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Today's record cold snap proves once and for all that 'global warming' is a lie

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Ok.

But when a hurricane strikes we should agree it has nothing to do with man made global warming either. Deal?
My view is if you want to claim man has the power to change the climate, and you don't exercise that claimed power to save American lives, then you should be jailed.

I suspect if that happened, you would suddenly see a lot of warmists admitting that man-made climate change is a hoax. As @Uniformed_ReRe said, stories tend to change when jail time is on the line.
 
My view is if you want to claim man has the power to change the climate, and you don't exercise that claimed power to save American lives, then you should be jailed.

I suspect if that happened, you would suddenly see a lot of warmists admitting that man-made climate change is a hoax. As @Uniformed_ReRe said, stories tend to change when jail time is on the line.

I don’t know why you continue to believe this bit of sophistry makes a good argument.
 
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Have I ever blamed a hurricane on global warming? Climate Change is about long-term trends, not isolated incidents.
Ok so it’s a deal.

Next time the left wing media published a story linking a natural disaster to climate change I’ll expect to see you chime in about “isolated incidents”.
 
Have I ever blamed a hurricane on global warming? Climate Change is about long-term trends, not isolated incidents.

I certainly agree that looking towards long-term trends is the better approach. But in doing so, you should also consider the accuracy of data over time as compared to the overall change in temperature.

It's not scientific but personally I'm also considering possible motivation, for either side of the debate.

And finally, track records. How often and how far have the goalposts moved over time?
 
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Ok so it’s a deal.

Next time the left wing media published a story linking a natural disaster to climate change I’ll expect to see you chime in about “isolated incidents”.

I generally respond to what gets posted here. As this is a predominantly right-wing forum, most climate change related posts fall into the “it was cold today, please send me some global warming” bucket.
 
I certainly agree that looking towards long-term trends is the better approach. But in doing so, you should also consider the accuracy of data over time as compared to the overall change in temperature.

It's not scientific but personally I'm also considering possible motivation, for either side of the debate.

And finally, track records. How often and how far have the goalposts moved over time?


Here’s what I posted in response to similar questions in the past:

Post in thread 'Thanksgiving coldest on record in the NEast'
https://florida.forums.rivals.com/t...est-on-record-in-the-neast.73623/post-2030971



As I have said before, I am not an expert on climate change. As with doctors regarding COVID, I defer to recognized experts when they are working within their fields.

You may be surprised to know that serious peer-reviewed research is rarely filled with the dire apocalyptic predictions that are thrown around in the press and by politicians. No, the earth will not combust into a Venusian hellscape in twenty years. But the data do support a rise in mean surface temperature in recent decades. Is that a cause for mass panic? No, but it is something that will likely require adjustment.

You can claim that the researchers are just publishing this stuff to keep the gravy train rolling. But I don’t assume malice and I don’t assume that I know more than the experts. Is it possible that there are errors in their projections? Of course. Science is an iterative process, making adjustments as new data are observed.”
 
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Ok so it’s a deal.

Next time the left wing media published a story linking a natural disaster to climate change I’ll expect to see you chime in about “isolated incidents”.
He'll say nothing because the libs here don't care about protecting the environment, they only care about protecting their politics.

Remember when the Russian Nordstream pipeline ruptured? One of the greatest ecological disasters in the history of the planet.

No dem here would touch the topic. I personally begged @Uniformed_ReRe to chime in. None of them would say anything.....cause it appeared that Hiden ordered the attack.

Look at EVs. All libs love them and claim we have to move to EVs to save the environment. But when we show pictures of cobalt and rare earth mines, that literally destroy and contaminate the environment the libs claim to love, they again say nothing.

No group on the planet does more to destroy the environment than liberals.
 
We started @ around 300 ppm early 20th century and are at 420...at one point I remember reading 440 and that would mean a decrease of 20 ...now Antarctica is supposedly good to 600 ppm. So 100-300 yrs down the road. At one point the earth saw 6000-8000 ppm around the time of the Dinos.

Mean temps are ~ 57F

There is no crisis.
 
Here’s what I posted in response to similar questions in the past:

Post in thread 'Thanksgiving coldest on record in the NEast'
https://florida.forums.rivals.com/t...est-on-record-in-the-neast.73623/post-2030971



As I have said before, I am not an expert on climate change. As with doctors regarding COVID, I defer to recognized experts when they are working within their fields.

You may be surprised to know that serious peer-reviewed research is rarely filled with the dire apocalyptic predictions that are thrown around in the press and by politicians. No, the earth will not combust into a Venusian hellscape in twenty years. But the data do support a rise in mean surface temperature in recent decades. Is that a cause for mass panic? No, but it is something that will likely require adjustment.

You can claim that the researchers are just publishing this stuff to keep the gravy train rolling. But I don’t assume malice and I don’t assume that I know more than the experts. Is it possible that there are errors in their projections? Of course. Science is an iterative process, making adjustments as new data are observed.”

Fair, but I also consider track records and conduct.

When your track record for predictions and timeliness are abysmal, my confidence moving forward declines.

When certain groups of experts are shut out, shut down or just flat out canceled because their models don't match the models from another group, whether or not one group is larger than the other or not, I take note.
 
We started @ around 300 ppm early 20th century and are at 420...at one point I remember reading 440 and that would mean a decrease of 20 ...now Antarctica is supposedly good to 600 ppm. So 100-300 yrs down the road. At one point the earth saw 6000-8000 ppm around the time of the Dinos.

Mean temps are ~ 57F

There is no crisis.

HOAX
 
Troll better.
Stop lying. Man cannot change the climate, and you know it.

Can man's actions influence the climate? Sure.

Can man's influence over the climate reach a point where man's actions change the climate?

No. As long as you warmists tell lies, honest Americans will be here to set the record straight.
 
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