Uh-oh.....Coach Mac is pissed at those critical of the offense...

[keyzer soze]

And that's what bothers me with Michi.

He yells things at is like we think everything is just fine, but also believes that Mac goes to work every day thinking we're good.

That's not the case.
Meant the case with Muschamp either.

What we will find out is if Mac can fix the problem, unlike Muschamp.

I think Mac has the ability, but it may be difficult. Muschamp actually tried, and still does, to make things work but he simply can't do it.

Danny can do math. But Danny can't do calculus. That doesn't mean I don't understand that and it doesn't mean I can't try. It just doesn't click.

If I have a broken pocket watch and all the tools I have or know how to use are a shovel and a sledgehammer then what can I do? Hire a watchmaker.

Seems like Mac knows there's a problem. But he and Nuss don't have the tools or the know how to fix it.

He seems like he wants to keep doubling down on the system he is running now. It just won't work.

You want to know how we beat LSU? Because they run the same old crap that we do. It keeps teams that can match up on defense in the game. Think back on how many games bama used to play that were close at the half. Then bama would eventually wear them down with their superior talent and crush them in the 4th qtr.
Saban realized that teams like Texas A&M and Clemson and Ole Miss could beat him with their styles and it was a wake up call. He's moved on to the next thing and we're over here sifting through his leftovers

 

[oozie7]

And that's what bothers me with Michi.

He yells things at is like we think everything is just fine, but also believes that Mac goes to work every day thinking we're good.

That's not the case.
Meant the case with Muschamp either.

What we will find out is if Mac can fix the problem, unlike Muschamp.

I think Mac has the ability, but it may be difficult. Muschamp actually tried, and still does, to make things work but he simply can't do it.

Danny can do math. But Danny can't do calculus. That doesn't mean I don't understand that and it doesn't mean I can't try. It just doesn't click.

True enough. I don't think it'll be that difficult though. Unlike Muschamp there wasn't as much upfront hate and he didn't have to deal with the perception that he was a defensive coordinator and didn't know offense. I mean think about it, he only just started getting heat for the offense, Muschamp was getting that season 1. Move Nuss out and bring in somebody with some excitement and the mood of the fanbase changes. I don't think he'll even hesitate come the end of the season it'll be too obvious.

 

[Michi-Gator]

And that's what bothers me with Michi.

He yells things at is like we think everything is just fine, but also believes that Mac goes to work every day thinking we're good.

That's not the case.
Meant the case with Muschamp either.

What we will find out is if Mac can fix the problem, unlike Muschamp.

I think Mac has the ability, but it may be difficult. Muschamp actually tried, and still does, to make things work but he simply can't do it.

Danny can do math. But Danny can't do calculus. That doesn't mean I don't understand that and it doesn't mean I can't try. It just doesn't click.

No. You are giving me an unfair rap here. I know that Mac knows he is screwed offensively. I don't know if he can let go of his outdated system and adapt. Nuss or anyone else calling this 1980s offense is not going to work. Saban realized it. Mac needs to realize it if he wants to do it. Another transfer QB or JUCO OLmen is NOT going to fix this. He needs to forget what he knows and get a Helfrich and let them bring a modern offense. He is hands off at game time, so why not be hands off on someone who can put and offense on the field that highlights Florida talent?

 

[oozie7]

Why Helfrich? He didn't call the plays when Kelly was there and he doesn't call them now either. So he's been an OC in name only. Pass. Y'all haven't learned your lesson about coaches who get their rep working under HC's who specialize on that side of the ball? It would be like hiring Spurrier's OC.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Why Helfrich? He didn't call the plays when Kelly was there and he doesn't call them now either. So he's been an OC in name only. Pass. Y'all haven't learned your lesson about coaches who get their rep working under HC's who specialize on that side of the ball? It would be like hiring Spurrier's OC.

I think Helfrich knows that offense.

But yes, Brent Pease feom Boise comes to mind.

And fine, bring in RichRod as OC.

 

[Countygator]

I think Helfrich knows that offense.

But yes, Brent Pease feom Boise comes to mind.

And fine, bring in RichRod as OC.

I would take RichRod, hell, Art Briles at this point.

 

[Dannygator1989]

I oy say Helfrich because it's realistic.

Who's an OC somewhere you would bring in now adays?

They all would technically have the "yeah but they coached under a good offensive coach" problem.

 

[oozie7]

It's not necessarily that he coached under a good offensive coach. If anything that's a good thing they have that mentor. But I'd at least like for them to have called their own plays. You don't know how they handle it until they're doing it for real. And I wouldn't wanna be that team to find out the guy can't do it after you've hired them.

 

[DLinOrlando]

Have any of you seen this ? Read under Oregon

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...sel-relatively-calm-hirings-firings/94573922/

 

[Gator Fever]

Have any of you seen this ? Read under Oregon

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...sel-relatively-calm-hirings-firings/94573922/

Mac would go in a heartbeat but Oregon I doubt would hire him after what our offense has looked like. It would solve our issue if they did.

 

[MJWilliamson]

ripped from another board;

SOS: we suck and that means I suck

Zook: its correctable

Meyer: accountability (on the field) is my chief concern. Winners and losers

Muschamp: that's on me and we will get that fixed

Mac: isn't that stadium cool?

 

[HardeeWildcatFan]

U can get to Atlanta all u want if you can't win in Atlanta what good are you?

 

[MJWilliamson]

U can get to Atlanta all u want if you can't win in Atlanta what good are you?

Good enough to get to Atlanta. Which is better than 12 other coaches. But not much better than that.

 

[instaGATOR]

Good enough to get to Atlanta. Which is better than 12 other coaches. But not much better than that.

2015 Voted by the other 13 SEC coaches as the SEC CoY, went to Atlanta.

2016 The only coach in SEC History to get to Atlanta in his 1st 2 years at a school. (deserves SEC CoY again imoho, but it likely goes to Stoops or Franklin as they are also both deserving of it)

 

[GoFish2]

2015 Voted by the other 13 SEC coaches as the SEC CoY, went to Atlanta.

2016 The only coach in SEC History to get to Atlanta in his 1st 2 years at a school. (deserves SEC CoY again imoho, but it likely goes to Stoops or Franklin as they are also both deserving of it)

I didn't realize Franklin was still in the SEC. Thx for the education.

 

[Gator Fever]

U can get to Atlanta all u want if you can't win in Atlanta what good are you?

I agree it doesn't mean hardly anything when the East is down like this. Heck a team loaded with 3 stars won the East in 2013 and 2014.

 

[instaGATOR]

I didn't realize Franklin was still in the SEC. Thx for the education.

Brain Fart, instead of just the usual old fart....

Derek Mason, sorry bout that coach...

 

[GordonGecko]

ripped from another board;

SOS: we suck and that means I suck

Zook: its correctable

Meyer: accountability (on the field) is my chief concern. Winners and losers

Muschamp: that's on me and we will get that fixed

Mac: isn't that stadium cool?

Keep going!

Work backwards from Gary Darnell.

Galen Hall

Charley Pell..

 

[instaGATOR]

And especially don't leave out Dig Ducky...

 

[Dannygator1989]

And especially don't leave out Dig Ducky...

You would have an endless supply of gay nicknames.

Do you have one for yourself?

Like Instagram Gayturd?

Oh look at me! I'm as creative as you! And it took me all of 1 second!

 

[GordonGecko]

You would have an endless supply of gay nicknames.

Do you have one for yourself?

Like Instagram Gayturd?

Oh look at me! I'm as creative as you! And it took me all of 1 second!

Insta got some goodwill from me because I can actually read his posts these days...

I called him "insecureGATOR".

Parley CHELL!!!

Tem Tibow!!

 

[Dannygator1989]

Insta got some goodwill from me because I can actually read his posts these days...

I called him "insecureGATOR".

Parley CHELL!!!

Tem Tibow!!

Gay-Ray Dong-Yell

 

[instaGATOR]

If either of you twits had been at old Florida Field for the Doug Dickey years, you'd know that's how many Gator fans referred to loser Dickey. It's not new like you twits are.

And I'm very happy that you don't like my raggin' nick-names or my frequent use of the board supplied emo's, It inspires me to use them both as often as possible, in the hope that your raised blood pressure levels will have some positive results one day...

So for now, FU both,,, but have a GREAT DAY.

 

[MJWilliamson]

I agree it doesn't mean hardly anything when the East is down like this. Heck a team loaded with 3 stars won the East in 2013 and 2014.

It means something. It does not mean everything.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Keep going!

Work backwards from Gary Darnell.

Galen Hall

Charley Pell..

I was around for those coaches. All the way back to the Ray Graves era in fact. Do not remember a lot about the sideline and interview persona past Spurrier

 

[instaGATOR]

Dig-Ducky, Give-um HELL Pell, Ailin-Galen.
Darnell was just a shot-time interim, so he was not really worth any special treatments.

Ray was a good guy and a pretty darn good HC.
The rest were before my time.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Dig-Ducky, Give-um HELL Pell, Ailin-Galen.
Darnell was just a shot-time interim, so he was not really worth any special treatments.

Ray was a good guy and a pretty darn good HC.
The rest were before my time.

Dicky used to say; "we are playing not to lose." And coached accordingly.

Give 'em Hell Pell did not come from Charlie. Galen looked like a guy that your would be comfortable having a beer with. He was very quiet though. Terrible hire when he brought in Lynn Amedee as OC. This was the guy who said he had a strategy to use sophomore Emmitt Smith as a decoy

 

[MJWilliamson]

There are four players on this list .One is not like the other three;

 

[SwamiG8R]

Some of you need a different hobby.

Masturbation not enough?

 

[bradleygator]

There are four players on this list .One is not like the other three;

This is racist.

 

[MJWilliamson]

This is racist.

lulz

 

[Dannygator1989]

Serious question.

So it was announced back in July that Treon was transferring.

Um...did he die or something because he's disappeared from the Internet since then.

Maybe it's as simple as the fact that he's as bad at finding a new school as he is at finding an open receiver.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Great question. Could not google the answer

 

[oozie7]

I would add that Grier also has a smaller sample size than the other three and faced some bad defenses, especially against the pass.

ECU- 66th total, 88th passing efficiency
UK- 59th total, 76th passing efficiency
UT- 36th total, 43rd passing efficiency
Ole Miss- 54th total, 64thth passing efficiency
Mizzou- 6th total, 46th passing efficiency

And we underperformed when compared to what those defenses gave up on the year. These are what those defenses averaged giving up on a per game basis and in parentheses is what we did against them.

ECU- 401 ypg (373 yards)
UK- 394 ypg (245 yards)
UT- 362 ypg (392 yards)
Ole Miss- 389 ypg (355 yards)
Mizzou- 302 ypg ( 337 yards)

So only against UT and Mizzou were we above average. At the time Grier went out we were 84th in offense having played one good defense. And keep in mind that 84th ranking also includes a game against New Mexico St. which had a defense rated 124th to boost numbers. In other words...it was fools gold. I'm sure those numbers would have come down even more even with Grier much like they have this year. In comparison the back half of the year in 2015 we faced:

LSU- 25th
UGA- 7th
Vandy- 28th
South Carolina- 94th
FAU- 70th
FSU- 19th
Alabama- 3rd
Michigan-4th

That's 6 top 25 defenses as compared to just 1 faced by Grier. And then Vandy barely outside the top 25 at 28. And the one top 25 defense Grier faced (Mizzou) we only scored 14 offensive points. Point being...it isn't just the QB. We've underperformed a majority of the time regardless of who has been back there.

 

[oozie7]

All that said, I'd obviously rather have Grier than the other 3. But as I've been saying since last year we have systematic problems that aren't gonna be solved by just finding a 'good' QB. Seems like every QB we've had has regressed the longer they played under this staff. Treon's best games were early on then tanked afterwards. LDR looked at a minimum competent and got worse the more he played. Appleby's best game was UT and then he's just gotten worse the longer he's played. That's a trend that points to bad QB coaching. Nuss gotta go.

 

[Dannygator1989]

Say what you want, ooz, but Treon was so bad, they made him disappear.

 

[GordonGecko]

There are four players on this list .One is not like the other three;

Wow......that really puts it into perspective.

 

[oozie7]

Say what you want, ooz, but Treon was so bad, they made him disappear.

I would say his off the field issues made him disappear. I'm sure he could be a DB or WR somewhere on a lower level. But would you take a guy who has two sexual assault accusations and multiple drug suspensions? I wouldn't, especially not for a year or two of eligibility. Not worth it.

 

[MJWilliamson]

I would add that Grier also has a smaller sample size than the other three and faced some bad defenses, especially against the pass.

If we are to do this, then do this right. I did this last year.

Here is the analysis for Grier vs Harris. Grier did better against the defenses he faced than Harris did against the defenses he faced, when the defenses averages are adjusted. Here is the analysis;

In five starts, Grier only under performed against UK, his first start on the road.. In eight starts, Harris under performed at home against Vandy, @ USCe, at home against FAU, at home against FSU, and in Atlanta against Alabama.

'Nuff said

 

[oozie7]

Ummm we did it right. Your analysis doesn't make any sense because you completely discount quality of the opposing defenses. A team can be a top 25 team and still have a bad defense, as the stats I posted show. So UT or Ole Miss being 'top 25' teams means nothing when you're trying to gauge how well our offense performed against them.