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I imagine Vandy comes out ahead of Florida when private and public universities are ranked. But being the best Public in the SEC is not bad. Hell, we would even look good in the ACC.
Look out University of Delaware. That galloping sound you hear is Renegade closing in on you!
This post was edited on 2/12 4:16 PM by bradleygator
This post was edited on 2/12 4:16 PM by bradleygator
Florida fans: Florida is a highly ranked University
FSU fans: Hey, look at us! One of our colleges ranked better than Florida in some obscure ranking service!
The envy is palpable.
FSU fans: Hey, look at us! One of our colleges ranked better than Florida in some obscure ranking service!
The envy is palpable.
Speaking of those rankings, MJ, I didn't see the school you got your undergrad degree from. Oh wait, you said you graduated from a private college in Iowa. That list was for public schools. Carry on....
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The survey places both UF and FSU higher than US News.
Unfortunately, US News is the only ranking that anyone really takes seriously.
This post was edited on 2/13 1:02 AM by Uniformed_ReRe
Unfortunately, US News is the only ranking that anyone really takes seriously.
This post was edited on 2/13 1:02 AM by Uniformed_ReRe
That "obscure" ranking service was US News & World Report -- which is by far the most respected ranking service.
Where did you go for undergrad anyway? Is this a secret? What school could be so bad that you dare not speak its name, even after getting a graduate degree from somewhere else?
This post was edited on 2/13 1:37 AM by Uniformed_ReRe
Ironically I clicked on FSU's page to see information about the school and how it rated so highly and got
We couldn't find the page you're looking for.
The link you used may be broken, or the page may not exist anymore.
Is FSU closing it's doors finally out of shame???
http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals/news/2015/02/12/college134097.html
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Is FSU closing it's doors finally out of shame???
http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals/news/2015/02/12/college134097.html
meH. It was a small private, spiritual school in Iowa. It had no sports. Decent academically. Total enrollment of fewer than a thousand. Liberal arts. Nothing to talk about really, other than I chose to go there because my interests and ambitions at the time were a bit different than what they later became.
I am amused that it seems to give danoleman so much pleasure when he points out that I did not attend Florida as an undergrad. After all I was the one that first wrote about it. He does not know me or know where live. He is not part of my circle. Neither are you. But even so, now you have apparently joined in the fun too. That is fine.
No one would know about it had I not written about it. So,if I was "embarrassed" by it, why would I have disclosed it in the first place? It also amuses me that that you guys seem to be so keen in finding out the name of that college. As if that means something. What would you do with that information? Ridicule me? Put it in your signature? Hell, danoleman has done all of that already. I guess you are ridiculing me too? Like I said, that is fine. In a way, it is a bit flattering that my past seems to mean so much to both of you. So maybe if you ask nicely, maybe if you grovel a bit, I will tell you. But let me give you a bit of background first
I earned a degree in physics in the 70s. I was accepted at grad school for physics, but concluded I was probably not smart enough to be a successful physicist. So, I worked for a few years in the gulf coast as an oil field engineer for a company called Schlumberger. I got very tired of that. I went to grad school to get an MBA, starting in 1980. I chose to go to Florida, primarily because the cost/quality trade-offs was the best compared to all the places I was accepted. Growing up in Daytona, most of us were Gator fans in high school, but the choice to go to Florida had less to do with sports affiliation and more to do with the cost versus the quality of education. I did not become an avid sports fan, not like I am now anyway, until well after I received an MBA and was back out in the working world. Sure, I followed Florida football in high school, mainly because I played football then. But I was not a rabid sports fan until much later.
Finally, I am not quite sure why my choice of undergrad programs over 30 years ago impacts how good or bad the University of Florida is today? Did you know Florida was not particularly highly regarded academically back in the 70s? I do not recall anyone bemoaning how tough it was to get into Florida. At the time, I think if you graduated from high school with a C average and applied to Florida, you probably were admitted. Plus Florida football was not all that back then either, so there certainly was no cache for being a Gator fan.
Today it is different. Florida has grown into one the the premier universities in the nation. Academically and athletically. I can take pride in that, can I not? Even though I did not directly participate in any of those accomplishments? (Nor did the majority of the Gator fans that post here, I would imagine.) Or is there some requirement that only undergraduates that went to Florida are able to take pride it what the University has become?
As an fun, off season spinoff thread, it might be interesting to note which Florida fans actually attended and graduated there. Which year with which degree. I suspect many Gator fans did not go there, or graduate from there. The same is probably true for FSU fans. Maybe we should start a thread on that.
If the requirement of being a fan of a sports program at a university is to actually have an undergraduate degree from that school, that would certainly explain why Miami has all of 7 fans in the stadium for it's football games these days. That school's general alumni base is not exactly the skeezy hotdog and beer sports attending type of crowd.
UM would still be one of the top ranked universities in the State of Florida, it's been happening for while.
F$u would be similar to UCF or USF, more than likely behind both of them. Overall the ACC runs very deep in the top academic universities; its shame a school like f$u doesn't contribute much in this category, but I guess everyone needs a safety school to fall back on.
This must really embarrass some parents to know the amount of money they spent on their kids and they have to settle for less.
GO Canes!
This post was edited on 2/13 3:32 PM by mcanes
I think most FSU fans would be surprised to find out that they actually have a university associated with the team that they root for. Either that or they'd all just go over and become even more hardcore baseball fans than they already are.
In any event, every conference has their Tennessee's and Alabama's that don't contribute to the academic standing, just the athletic. It's just the reverse side of the coin of every conference seemingly having their Duke or Vanderbilt which props up the academic stats at the expensive of futility in sports save for that magical once in several decades team.
Fair enough. I don't feel that one must have an undergrad (or any degree) from a school to be permitted to be a fan. I was just curious about your reticence to reveal the school. You're certainly under no obligation to spill your guts on a public message board.
You people have reduced being stupid to an art form. This has been addressed multiple times. FSU "law" accepts a disproportionate number of transfer students (their academic credentials (or lack thereof) are not factored in the ratings) and your dean restructurd the budget to alter the amount of money claimed to be spent per student. No additional money was spent, just the way it was allocated in the budget. No credible source anywhere actually claims FSU has a better law school.
Hey, you know how I know it's the off season and the basketball team sucks?
Academic Smack.
Bring on Spring Ball!
Academic Smack.
Bring on Spring Ball!
The reason why FSU Law is ranked higher is because it has recently enjoyed higher bar passage rates and higher employment rates for jobs that require a juris doctor. It has nothing to do with the statistics of incoming students.
Right on point one. Wrong one point two.
From US News
Quality assessment (weighted by 0.40)
Peer assessment score (0.25): In fall 2013, law school deans, deans of academic affairs, chairs of faculty appointments and the most recently tenured faculty members were asked to rate programs on a scale from marginal (1) to outstanding (5). Those individuals who did not know enough about a school to evaluate it fairly were asked to mark "don't know."
A school's score is the average of all the respondents who rated it. Responses of "don't know" counted neither for nor against a school. About 66 percent of those surveyed responded.
Assessment score by lawyers/judges (0.15): In fall 2013, legal professionals, including the hiring partners of law firms, practicing attorneys and judges, were asked to rate programs on a scale from 1 (marginal) to 5 (outstanding). Those individuals who did not know enough about a school to evaluate it fairly were asked to mark "don't know."
For the first time, all the respondent names used in the lawyer and judge survey were provided to U.S. News by the law schools themselves. This change resulted in a much higher lawyer and judge survey response rate than in previous years.
A school's score is the average of all the respondents who rated it. Responses of "don't know" counted neither for nor against a school.
About 32 percent of those lawyers and judges surveyed responded. The two most recent years of the lawyer and judge surveys were averaged and weighted by 0.15.
Selectivity (weighted by 0.25)
Median LSAT scores (0.125): These are the combined median scores on the Law School Admission Test of all 2013 full-time and part-time entrants to the J.D. program.
Median undergrad GPA (0.10): This is the combined median undergraduate grade-point average of all the 2013 full-time and part-time entrants to the J.D. program.
Acceptance rate (0.025): This is the combined proportion of applicants to both the full-time and part-time J.D. program who were accepted for the 2013 entering class.
For the 2015 edition of Best Law Schools, U.S. News continued the same law school rankings methodology for admissions data that was used in the 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 editions. We used the combined 2013 class admissions data for both full-time and part-time entering students for the median LSAT scores, median undergraduate grade-point averages and the acceptance rate in calculating a school's overall rank.
Placement success (weighted by 0.20)
Success is determined by calculating employment rates for 2012 grads at graduation (0.04 weight) and nine months after (0.14 weight), as well as the bar passage rate, explained below.
As a result of the second consecutive year of enhanced American Bar Association reporting rules on new J.D. graduates' jobs data, a great deal more information is available from law schools about the many types of positions law students take after they graduate. Each year, the schools are required to report to the ABA how many of their most recent grads had various types of jobs lined up by nine months after graduation.
The ABA standards continue to require the law schools to go into a great deal of detail by reporting 45 different job types and durations, noting, for example, whether each graduate's employment was long term - defined as lasting at least a year - or short term; was full time or part time; and whether it required passage of a bar exam.
U.S. News collected these same statistics when we surveyed the schools for our annual rankings, along with the same data on members of the class who were employed at graduation and those with jobs that the law schools were unable to determine the length of employment or whether the job was full time or part time.
For the second year in row, U.S. News incorporated this rich data into our computation of the employment measure for the class of 2012 at graduation and nine months later. Placement success was calculated by assigning various weights to the number of grads employed in 27 of these different types of post-J.D. jobs and durations.
Bar passage rate (0.02): This is the ratio of the
school's bar passage rate of the 2012 graduating class to that
jurisdiction's overall state bar passage rate for first time test-takers
in winter 2012 and summer 2012.
The jurisdiction listed is the
state where the largest number of 2012 graduates took the state bar
exam. The state bar examination pass rates for first time test-takers in
winter 2012 and summer 2012 were provided by the National Conference of
Bar Examiners.
Faculty resources (weighted by 0.15)
Expenditures per student: This
is the average expenditures per student for the 2012 and 2013 fiscal
years. The average instruction, library and supporting services (0.0975)
are measured, as are all other items, including financial aid (0.015).
Student-faculty ratio (0.03): This is the ratio of students to faculty members for 2013, using the American Bar Association definition.
Library resources (0.0075): This is the total number of volumes and titles in the school's law library at the end of the 2013 fiscal year.
Overall rank
Data
were standardized about their means, and standardized scores were
weighted, totaled and rescaled so that the top school received 100;
others received their percentage of the top score.
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content to the website when we obtain additional data we think useful - whether
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changes the data.
BTW, the difference between the FSU ranking and the Florida ranking is pretty minor. Not like the huge difference between Florida's overall rank and FSU's overall rank
This is the nature of ordinal rankings, which USNews uses to create a bit of drama and sell subscriptions.
When you actually break-down the individual stats, there's not that much of a difference between the two schools.This is a pretty consistent pattern where UF outperforms FSU by like 3-4% on many things. That relatively small difference is enough to open-up a "huge" 40-50 position gap in the ordinal rankings because the difference in performance metrics between most schools is very small.
