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Why put tariffs on Canada?

I think we've had just about "enough" of faux "Independents" commentary around here. Where is our MARTA guy tonight?

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Dude. You are wasting your band width with this guy. TDS is a serious illness, I believe in his case it's terminal. 😂
I still try and reach Zeiots from time to time to see if they can open their minds and see both sides of an issue. Occasionally, you find one that will actually listen.
Lol
 
I will grant you there are some risk and I have reservations, but I think the three main things Trump is trying to achieve are: secure borders, he’s trying to entice companies to move back to America or move to America to build their goods. He’s trying to make it more appealing to manufacture in America.
Third I think he’s trying to force other countries to respect and value their ability to trade with America as opposed to just take advantage of America.

It’s risky, but it worked in 2016 and I hope it will work again now.
This is well said.

Let's break this down.

What he is doing against Mexico and the emergency powers is absolutely spot on. Anyone who questions this can GTFO.

China is part of a broader and very complicated discussion that includes Semiconductor risk in Taiwan.

The only part of the strategy that I disagree with on Canada is two fold:

1. He should have said the 51st through 60th states (pick off states one by one, starting with the conversative ones that are essentially Montana, Wyoming, etc.

2. Work to get Pierre P. on board and isolate Trudeau. Tell Pierre - "this is simple. You need to shut down your borders and elimitate, physically the Fentynal production actions, do action ___, ___ and ___ and let's get a deal done. He talks to Pierre and avoids Trudeau. If Canada wants to end the pain, then get Trudeau the F Out.

Pierre is on our side.

With that said, Trump has not made many mistakes over the past 6-12 months.

Let's see how this plays out.
 
This is well said.

Let's break this down.

What he is doing against Mexico and the emergency powers is absolutely spot on. Anyone who questions this can GTFO.

China is part of a broader and very complicated discussion that includes Semiconductor risk in Taiwan.

The only part of the strategy that I disagree with on Canada is two fold:

1. He should have said the 51st through 60th states (pick off states one by one, starting with the conversative ones that are essentially Montana, Wyoming, etc.

2. Work to get Pierre P. on board and isolate Trudeau. Tell Pierre - "this is simple. You need to shut down your borders and elimitate, physically the Fentynal production actions, do action ___, ___ and ___ and let's get a deal done. He talks to Pierre and avoids Trudeau. If Canada wants to end the pain, then get Trudeau the F Out.

Pierre is on our side.

With that said, Trump has not made many mistakes over the past 6-12 months.

Let's see how this plays out.
Well, Trudeau has already resigned, so he is on his way out.
 
Physician heal thyself.
Right because I have not argued with everybody in here on various topics ranging from vaccines to Covid to politics. I think I’ve clearly shown to be a person in here that’s pretty objective and looks at both sides of an argument since I’ve pretty much argued with everybody in this form at least once.

Lol

But unlike you, I actually listen to other people and occasionally even change my mind based off of what I learned. We can all learn from each other as long as we’re not zealots.
 
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2. Work to get Pierre P. on board and isolate Trudeau. Tell Pierre - "this is simple. You need to shut down your borders and elimitate, physically the Fentynal production actions, do action ___, ___ and ___ and let's get a deal done. He talks to Pierre and avoids Trudeau. If Canada wants to end the pain, then get Trudeau the F Out.

Pierre is on our side.
Trudeau is already supposed to leave. Maybe the tariffs are to try and help Pierre win. Trump is hopefully working back channels to help Pierre end woke and restore free speech and religion to Canada. Their immigration polices are insane and are allowing the enemy to migrate next door. They will end up like the UK and put people in jail for criticizing Islam, migrants and other "protected" classes. Then some American will innocuously state his opinion on something and get arrested while on vacation there. Woke needs to be ended everywhere to make the world safer for all freedom loving people.

Now if we can just get their oil into the pipeline and build more refineries.

I don't want them as a 51st state unless we have a COS and enshrine conservatism into the constitution. There are too many libs there. I love to vacation there but have never thought about living there.
 
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Brad,

I understand the argument for tariffs in general and am not making an issue with that. My question specifically relates to Canada. My understanding is that the treaty we currently operate with is the one Trump himself negotiated. Based on statistics....the Fentanyl issue is tiny compared to Mexico and others.

So what is it that is unfair with regard to Canadian trade? Its an honest question because Canada, to me, seems like a much different problem than Mexico and China and yet they are getting a similar treatment.
Fact sheet put out by the White House (FWIW)


Just a WAG here . . . Trudeau's a stumbling block.
 
I'm wondering if eventually Trump would float the idea of each providence becoming a state? Maybe as a way to get Canadians on board with the idea.
No way we infest ourselves with people who voted in Trudeau and are comfortable with putting people in jail for "hate" speech aka socially conservatives speech.

We need to work on preventing leftist from gaining power and preventing them from doing anything with it if they do gain power.

Canadians can be trusted to be polite leftist sheep who would make things worse here.

I am a big COS states guy.

With the right amendments we can allow dems to take power and run their small in scale and scope federal gubmint while we average joes go about our lives unmolested by the nannies. Until then we don't need to add anyone unless they are a socially and fiscally conservative society.
 
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Trudeau is already supposed to leave. Maybe the tariffs are to try and help Pierre win. Trump is hopefully working back channels to help Pierre end woke and restore free speech and religion to Canada. Their immigration polices are insane and are allowing the enemy to migrate next door. They will end up like the UK and put people in jail for criticizing Islam, migrants and other "protected" classes. Then some American will innocuously state his opinion on something and get arrested while on vacation there. Woke needs to be ended everywhere to make the world safer for all freedom loving people.

Now if we can just get their oil into the pipeline and build more refineries.

I don't want them as a 51st state unless we have a COS and enshrine conservatism into the constitution. There are too many libs there. I love to vacation there but have never thought about living there.
I totally agree. We don't need another state like California or New York. Eff that. And while we are at it, we should sell Puerto Rico to either Spain or England. Enough with their BS.
 
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I totally agree. We don't need another state like California or New York. Eff that. And while we are at it, we should sell Puerto Rico to either Spain or England. Enough with their BS.
Puerto Rico is just fine as they are as a vassal state.

In fact I would help Greenland move to independence and then cut some similar deal with them.

I tell Denmark that is were we are headed unless they make a deal. They get paid and we get Greenland or we work to push them to vote for independence and they get nothing.
 
Fact sheet put out by the White House (FWIW)


Just a WAG here . . . Trudeau's a stumbling block.
Okay thanks for the info Brad. Still seems strange to treat Mexico and Canada the same, but let's see what happens.
 
Okay thanks for the info Brad. Still seems strange to treat Mexico and Canada the same, but let's see what happens.
When it comes to letting fentanyl cross our border and kill our citizens, they are the same. Different degrees maybe but the same.
 
Canada is one conservative leader away from flipping back to a fairly normal country so I’m not to worried about them, Mexico on the other hand has 5 DO NOT TRAVEL states, and 7 reconsider travel to those specific states. MEXICO IS A HELLHOLE!! Rival cartels are now going at each other again fighting for territorial control and the murders and kidnappings have skyrocketed to the stratosphere. Honestly, after the death they distributed across our country with fentanyl and the disregard for our citizens I hope Trump bombs that place into dust. The Mexican Government either are total cowards in facing and ridding the cartel power over their country or they are just completely and totally complacent in allowing those dealers of death to run loose. 47 must FINISH THEM!!
 
Canada is one conservative leader away from flipping back to a fairly normal country so I’m not to worried about them, Mexico on the other hand has 5 DO NOT TRAVEL states, and 7 reconsider travel to those specific states. MEXICO IS A HELLHOLE!! Rival cartels are now going at each other again fighting for territorial control and the murders and kidnappings have skyrocketed to the stratosphere. Honestly, after the death they distributed across our country with fentanyl and the disregard for our citizens I hope Trump bombs that place into dust. The Mexican Government either are total cowards in facing and ridding the cartel power over their country or they are just completely and totally complacent in allowing those dealers of death to run loose. 47 must FINISH THEM!!
Supports my point.
 
@Hotlanta_Bill @Illegal-shift and other libs. I keep tellin you guys this, but if you will put aside your TDS and objectively LISTEN to what Trump says (and does NOT say), you can figure out what's going on.

For instance: Trump is attacking Trudeau, but not Canada.

He's attacking China, but not Xi Jinping.

What can we LOGICALLY take from that? He's saying that China has control of Trudeau, but Xi Jinping is NOT involved.

What can we LOGICALLY take from that? He seems to be saying that there's a corrupt government in China just like there is here.
 
@Hotlanta_Bill @Illegal-shift and other libs. I keep tellin you guys this, but if you will put aside your TDS and objectively LISTEN to what Trump says (and does NOT say), you can figure out what's going on.

For instance: Trump is attacking Trudeau, but not Canada.

He's attacking China, but not Xi Jinping.

What can we LOGICALLY take from that? He's saying that China has control of Trudeau, but Xi Jinping is NOT involved.

What can we LOGICALLY take from that? He seems to be saying that there's a corrupt government in China just like there is here.
BINGO...almost everything he is doing, including Greenland is about China.
 
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I'm wondering if eventually Trump would float the idea of each providence becoming a state? Maybe as a way to get Canadians on board with the idea.
Ghost - this is EXACTLY what i was thinking.

Many of the provinces are just like Montana, Wyoming, etc. and would much rather be in the U.S. then with say Ontario
 
BINGO...almost everything he is doing, including Greenland is about China.
They wanted illegals to cross and get citizenship.
This, Trooper x10,000 percent. Get citizenship, vote democratic, further open borders, never lose an election again and make this country un-recognizable.

As this group KNOWS, I said that Illegal Immigration is our #1 issue. I could NOT be more THRILLED with how Trump is operating in the first few weeks.

He made a promise to fix this, and is fixing it.

It's early days, but he is on track to make a bigger impact than Reagan and I never thought I would say that.
 
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Puerto Rico is just fine as they are as a vassal state.

In fact I would help Greenland move to independence and then cut some similar deal with them.

I tell Denmark that is were we are headed unless they make a deal. They get paid and we get Greenland or we work to push them to vote for independence and they get nothing.
Spot on. So spot on.

Greenland - who would have thought on how strategic Greenland is. Trump did. It's incredible.
 
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