Urban is the greatest of all time!
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Certainly not the only reason.
But to be fair, Urban inherited some great defensive players from Zook and inherited a pretty good overall cupboard from Tressel. Yet those great players still have to be coached up and they still have to play as a team and be put into circumstances where they can succeed.
Doing that at one place is notable, but it could be luck, as I suspect we will see with Fisher. But winning three NCs at two different schools with two completely different university cultures is damned impressive, no matter what the circumstances might be.
But to be fair, Urban inherited some great defensive players from Zook and inherited a pretty good overall cupboard from Tressel. Yet those great players still have to be coached up and they still have to play as a team and be put into circumstances where they can succeed.
Doing that at one place is notable, but it could be luck, as I suspect we will see with Fisher. But winning three NCs at two different schools with two completely different university cultures is damned impressive, no matter what the circumstances might be.
Urban Meyer, Steve Spurrier, Lou Holtz, Danny Ford and Dennis Erickson are actually the only coaches in 40 years to with a title at one school and leave that school and coach at another college. Meyer clearly coached at two elite programs while the others did not. Spurrier is the only other to even have marginal success at another school after winning a title. Interesting stuff.
Did you forget about Nick Saban?
And Lou Holtz had success at Arkansas and modest success at USCe
Holtz coached at Arkansas before he went to Notre Dame and won a title. He also had a losing record in six years at USCe.
Thought Saban has won titles at both LSU and Bama. If titles at varying schools is the sole criteria for "GOAT" status, then Saban and Urban need to be in the same discussion.
Question (for anyone). Does 4 titles at one school mean as much, more or less than winning 2 at one and 2 at another?
So? Lou was still successful at more than one program. And you DID leave Saban out.
So, successful coaches at more than one place
Lou
Erickson
Spurrier
Saban
Meyer.
That list means doing so is not unprecedented. But it is rare and notable.
So, successful coaches at more than one place
Lou
Erickson
Spurrier
Saban
Meyer.
That list means doing so is not unprecedented. But it is rare and notable.
Thanks for that stat. So that's what, 5 coaches? I mean historically coaches haven't won a title somewhere and packed up and moved to another school. Winning 3 titles is elite regardless, but I don't think doing it at multiple schools makes it more impressive.
Bear Bryant didn't coach anywhere after Bama.
All I was trying to show is that it is very rare for a coach to leave one school for another once he has won a title. Most coaches coached somewhere else before being hired at the school where they won their title, so that's not what I was getting at.
Saban and Spurrier both tried out the NFL between title runs at different schools; Meyer had his issues and took time off. The other guys continued at their programs until they were forced out due to bad performance and never had similar success as they went to lesser programs. I'm just saying, its rare that a coach - any coach - gets a shot at two "elite" schools like Meyer and Saban. And unless there is some unusual situation, coaches do not tend to leave a school where they won a title(retiring and being fired are the reasons in most cases other than Spurrier, Saban and Meyer).
Its all start at top. We had a loser running the program. A loser with gutless personality, cancer of an attitude, a follower not a leader, an entitled person and to top that decision makers willing to save him to save their face. Its monumental how UF program has become trash. This happens in business world often like Sears once great organization now trash, because of getting bad leaders or losers pretending to be leaders. Foley has a lot to do with this downfall but Urban has NOTHING TO DO with this downfall. I will leave at that..
Honestly, even Coach Mac hire is an example how outdated and weak decision maker Foley is or how weak UF program has become that he has no balls to go after big names. The big time programs and big name ADs, like Michigan even at the lowest point in their history were willing to take shot at the man they wanted and got, where as Foley is paying more for some one who should not be in same sentence with Jim Harbauh (no offense intended to coach Mac).
There were enough indications last year to know that this is a loser, how can you lose to Div 2 school with more Injuries. How can a self respecting leader take such humiliation and not correct course. Muschamp may be the best person in real life (I doubt it) but he was an utter disgusting character on grid iron. He was every thing you don't want in a leader and Foley hiring him and keeping him is the Only reason for our downfall or perhaps a very long mediocre future.
Honestly, even Coach Mac hire is an example how outdated and weak decision maker Foley is or how weak UF program has become that he has no balls to go after big names. The big time programs and big name ADs, like Michigan even at the lowest point in their history were willing to take shot at the man they wanted and got, where as Foley is paying more for some one who should not be in same sentence with Jim Harbauh (no offense intended to coach Mac).
There were enough indications last year to know that this is a loser, how can you lose to Div 2 school with more Injuries. How can a self respecting leader take such humiliation and not correct course. Muschamp may be the best person in real life (I doubt it) but he was an utter disgusting character on grid iron. He was every thing you don't want in a leader and Foley hiring him and keeping him is the Only reason for our downfall or perhaps a very long mediocre future.
...and as mediocre of a coach as Muschamp is, you all would have still won 9-10 games this year if not for a freak rain storm, a dropped pass in the end zone against LSU and an unexplainable turn of events against USC. With a slightly better QB, you probably beat FSU too. Its hard to say how much is "coaching" and how much is talent, but you guys were in every game except Bama and Mizzou, and those really got away in the second half. While it is disappointing, I don't get what some of your fans are bitching about in regards to him "destroying the program" and using terms such as "dumpster fire" seems outlandish. You guys' biggest problems in his four years were the unprecedented number of injuries in 2013 and Driskell being a bust. Maybe someone else would have made JD into a serviceable QB, and maybe a better coach would have had you guys no worse than 6-6 in 2013, but I'm not sure what else you should "blame" him for or what else he could have done. Just my perspective..
How about next years 6 scholarship OL or 4/5 scholatship LB next year?
And for the bad breaks, only the officials stopped him frombreaking yet ANOTHER decades long streak against UK. As much as LSU could have seung, so could the decade long streak against UT have ended.
Yes I do unfortunately! Should control better but I have learned to call it the way it should be and muschamp failure just proves so many theories in leadership, human resources etc. I guess I do lose patience when I see people being dishonest about Urban Meyer, who did more than any one else for the program and blame him for things which quite frankly are not true (absolutely not true in year 4 of a new coach) but they were all out to protect this entitled guy. I just like to know the reason that why Zook was treated so unfairly but this guy was given too much leeway. Where is accountability?
That said, in staying with the spirit of this thread, God bless Urban Meyer. He is the best coach UF ever had or probably will ever have. Coach Meyer is also a great guy and a better person than what had and I will take Coach Meyer as a Coach, as a leader, as a decision maker any day over loser muschamp.
That said, in staying with the spirit of this thread, God bless Urban Meyer. He is the best coach UF ever had or probably will ever have. Coach Meyer is also a great guy and a better person than what had and I will take Coach Meyer as a Coach, as a leader, as a decision maker any day over loser muschamp.
Originally posted by oozie7:
This guy goes in on Muschamp at all times. Tell us how you really feel man. I don't even think I dislike Muschamp that much.
Yes I find my comments funny as well re-reading them! Did not know I will end up hating/abhorring some one this much but I guess to make things clear its not because Win or Loss. Wins and losses are part of life but I loathe this guy because he was given this life time opportunity to be a leader and teacher of young men. What he taught them was to just throw others under the bus, bully the weak (reporters in this case) with your so called knowledge of a subject re-midline BS, fight with a fan who in love for his program is doing whatever but a multi million dollar paid leader should have done better, and many more. This person and his apologists just ruined a program with out any accountability and what hurts me most is that they have not prepared many young men for their professional careers as they could have!
Fun fact for the raving lunatic: Did you know that as 2014, after years of steady decline, that there are more Florida players in the NFL than at any given time in our history (except for one year where we had 5 more actually).
I just can't believe the bad luck we've had. I now know how LSU fans feel about Saban. One coach at SC, one taking the money and recruits to Auburn and another winning a NC at OSU. Probably many more to come when we had him first! I hope hope hope coach Mac can ease the sadness of losing CM. Ugh.
Meyer will not get a statue, but he should get into the Ring of Honor. I imagine him and Tebow are the next two to get in.
I will agree. I believe a lot of the Gator Nation pushed him too much, too hard. I for one was upset the way he left and how he left UF in shambles.
But, nobody can say otherwise he is a good Coach and got his revenge on Nick Saban big time.
Why would Spurrier have 2 more titles or more than 2 titles? He won 1 national championship in 12 years. What makes you think he would have won more than 1. The data/trend says he was winning 1 national title every 12 years, so not sure how you figure he would have won 2 more titles or more if he stayed a little longer. Spurrier's a great coach, but I'm not just going to make stuff up and say he would have won more national titles either.
The 01' team was a game away from playing for a title. And had Spurrier returned most of those guys would have been back another year. They'd have stood a good chance of playing in a title game. I mean he guided USCe to three straight 11-2 seasons, but he couldn't have been in championship discussion at UF? I'm not guaranteeing it would have happened, which is why I said 'might.' But I do think we'd have been in the picture at a minimum of two more times.
I don't necessarily disagree, but all your doing is making an assumption. We have no way to really know what would have happened.
He's a great coach, but ultimately great coaches get measured by how many national titles they win, winning percentage, etc. He hurt his own legacy by going to USCe.
Yep or he could have even gone to coach at some Big 10 school and flipped that conference upside down and revolutionized it. He did that to the SEC when he arrived. He could have done the same thing to the Big 10, plus the competition would have been easier.
"The 1950 NCAA football season[/B] finished with the unbeaten and untied Oklahoma Sooners being the overwhelming choice for national champion. On New Year's Day, the 9-0-0 Sooners were upset by the 10-1-0 Kentucky Wildcats in the Sugar Bowl."
Bear Bryant was the HC of the Kentucky Widcats in 1950. The team, having defeated a previously undefeated and #1 ranked Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl, was later granted NC status. My uncle, who played for Bryant at Kentucky, was an assistant coach for Bryant at UK and had the NC ring. I think Bryant went to tA&M after UK, before landing at Bama.
And Spurrier never won a national title at two places.
Saban and Meyer are the only two in history, despite the above posted silliness about Bryant winning one at UK.
I think having three straight 11 win seasons, four straight bowl victories, and winning the division at South Carolina is as close to a National Title that anybody will ever get there.
Considering they'd never won the division and I think had only had one 10 win season in their entire history prior to Spurrier, I find that to be far more impressive in every way possible than taking over a program with 5 national titles and a year removed from a BCS game and leading them to a title in a crappy conference.
But there are some who literally only care about the rings as a measuring stick, and nothing else.
Considering they'd never won the division and I think had only had one 10 win season in their entire history prior to Spurrier, I find that to be far more impressive in every way possible than taking over a program with 5 national titles and a year removed from a BCS game and leading them to a title in a crappy conference.
But there are some who literally only care about the rings as a measuring stick, and nothing else.
Officially, Alabama and Tennessee both claim what most people would call secondary national titles. Those claims are posted on their respective web sites and listed in the press guides and other media publications. Sometimes I read where UK fans claim that that one title supposedly won by Bryant, but I have not yet seen an official UK proclamation.
