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UF may just hold our destiny in the Swamp

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If FSU beats BC next weekend, we will roll into the swamp at 5-6 looking for bowl eligibility for the first time in 3 years. Our fate will likely be in your hands.

Probably looking at a 5-6 FSU vs 6-5 UF.
 
If FSU beats BC next weekend, we will roll into the swamp at 5-6 looking for bowl eligibility for the first time in 3 years. Our fate will likely be in your hands.

Probably looking at a 5-6 FSU vs 6-5 UF.

We might be playing for a bowl game ourselves.
 
I don't think we beat BC and I don't really know what to think about the UF game anymore. Still think UF is the better team.
 
I don't think we beat BC and I don't really know what to think about the UF game anymore. Still think UF is the better team.
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You missed possibly the worst performance by a UF team in modern day Gator history. I honestly can't think of a more worse game. At least in the loss against Georgia Southern we were down to our noodle arm 8th string QB. No excuse for the performance we had vs the Cocks.
 
You missed possibly the worst performance by a UF team in modern day Gator history. I honestly can't think of a more worse game. At least in the loss against Georgia Southern we were down to our noodle arm 8th string QB. No excuse for the performance we had vs the Cocks.
It was bad no doubt but you must have already forgotten some of the games we had with Muschamp & McElwain as well. There were a few stinkers mixed in there with those guys as well.
 
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It was bad no doubt but you must have already forgotten some of the games we had with Muschamp & McElwain as well. There were a few stinkers mixed in there with those guys as well.
There were some bad ones. The bowl loss to Louisville was bad. However I still can't think of one as bad as the SCar loss. A bad team. A first year coach. A blowout.
 
There were some bad ones. The bowl loss to Louisville was bad. However I still can't think of one as bad as the SCar loss. A bad team. A first year coach. A blowout.
Remember the Missouri and Vandy losses on our home field under Muschamp? The game where Missouri beat us by like 25 points and only had 150 yards of offense. That was pretty bad.
 
Remember the Missouri and Vandy losses on our home field under Muschamp? The game where Missouri beat us by like 25 points and only had 150 yards of offense. That was pretty bad.
The Missou game sticks out in my mind. That was in the Swamp, it was a disgrace. I think it started with the kickoff, if my memory is working. I just looked it up. 42-13. And Missouri sucked that year.
 
The Missou game sticks out in my mind. That was in the Swamp, it was a disgrace. I think it started with the kickoff, if my memory is working. I just looked it up. 42-13. And Missouri sucked that year.
It seemed like most collegiate programs were getting away with raping women during that time. It seemed they were ready to nail their coach, Gary Pinkel, for mishandling the rape cases that happened under his watch. Pinkel then announced his resignation along with him being diagnosed with non-hodgkins lymphoma. Not a word of the sexual assault incidents once Pinkel left.

Mizzou actually finished 11-3 that season as SEC East champs.

 
The Missou game sticks out in my mind. That was in the Swamp, it was a disgrace. I think it started with the kickoff, if my memory is working. I just looked it up. 42-13. And Missouri sucked that year.
Yes that’s is. I think they somehow got 42 points and didn’t have many offensive yards. They scored every way possible that game if I recall.
 
You may be in a little bit of denial yourself.
I’m not happy about this season and with Mullen but he’s been a much better coach at UF than both Muschamp and McElwain. I do think people seem to forget how bad it was. Mullen in his first 3 years took UF to 3 straight NY6 bowls and that was taking over a severely broken program from what Muschamp and McElwain did too it.
 
I’m not happy about this season and with Mullen but he’s been a much better coach at UF than both Muschamp and McElwain. I do think people seem to forget how bad it was. Mullen in his first 3 years took UF to 3 straight NY6 bowls and that was taking over a severely broken program from what Muschamp and McElwain did too it.
Yeah I don't know about that. Mullen is a smarter, more capable coach, as far as getting an offense going. But he's shown some very concerning characteristics that may be non-starters to run a program like UF. He appears to be a terrible recruiter. That's a non starter. He makes a ton of excuses. That's a non starter. He's shown arrogance to the point where he can't even acknowledge obvious problems with his program, let alone the ability to fix them. In my opinion, he's shown a concerning lack of fight and competitiveness, and his team has done the same. I'd give him a chance to show he can do better. But he needs to understand how dramatic the improvement has to be. His teams play two or three games a year where they look like top-5 teams and he seems to think that's good enough. He needs to understand that Meyer and Spurrier's teams played 10-12 games like that a year.
 
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Yeah I don't know about that. Mullen is a smarter, more capable coach, as far as getting an offense going. But he's shown some very concerning characteristics that may be non-starters to run a program like UF. He appears to be a terrible recruiter. That's a non starter. He makes a ton of excuses. That's a non starter. He's shown arrogance to the point where he can't even acknowledge obvious problems with his program, let alone the ability to fix them. In my opinion, he's shown a concerning lack of fight and competitiveness, and his team has done the same. I'd give him a chance to show he can do better. But he needs to understand how dramatic the improvement has to be. His teams play two or three games a year where they look like top-5 teams and he seems to think that's good enough. He needs to understand that Meyer and Spurrier's teams played 10-12 games like that a year.
You don’t know about what? If he’s not a much better coach or done much better than McElwain or Muschamp? I’m not sure exactly what you are getting at?
 
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You don’t know about what? If he’s not a much better coach or done much better than McElwain or Muschamp? I’m not sure exactly what you are getting at?
There's a lot involved in being a coach. Mcelwain was a total clown, so disregard him. As far as Muschamp, Mullen is a better coach, but the program may have been in better shape under Muschamp because he could recruit. If you blow him out, at least you've got a good roster for the next guy. Bottom line is both were fired in disgrace, so if you're hanging your hat on "oh he's better than Muschamp and Mcelwain" that still leaves you a long way to go to be an acceptable coach at UF.

I do think Mullen has shown enough upside to give him a chance to fix this. But this isn't fan overreaction. This season is a disaster. And everybody knew the problems before the season started. He's got his work cut out for him if he wants to keep this job. And to this point, he's not acting like it's that important to him.
 
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There's a lot involved in being a coach. Mcelwain was a total clown, so disregard him. As far as Muschamp, Mullen is a better coach, but the program may have been in better shape under Muschamp because he could recruit. If you blow him out, at least you've got a good roster for the next guy. Bottom line is both were fired in disgrace, so if you're hanging your hat on "oh he's better than Muschamp and Mcelwain" that still leaves you a long way to go to be an acceptable coach at UF.

I do think Mullen has shown enough upside to give him a chance to fix this. But this isn't fan overreaction. This season is a disaster. And everybody knew the problems before the season started. He's got his work cut out for him if he wants to keep this job. And to this point, he's not acting like it's that important to him.
Muschamp was terrible. He was 28-21 (.571%) in 4 years and only finished in the top 15 once in 4 years. Yes he could recruit but he was so bad at everything else. Mullen is currently 34-14 (.708%) in 4 years and finished in the top 15 3 times in 4 years. They aren’t even comparable. Heck even Jim McElwain had a better record than Muschamp at UF. That is how bad Muschamp was.
Nobody said this year wasn’t a struggle and that fans are overreacting. Who says that? What was said was it seems like people have short memories and forgot just how bad it was under Muschamp and McElwain.
 
Muschamp was terrible. He was 28-21 (.571%) in 4 years and only finished in the top 15 once in 4 years. Yes he could recruit but he was so bad at everything else. Mullen is currently 34-14 (.708%) in 4 years and finished in the top 15 3 times in 4 years. They aren’t even comparable. Heck even Jim McElwain had a better record than Muschamp at UF. That is how bad Muschamp was.
Nobody said this year wasn’t a struggle and that fans are overreacting. Who says that? What was said was it seems like people have short memories and forgot just how bad it was under Muschamp and McElwain.
You are SO right.

Mullen is so far above those two as a coach, it is astonishing to sadgator that people don’t remember how bad it was…

We all knew this year was going to be a step back before the season…Everybody…other than Fever setting him up…knew this…

It has, admittedly, been a worse season than we thought, and there have been some problematic moments with Mullen, and the recruiting isn’t what people expect…but it isn’t even close to what we went though with the last two “coaches.”
 
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Mullen's trajectory for turning out good doesn't look good at all. This is the first year the team was basically his recruits and the defense falls on him as a head coach just like the offense did on the coaches before him.

He is 2-6 against the teams that are usually the 2 biggest opponents in SEC play and 2-2 against an improving KY team. If we lose to Missouri this will be our first 6th place finish in the East since the expansion I think. While I think there is enough talent to salvage next season it looks like he will have his worst class possibly in 2022 which affects things down the road. You can also review the game plays and see defenders quick jogging instead of sprinting after receivers running with the ball allowing big plays.
 
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Will the Gators be back at full strength against Mizzou? Your team had at least 20 out with the flu against SoCackalacky which obviously affected the outcome.
 
Nobody said this year wasn’t a struggle and that fans are overreacting. Who says that? What was said was it seems like people have short memories and forgot just how bad it was under Muschamp and McElwain.
Anyone talking about McElwain and Muschamp in defending Mullen is saying fans are overreacting. You’re saying at least he’s not that bad. And we’re saying being better than two coaches that everyone agrees were terrible is not the standard.

The problem with recruiting is not that this looks like a bad class. The problem is whether Mullen understands the importance and whether he’s willing to do the work. If not, he’s not going to make it.
 
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Will the Gators be back at full strength against Mizzou? Your team had at least 20 out with the flu against SoCackalacky which obviously affected the outcome.
I realize it's a different sport, but the gator hoops team defeated a very good, experienced and well coached FSU team while battling the flu bug. Mullen used that as an excuse for his team.

If history repeats itself, none of these teams have won 3 straight against each other since Mizzou joined the SEC. UF has already won 2 straight.
 
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I realize it's a different sport, but the gator hoops team defeated a very good, experienced and well coached FSU team while battling the flu bug. Mullen used that as an excuse for his team.

If history repeats itself, none of these teams have won 3 straight against each other since Mizzou joined the SEC. UF has already won 2 straight.
I never heard a single reference to the flu bug with the basketball team until a day later.
 
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Anyone talking about McElwain and Muschamp in defending Mullen is saying fans are overreacting. You’re saying at least he’s not that bad. And we’re saying being better than two coaches that everyone agrees were terrible is not the standard.
But you guys are also saying fire Mullen and get Kiffin or Freeze. That's a sideways move at best.

IMO you keep Mullen, give him a chance to right the ship. I think this was your suggestion.

If he's truly lost the team, then the team will implode over the summer, the 2022 season will be a disaster out of the gate, and Mullen is fired by October.

That gives your AD and boosters weeks to get together a primo financial package for the next coach. You go big, you target elite coaches. You offer well over $10M a year. You get interest from major coaches at both the college and pro level.

Or fire Mullen today and hope you can get Kiffin before LSU or Miami does. I dunno, I think the Florida job is more prestigious than begging for Kiffin, but maybe I was wrong.
 
But you guys are also saying fire Mullen and get Kiffin or Freeze. That's a sideways move at best.

IMO you keep Mullen, give him a chance to right the ship. I think this was your suggestion.

If he's truly lost the team, then the team will implode over the summer, the 2022 season will be a disaster out of the gate, and Mullen is fired by October.

That gives your AD and boosters weeks to get together a primo financial package for the next coach. You go big, you target elite coaches. You offer well over $10M a year. You get interest from major coaches at both the college and pro level.

Or fire Mullen today and hope you can get Kiffin before LSU or Miami does. I dunno, I think the Florida job is more prestigious than begging for Kiffin, but maybe I was wrong.
I’d keep Mullen and give him a chance to get recruiting and defense sorted out. And ordinarily I’d agree that it’s crazy to talk about replacing him after one bad year. But A lot of what I’ve seen this year from Mullen makes me wonder if he really wants this job. He might have thought this was a three year stopover on the way to the NFL. If he’s not motivated to fix the obvious problems, then best to move on.
 
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