable past again. But noles only want to believe he is a once in a lifetime talent who is a golden child who is a victim of his success, rival fans, and SEC biased media."
- I don't know if he's a "once in a life-time" talent, but he is definitely a special talent. There is no denying he is a student of the game...a film junkie and has the physical tools (not physique) to go far (IMO).
This is what I was waiting for.... Maybe we should draft that kid from GA Southern #1....... what was his name again? I mean hell.......he did it without throwing any passes downfield that worked... The Bucs might take him just as serious, he wins at such a high rate without doing really anything at all......
Not really sure what your response even means. You keep saying Winston crumbled against the only decent defenses he faced in college ('14 UF). Winston shredded the Gators in 2013 in the Swamp. UF had given up 6 passing touchdowns in the 11 games prior and gave up 3 to Winston. I'm also not really sure how you define "decent". '14 Louisvile and NC State both had top 35 pass defenses and Winston threw for 766 yards and 7 TD's in those 2 games (both on the road).
Here are the issues as I see them:
Winston is only "deceptively athletic". People think he's some kind of athlete because he was a baseball player also, and its a bad assumption because he isn't some Deion-like athlete - he was a relief pitcher. He doesn't have NFL "alluding" skills and the defenses in the NFL are going to be better than the ones he performed poorly against last year. Oregon demonstrated that even a good defensive game plan without an SEC-level defense can shut him down as well.
In 2013, FSU played the weakest SOS of any BCS title game participant in the entire era. They also had 13 draft picks. Winston looked good. In 2014, the quality of the defenses he played improved tremendously. And while he still had a)5 SR offensive linemen and b)two receivers who will be playing in the NFL, his stats regressed significantly and he looked lost against the better defenses he played. While FSU fans try to excuse or explain away the interceptions, UF and Louisville ate him alive and dropped another 4 or 5 interceptions. Likewise, balls skipping off a receiver's hand for a cheap int is a fact of the game and happens to even the best receivers in the NFL. Good QB's mitigate these "flukes" by not throwing "bad" interceptions. Winston couldn't limit "bad" interceptions against good defenses, thus 18 interceptions with a few flukes.
There is clear evidence that Winston wasn't the "same player" in 2014. Many people, especially nole fans, commented on this throughout the year. After the season is over, we find that an MRI shows "Shoulder weakness", something that may be treatable. His agent says this is "left over from baseball", which should be concerning rather than assuring. It means he either injured his shoulder playing baseball in '14(and hid it all season) or has "worn out" his shoulder and may no longer have the consistent arm strength he demonstrated in 2013.
Winston demonstrated for two years a lack of respect for authority. Forget the off the field stuff if you want to right now, but his tantrums with Fisher and the attempt to "overrule" the university and coaching staff at the beginning of the Clemson game should be worrisome. Several NFL analysts and insiders have stated they would never draft a kid like this. He doesn't appear coachable and essentially blamed the rest of the team for the Oregon loss.
His offseason and off the field work ethic is questionable. He clearly has an issue keeping his weight down. This doesn't get easier as you get older.
It takes someone "older than their years" to lead an NFL team as a rookie, and Winston doesn't appear to have any such leadership skills. Its a huge question mark how he will respond to all the losing that will certainly come in the NFL. It would do him best to be taken later by a team with a veteran QB and sit the bench for several years than be "thrown to the wolves" on opening day behind a poor offensive line.
Anyone who doesn't think this is a fair assessment is delusional at best.
Winston is only "deceptively athletic". People think he's some kind of athlete because he was a baseball player also, and its a bad assumption because he isn't some Deion-like athlete - he was a relief pitcher. He doesn't have NFL "alluding" skills and the defenses in the NFL are going to be better than the ones he performed poorly against last year. Oregon demonstrated that even a good defensive game plan without an SEC-level defense can shut him down as well.
In 2013, FSU played the weakest SOS of any BCS title game participant in the entire era. They also had 13 draft picks. Winston looked good. In 2014, the quality of the defenses he played improved tremendously. And while he still had a)5 SR offensive linemen and b)two receivers who will be playing in the NFL, his stats regressed significantly and he looked lost against the better defenses he played. While FSU fans try to excuse or explain away the interceptions, UF and Louisville ate him alive and dropped another 4 or 5 interceptions. Likewise, balls skipping off a receiver's hand for a cheap int is a fact of the game and happens to even the best receivers in the NFL. Good QB's mitigate these "flukes" by not throwing "bad" interceptions. Winston couldn't limit "bad" interceptions against good defenses, thus 18 interceptions with a few flukes.
There is clear evidence that Winston wasn't the "same player" in 2014. Many people, especially nole fans, commented on this throughout the year. After the season is over, we find that an MRI shows "Shoulder weakness", something that may be treatable. His agent says this is "left over from baseball", which should be concerning rather than assuring. It means he either injured his shoulder playing baseball in '14(and hid it all season) or has "worn out" his shoulder and may no longer have the consistent arm strength he demonstrated in 2013.
Winston demonstrated for two years a lack of respect for authority. Forget the off the field stuff if you want to right now, but his tantrums with Fisher and the attempt to "overrule" the university and coaching staff at the beginning of the Clemson game should be worrisome. Several NFL analysts and insiders have stated they would never draft a kid like this. He doesn't appear coachable and essentially blamed the rest of the team for the Oregon loss.
His offseason and off the field work ethic is questionable. He clearly has an issue keeping his weight down. This doesn't get easier as you get older.
It takes someone "older than their years" to lead an NFL team as a rookie, and Winston doesn't appear to have any such leadership skills. Its a huge question mark how he will respond to all the losing that will certainly come in the NFL. It would do him best to be taken later by a team with a veteran QB and sit the bench for several years than be "thrown to the wolves" on opening day behind a poor offensive line.
Anyone who doesn't think this is a fair assessment is delusional at best.
I would hope folks (myself included) would be able to differentiate between QB performance and whethor or not a team "sucks." i.e., the JW could perform well and the Bucs still suck.
Winston was 29/45 (65%) 348 YDS 1TD 1INT I wouldn't call that shut down.
Solid post, right here. I'm surprised this hasn't been discussed more. BUT, the 100+ throws (only 11 incomplete...including 5 drops) at FSU's pro-day may have squashed this. I'd be curious if he could do that 2 days in a row, though (if there's merit to your post...which there very well could be.)
Aside from the Oregon and leadership comment, I think your assessment is fair...not that my opinion matters on this board.
As far as leadership, though, the NYT even did a story on Winston's Leadership ability titled, "At 19, Jameis Winston is a Quick Learner and a Decisive Leader." Coaches, Teamates and Sports Pundits rave about his "on field" leadership.
Sean MacGuire's parents even did an interview thanking JW for his amazing leadership.
This post was edited on 4/3 1:26 PM by alaskanseminole
I can't believe this is still going LOL. But I'll drop my thoughts since I'm guessing it'll go a few more pages. I don't think Winston will 'bust' but I don't think he'll be great or even good for a few reasons:
1) Lack of discipline
2) Glaring lack of athleticism
3) Throws it up for grabs a lot.
4) Long, slow release.
On the lack of discipline, he showed up at the combine around 230 ish. And that was after he said he lost nearly 30 pounds pre-combine. So he was hovering around 260 before then. Even now he still has that skinny fat physique going. It's like you're already under all this scrutiny, you know you have to workout for teams, and you let yourself balloon up in weight like that? What does that say about his work ethic or discipline? That would rub me the wrong way if I were a GM. It says to me you're already somewhat lazy in the offseason now and you're broke, what type of work will you put in once you have a few million guaranteed?
2) Athletically, it just isn't there. Now I know what people are gonna say...he's a pocket QB so it doesn't matter. Buuut, kinda does. If you look at the trend in the NFL right now, even the pocket guys like Luck ran a 4.6 and was one of the best athletes at the combine. Same with a guy like Russell Wilson who is considered a pocket guy by today's standards and he ran a 4.5. You go from Luck to Cam to RGIII to Wilson to Kaepernick and all the new QB's entering the league now are athletic. The reason is because defenses are getting bigger and faster and a pocket guy just doesn't really cut it anymore unless they have an elite football mind. I know everyone is gonna say Peyton Manning or Tom Brady but they were drafted 15 years ago AND despite his apparent football IQ, I haven't seen Winston operate an offense like those guys. The pass rush today just swallows guys with no mobility. And isn't just the 5.03 40-time with Winston either, it's the lack of agility and overall just poor testing in damn near every single athletic test. You can be slow in a straight line if you have excellent feet in the pocket like a Romo, but Winston is very awkward athletically.
3) Winston takes a lot of chances, something I noticed in 13'. He often got away with it then because he had a 6'5, 240 lb. monster to go up and get it. Without Benjamin some of those jump balls turned into INT's. Now it wasn't all him, there were times where the receivers screwed up (Wilson's pick this year comes to mind, Wilson made a great play on the ball but the receiver went up the seam for some reason rather than run the square in allowing Wilson to come underneath). He got away with it against overmatched college defenses but NFL defenses will eat that up.
4. Photo evidence (you noles should like this pic though.)
He takes the ball almost to his hip in his wind up. I can't remember a successful pro QB ever throwing like that. You just give defenses way too much time to jump routes which was an issue I noticed when FSU played us. Our DB's smothered FSU's receivers and part of it was because even when they were open, we were able to close cushion quickly because balls were not coming out on time. We know from his baseball background that he has a strong arm but because of that wind up he has to basically be on a next level anticipating throws for him to throw completions, that's gonna be a problem in the NFL. It's kinda the same issue Tebow had, though Winston's motion isn't near as bad as Tebow's was. But people seem to overlook Winston's motion for some reason. It needs work.
All that said, he's not gonna be bad. I think he'll be one of the top 15-16 QB's in the league. He won't live up to a #1 pick hype if he gets drafted in that spot though IMO.
1) Lack of discipline
2) Glaring lack of athleticism
3) Throws it up for grabs a lot.
4) Long, slow release.
On the lack of discipline, he showed up at the combine around 230 ish. And that was after he said he lost nearly 30 pounds pre-combine. So he was hovering around 260 before then. Even now he still has that skinny fat physique going. It's like you're already under all this scrutiny, you know you have to workout for teams, and you let yourself balloon up in weight like that? What does that say about his work ethic or discipline? That would rub me the wrong way if I were a GM. It says to me you're already somewhat lazy in the offseason now and you're broke, what type of work will you put in once you have a few million guaranteed?
2) Athletically, it just isn't there. Now I know what people are gonna say...he's a pocket QB so it doesn't matter. Buuut, kinda does. If you look at the trend in the NFL right now, even the pocket guys like Luck ran a 4.6 and was one of the best athletes at the combine. Same with a guy like Russell Wilson who is considered a pocket guy by today's standards and he ran a 4.5. You go from Luck to Cam to RGIII to Wilson to Kaepernick and all the new QB's entering the league now are athletic. The reason is because defenses are getting bigger and faster and a pocket guy just doesn't really cut it anymore unless they have an elite football mind. I know everyone is gonna say Peyton Manning or Tom Brady but they were drafted 15 years ago AND despite his apparent football IQ, I haven't seen Winston operate an offense like those guys. The pass rush today just swallows guys with no mobility. And isn't just the 5.03 40-time with Winston either, it's the lack of agility and overall just poor testing in damn near every single athletic test. You can be slow in a straight line if you have excellent feet in the pocket like a Romo, but Winston is very awkward athletically.
3) Winston takes a lot of chances, something I noticed in 13'. He often got away with it then because he had a 6'5, 240 lb. monster to go up and get it. Without Benjamin some of those jump balls turned into INT's. Now it wasn't all him, there were times where the receivers screwed up (Wilson's pick this year comes to mind, Wilson made a great play on the ball but the receiver went up the seam for some reason rather than run the square in allowing Wilson to come underneath). He got away with it against overmatched college defenses but NFL defenses will eat that up.
4. Photo evidence (you noles should like this pic though.)
He takes the ball almost to his hip in his wind up. I can't remember a successful pro QB ever throwing like that. You just give defenses way too much time to jump routes which was an issue I noticed when FSU played us. Our DB's smothered FSU's receivers and part of it was because even when they were open, we were able to close cushion quickly because balls were not coming out on time. We know from his baseball background that he has a strong arm but because of that wind up he has to basically be on a next level anticipating throws for him to throw completions, that's gonna be a problem in the NFL. It's kinda the same issue Tebow had, though Winston's motion isn't near as bad as Tebow's was. But people seem to overlook Winston's motion for some reason. It needs work.
All that said, he's not gonna be bad. I think he'll be one of the top 15-16 QB's in the league. He won't live up to a #1 pick hype if he gets drafted in that spot though IMO.
Interesting take, oozie. I assumed the opposite. I thought the fact Winston has the great ability to put the ball where the receiver is supposed to be (as opposed to looking for the open guy) was going to be his NFL strength; especially considering he'd have better receivers/route runners in the NFL.
The thing I noticed the most in 14 vs 13 was the fact the freshman receivers (early on) weren't where they were supposed to be and Greene was double covered half the time.
oh, and what do you mean he's not athletic!?
Jameis anticipates really well. He's one of the few QB's in college football who actually do it at a very good level. What I'm saying though is that with the step up in competition and his slow release, he's going to have to anticipate at an elite level down after down after down to complete passes. And that's damn near impossible. But that's assuming he doesn't fix his release, he's going to have to.
Another interesting point...he only played two seasons, and most of these games were far from quality opponents as we know, but we should also consider that he was not there for spring football as far as I know, due to baseball. This makes his time very limited...I think he barely if that meets what is suggested as a minimum number of games needed to succed quickly in the NFL (Jimmy Johnson said this maybe?) He really does have a severe lack of experience, and what he does have is very limited in regards to NFL level defensive players. Combine this with an amazing sense of entitlement and over confidence, and I think he gets banged around quite hard, and quite quickly...
This post was edited on 4/3 7:58 PM by djegators
This post was edited on 4/3 7:58 PM by djegators
This is absolutely a valid point and why I've said from the jump that he should have come back. Projected 1st round players should bolt at every position except QB. QB's need 4-5 years in college. The best 3 and done QB in the NFL is Matt Stafford (excluding Rodgers because he sat on the bench for 3 years). That says a lot. The best thing for Winston's career long term would be to ride the bench as a rookie.
He should have come back but there's no way he could.
As I've said several times before, whether it's right or wrong, trouble and controversy seems to follow Winston, and another year im college (with the two years off draft attrition added in) could have been disastrous for him.
Sometimes a change of scenery is best for people, and I don't think staying in Tallahassee would have helped him much.
He's going to have even less talented/experienced players if he stayed with FSU, and might look even worse than he did this year. It's also very likely that he would continue to find himself in the headlines for more idiocy.
So he couldn't stay.
I'll put it this way though. This QB class is so weak, and the way the draft has worked out, teams at the top need QBs. So it's inevitable. But I will be absolutely shocked if he actually does succeed. In my opinion, for that to happen, several things must happen:
1. The offensive scheme at Tampa must benefit him. They have to focus on protecting him and giving him safety blankets that allow him to manage, not lead.
2. Someone must monitor (similar to Dez Bryant in some ways) his off the field behavior. Both from a PR perspective and a health perspective. Somewhere between the Oregon game and the combine, he packed on enough weight to put him at 260, and then managed to drop about 30 pounds. That's a nightmare. He's too young to have those sort of weight issues and it will only get more difficult as he gets older and has expendable cash. That has to be put in check. Not to mention his ability to create controversy and lose his cool.
3. His throwing motion has to be fixed. Period.
Here's the problem:
1. His coach is Lovie Smith and Tampa is horrid. He won't get the tools he needs.
2. I have serious doubts that he is able to control himself, even under supervision (and then add millions of dollars).
3. Throwing motions are hard to correct, especially for QBs that have a baseball (specifically pitching) background. Compound that with a supreme confidence in his abilities and I simply don't see it happening. He does not take criticism or blame. That's a huge stumbling block he has to overcome or else he becomes "uncoachable." After 3 years under Fiaher, who all but let him have free reign, I don't think that mentality is going to change.
Honestly. In my open, the kid has Ryan Leaf written all over him.Sure the raw talent is there, but his other issues will doin him.
But let me guess...I'm just another hater
As I've said several times before, whether it's right or wrong, trouble and controversy seems to follow Winston, and another year im college (with the two years off draft attrition added in) could have been disastrous for him.
Sometimes a change of scenery is best for people, and I don't think staying in Tallahassee would have helped him much.
He's going to have even less talented/experienced players if he stayed with FSU, and might look even worse than he did this year. It's also very likely that he would continue to find himself in the headlines for more idiocy.
So he couldn't stay.
I'll put it this way though. This QB class is so weak, and the way the draft has worked out, teams at the top need QBs. So it's inevitable. But I will be absolutely shocked if he actually does succeed. In my opinion, for that to happen, several things must happen:
1. The offensive scheme at Tampa must benefit him. They have to focus on protecting him and giving him safety blankets that allow him to manage, not lead.
2. Someone must monitor (similar to Dez Bryant in some ways) his off the field behavior. Both from a PR perspective and a health perspective. Somewhere between the Oregon game and the combine, he packed on enough weight to put him at 260, and then managed to drop about 30 pounds. That's a nightmare. He's too young to have those sort of weight issues and it will only get more difficult as he gets older and has expendable cash. That has to be put in check. Not to mention his ability to create controversy and lose his cool.
3. His throwing motion has to be fixed. Period.
Here's the problem:
1. His coach is Lovie Smith and Tampa is horrid. He won't get the tools he needs.
2. I have serious doubts that he is able to control himself, even under supervision (and then add millions of dollars).
3. Throwing motions are hard to correct, especially for QBs that have a baseball (specifically pitching) background. Compound that with a supreme confidence in his abilities and I simply don't see it happening. He does not take criticism or blame. That's a huge stumbling block he has to overcome or else he becomes "uncoachable." After 3 years under Fiaher, who all but let him have free reign, I don't think that mentality is going to change.
Honestly. In my open, the kid has Ryan Leaf written all over him.Sure the raw talent is there, but his other issues will doin him.
But let me guess...I'm just another hater
What's sad is all these newspaper/ Radio and T.V. guys who say he is far and away the best QB out there. Ask Ron Jaworski about him. A man who unlike 99.9999% of you expert nolies actually played Pro Football. A guy who has watched more film in a day than most do in a year. He sees flaws in Winston and says he would not draft him #1. But, I'm sure all you Nole expert's can tell me why he is wrong.
I think we all know that, as a franchise, both Tampa and Temnessee should look to trade their picks at the top and get players and extra draft picks
Tampa can't (Tennessee may try and get Phil Rivers though because it would work into their plan to grow Mettenberger while San Diego drafts Mariota and puts him in a location that's near his comfort zone and builds for the future).
You don't find it odd that Tampa can't find a decent way to trade the pick? It's a weak QB class.
If other NFL GMs really felt that Winston was a home run, they'd make a move, and Tampa would accept because they need talent.
Funny thing is, it's not even a topic of conversation.
Tampa can't (Tennessee may try and get Phil Rivers though because it would work into their plan to grow Mettenberger while San Diego drafts Mariota and puts him in a location that's near his comfort zone and builds for the future).
You don't find it odd that Tampa can't find a decent way to trade the pick? It's a weak QB class.
If other NFL GMs really felt that Winston was a home run, they'd make a move, and Tampa would accept because they need talent.
Funny thing is, it's not even a topic of conversation.
Bucs can't trade it, for a number of reasons. Main reason is that the top overall pick comes along very rarely, it's a chance ou cannot pass on. Second, the way picks are valued, it would have to be someone within a few spots wanting to move up that could afford it, and even then it would be costly, and obviously no one else in the top five values jamie that much. Third reason is, they HAVE to get a QB, and if they don't get one of the top two, there is not much chance of them lasting long as a staff. Taking the QB grants them a lot more time to get the ship righted, but passing on the QB, and continuing struggle will get them fired sooner rather than later.
