Well Hole fans, Norvell’s team looks worse than Taggart’s
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If FSU doesn’t get the prez and bot’s on board the program will continue to struggle.
We just replaced the head of our boosters Andy miller, he has been there 30 yrs and im glad hes gone. . We are going into transition with the prez so i think you are right on that part.
Word on the streets is that Blackman is not starting this weekend..... Freshman Tate Rodemaker is
He better win this game or FSU is going to spiral down into a Hell beyond anyone's imagining. No pressure.
Mullen came in and took one of the worse teams in the country and a program that had been ran into the ground to 2 double digit winning seasons....not to mention doing it on the biggest stages. You have to win to turn it around.
Nobody can be worse than Blackman.
Generally i'd agree but these things have changed over time. The custom use to be a coach had 5 full years to turn things around, NFL and college.
Now in the NFL you have 1.5 years to show immense change and you better be winning it all in year 3 or4. College isn't that far behind.
This is the new standard - hell - just 3 months ago Gator fans were/still are torching Mullen over the fact he doesn't have a #1 recruiting class. Time have changed.
Im not convinced the Gators were that bad. They werent ultra talented by Butter tooth coached them to 2 SEC championship games...... The SEC east was very weak at the time and it allowed an opening for mullen which he took advantage of... Now we should be better than what we are so far but make no mistake, Blackman makes everyone look worse than ehat they are. The defense is what concerns me... The offense cant be good because of QB play.
We had some talent but in McElwain’s last year he went 4-8. It is more than just talent sometimes. It can be a bad culture, bad chemistry and all kinds of other factors at play as well. I think the talent was decent enough that it gave Mullen a chance to be successful but he had to fix everything else that was wrong inside the football program from the Muschamp and McElwain years.
FSU has much better talent then GT but still lost. FSU on paper isn’t 42 points worse than Miami but lost by 42. FSU has more than just lack of talent problems that Norvell has to try and fix.
Just trying to understand your point...
Mullen was able to get UF to bounce back quickly because the SEC East is full of weak teams, which is something FSU can't do? Because to say UF bounced back because of their weak conference is a bold statement for an ACC team to make.
I won't say there haven't been complaints about his recruiting, because there have been, but IMO it hasn't been a general concern, more the rantings of the fringe. In here it's been Gator Fever, and a bit by Jeff from Jax (he only complains about running backs); it's been mostly fleas calling him 3 star Mullen that has been the noise. General consensus with Gators seems to have been more of "it takes years to build up relationships with top recruits, having success and time to get to know them will lead to better results". He's now trying to sign guys who were sophomores in High School when he came on board, so the playing field is a bit more level. And of course, he's handicapped because he isn't handing out bags of cash like Georgia and Bama. But as soon as the NCAA lets players cash in on their likeness, it will be a true level playing field.
I think mullen did an excellent job. I wont ever take that away from him. He did have a weaker sec east to play against and had Franks (not great but better than blackman) and i think your overall roster was better than ours is now. We have some good players but we are super thin. I think Mullen did a better job yr 1 than norvell. Norvell has already processed 30 players... That is a lot. Hes got 3 high school qbs and the one we have committed this yr is very good (if we can keep him). I just dont think its an apples to apples comparison, i dont think any1 can turn around what we have this yr. This is our "4-8" year. I do think Norvell is the guy to do it just i like i knew Mullen would. So far, Mullen has been better but its very early and different situations. At least, in my opinion
100%. Our culture is terrible and hes doing a good job so far, didnt have as big of a chance because of covid but he rly is flipping the roster. What you said tho, i cant agree more, the chemistry, culture, recruiting, etc is so important. That has to change at fsu. Hes already gotten rid of 20 or so players. It will take time. We are going to suck this yr, thats obvious lol I think next yr we will be better and then the yr after that we have a chance.... If we can recruit through these down years
No way to build consistency and continuity taking on a dumpster fire football team in 1.5 years. It takes in most cases that long to simply address cultural issues.
Mullen has been the exception thus far.
People might have been posting negative stuff regarding the recruiting but they weren’t serious about getting rid of Mullen.
If they were they were delusional
Dissagree with much of this.
The 1 thing you can change on day one is the culture. The challenge that noles have is that there are signs Norvel didn't take control of the culture at the outset. I'm thinking about the team captain calling him out on social media. Then the challenge is - can you take control later in your tenure. That's very difficult to do.
I'm a recruiter by trade - when I work with employees you either take control of the relationship upfront or you tend to get run over. We'll see if Norvel is running the program soon. That's what I'd look at.
If I'm Norvel once the season is over - I'd run everyone off the team that wasn't 100% on board - he needs to run the offseason like he's a pirate captain lol. If not - he'll fail.
Yes I think that is one thing where Norvell has already struggled is changing the culture. He already has had Marvin Wilson and Terry questioning things and they were supposed to be the team leaders of this team and came back for their senior years. Sure enough neither one of those 2 are playing very good right now at all. That is the most important thing that Norvell needs to do is fix the dressing room and the mentality. The ACC isn’t exactly loaded with great teams/talent and FSU still has one of the most talented teams in the conference. What teams have more talent than FSU in the ACC?
I have worked with hundreds of recruiters, hired nearly 1500-2000 people over the past 30 years and helped build several businesses.
I only say that to make a point and that is culture does not change day one, it can be very difficult to turn the titanic and FSU is that ship.
Culture was going down hill under Jimbo, worse under Willie and now Norvell has his work cut out.
I respect your opinion but my experience tells me otherwise
It depends on what the issues are... For us the main issue is QB and o line. We have recruited both fairly well as of late. Once we have them tye culture and chemistry needs to flip. It cant happen over night. I think this yr and next yr we are no good
I think you made my point for me.
I would say your issues run deep on the defensive side of the ball also
They have not looked good the first 2 games.... I knew they werent elite..... But i dont think anyone expected them to be this bad. Our fall MVP kaindoh. (5 star DE) and our only guy with a pulse on pass rushing got hurt..... We literally cant pressure the QB....which is making our defense look terrible
There is a lot more money in the game now...20 years ago not sure if any head coach made a million a year...very few. Top Coordinators make that and more now.
We were thin...had talent, won some close ones and came from behind to do it. Coaching and cultural changes were huge factors.
ALL THESE PLAYERS ARE AT RISK RIGHT NOW!!! Call the game and get them inside. CANCEL THE SEASON!!!
Jim Bates is a good dude. Unlike Marty Smith........has there been a bigger phaggot snowflake sideline reporter than that bag of hammers? LOL!!
