Tariffs

[SwampRock]

Timing isn't an issue for me at all, Trump can take all the time he needs to make the deals he wants.

Timing is only an issue for you cause you embarrassed yourself over tariffs and you need a do-over.

Agreed, timing is never the issue for the party with leverage. And the recent market quick recovery which quells public concern solidifies his strong position here. Yet many legacy media outlets still beg for negativity every day. Watched them go all in on Subaru raising prices “due to market conditions” and speculating this as tariff related but when they increased prices due to demand versus supply in 2022, nothing gets said. Over 50% of Subaru is built here yet increases taken on all models. If it was due to higher transportation costs, they certainly don’t have that now and never dropped them. It’s like a GRI and such a joke how things are manipulated in the media to for their anti-Trump counter tariff initiative narrative. Reuters tries to use these tactics on the investment markets every day. At least they can’t tout recession fears as strongly anymore but they still describe things in every article daily with investor concern, dips, and uncertainty. Fortunately, It’s not working as much on the masses and stock holders anymore.

I apologize for going more political on this but some of the responses to the “counter tariffs” from the left on this topic are amazingly incredulous.

 

[BCSpell]

Agreed, timing is never the issue for the party with leverage. And the recent market quick recovery which quells public concern solidifies his strong position here. Yet many legacy media outlets still beg for negativity every day. Watched them go all in on Subaru raising prices “due to market conditions” and speculating this as tariff related but when they increased prices due to demand versus supply in 2022, nothing gets said. Over 50% of Subaru is built here yet increases taken on all models. If it was due to higher transportation costs, they certainly don’t have that now and never dropped them. It’s like a GRI and such a joke how things are manipulated in the media to for their anti-Trump counter tariff initiative narrative. Reuters tries to use these tactics on the investment markets every day. At least they can’t tout recession fears as strongly anymore but they still describe things in every article daily with investor concern, dips, and uncertainty. Fortunately, It’s not working as much on the masses and stock holders anymore.

I apologize for going more political on this but some of the responses to the “counter tariffs” from the left on this topic are amazingly incredulous.

It's typical MSM/DEM behavior. Not a word when inflation skyrocketed under Biden. Not a word when gas and food prices skyrocketed under Biden, then constant bit ching and moaning because of prices and the fact that Trump hasn't brought them down.

 

[bradleygator]

I don’t know. I think there may be some urgency.

 

[bradleygator]

Agreed, timing is never the issue for the party with leverage.

we’ve got the leverage all right.

 

[jsfgators]

we’ve got the leverage all right.

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I’m kind of a simple guy, and I’m sure these graphs mean something important… but from where I’m sitting my gas prices are down, the prices hikes have slowed and my 401k hasn’t experienced this stock market bloodbath that was guaranteed. Things seem pretty good from where I’m sitting. I also hear that I’m about to get a tax cut on my overtime hours. Maybe the scenery is different from the working class than it is for the highly educated that really understand these graphs

 

[bradleygator]

I’m kind of a simple guy, and I’m sure these graphs mean something important… but from where I’m sitting my gas prices are down, the prices hikes have slowed and my 401k hasn’t experienced this stock market bloodbath that was guaranteed. Things seem pretty good from where I’m sitting. I also hear that I’m about to get a tax cut on my overtime hours. Maybe the scenery is different from the working class than it is for the highly educated that really understand these graphs

I get that. The charts just mean that demand for US debt is tanking. Generally it means you have to pay higher rates to get people to buy your bonds. Whether it’s good or bad for normal people who knows. US finances are a total sh*tshow.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I don’t know.

We know.

I get that. The charts just mean that demand for US debt is tanking. Generally it means you have to pay higher rates to get people to buy your bonds. Whether it’s good or bad for normal people who knows.

This is about the 4th or 5th time ITT you've tried to play the 'Look no one here knows what is happening, we are all just guessing" card.

IOW, you are trying to say everyone else is as ignorant of this topic as you are.

Let's recall some of your finer moments so far: You said Trump needed to drop this tariffs nonsense and what he REALLY needed to do was tax Chinese companies!

Then you criticized Trump for changing his demands during a negotiation. First he asks for a high figure, then he caves and goes lower!

You are truly the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I apologize for going more political on this but some of the responses to the “counter tariffs” from the left on this topic are amazingly incredulous.

This is what happens when people on the left put their politics ahead of their country. Both @emekz1 @bradleygator have at various points ITT demanded that Trump do something, then they later attacked him for doing that same thing.

And neither of them are aware of it. While bradley tells us we all need to admit to each other that we are all as clueless as he is about this stuff.

Best free entertainment on the internet.

 

[jsfgators]

I get that. The charts just mean that demand for US debt is tanking. Generally it means you have to pay higher rates to get people to buy your bonds. Whether it’s good or bad for normal people who knows. US finances are a total sh*tshow.

Seems like the US finances have been a total disaster for a long time. It didnt just start being a shit show in January. Kinda seems like we are between a rock and a hard place where only bad choices and worse choices exist. However, I think things are trending positively for normal people.

 

[SwampRock]

we’ve got the leverage all right.

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Where have we weakened our fiscal position by launching rhese counter tariffs in negotiation? We’ve added huge investment in US production and improved our trade positions with many countries already. We are on the cusp of a fed interest drop even with the manipulated misrepresented job data by the former administration. What does that say about the impact of these actions? Please stop, you’re simply beinging a knife to a gun fight at this point.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

The majority if not all of Trump's stuff that he sells is made in China. His ties are made in China.

This is funny. I wonder if you ever posted about the Biden getting paid millions from China, yet they have no business? I would bet not… because libs gonna lib.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

To me, tarrifs have been a way to manipulate the stock market so Stump and friends can add more billions to their bank accounts. Not much Trump has done has escaped Federal Judges who are trying to make Stumps Ex. Order have any real meaning. Cutting Medicaid and trying to foist it off to the States is pure stupidity. Many states have enough financial problems without the addition of Medicaid. JMO

Many DEMOCRAT states have problems because they pay for illegal alien benefits, and over tax their population, and Americans flee their states. Truly do not care about that. Let them crash and burn for being stupid. Best way to learn.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

They are violating federal law if they are providing Medicaid benefits to undocumented immigrants.

They violated federal law by letting them openly invade our country. Disagree?

 

[Capt Ron 1]

How are the tariff deals coming? Someone should do like a tote board so we can keep track of them as they come in.

Have you not learned anything yet son? How many posts like this have you made, only to have it thrown right in to your face again…. Then you magically turn in to the disappearing man, with a cricket voice? You really stand by this after Trump Maliki you look so much like you have no clue about world events?

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Timing isn't an issue for me at all, Trump can take all the time he needs to make the deals he wants.

Timing is only an issue for you cause you embarrassed yourself over tariffs and you need a do-over.

May I explain it to him? He is so slow, it is funny. My Jethro Bodine 12th grade education can explain it so even he can understand. Either the tariffs make things much better when a deal is made, or the situation continues like it did before tariffs. I like those odds, ESPECIALLY when the greatest negotiator on the planet is on our side.

 

[bradleygator]

Seems like the US finances have been a total disaster for a long time. It didnt just start being a shit show in January. Kinda seems like we are between a rock and a hard place where only bad choices and worse choices exist. However, I think things are trending positively for normal people.

They have been a disaster for a long time. They have gone completely crazy over the last 30 years under both Repubs and Dems.

 

[LordofallSocks]

Bitcoin went from 104k to 108k so far this WEEK.

 

[bradleygator]

Where have we weakened our fiscal position by launching rhese counter tariffs in negotiation? We’ve added huge investment in US production and improved our trade positions with many countries already. We are on the cusp of a fed interest drop even with the manipulated misrepresented job data by the former administration. What does that say about the impact of these actions? Please stop, you’re simply beinging a knife to a gun fight at this point.

This is the downside of tariffs if deals aren’t made. We can’t afford the hit to tax revenue from a significant pullback in the markets.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

This is the downside of tariffs if deals aren’t made. We can’t afford the hit to tax revenue from a significant pullback in the markets.

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You countered his take on the CURRENT markets by offering a tweet from a YEAR AGO lamenting how we couldn't afford a recession under the BIDEN administration.

A couple of things have changed in the last year. You truly are entertaining.

 

[jsfgators]

This is the downside of tariffs if deals aren’t made. We can’t afford the hit to tax revenue from a significant pullback in the markets.

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Haven’t all the banks reduced the odds of economic recession. I think the indicators are trending in the other direction.

 

[emekz1]

Haven’t all the banks reduced the odds of economic recession. I think the indicators are trending in the other direction.

Are We Close To A Recession? Here’s How To Tell.

The GDP, the labor market and consumer confidence all offer measures to tell whether the U.S. economy is close to a recession or not, no matter what Wall Street or the White House say.

www.forbes.com

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Haven’t all the banks reduced the odds of economic recession. I think the indicators are trending in the other direction.

Correct. Chicken Littles said we were headed to recession when Trump announced tariffs. Most backed off those claims once it became obvious that Trump's plan was working. A few weeks ago bradley was giddy as Jaime Dimon said we were headed to recession. A week ago JP Morgan changed forecast to no recession after seeing how well the tariffs are doing.

All of this is great news for America and anyone who loves America.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Are We Close To A Recession? Here’s How To Tell.

The GDP, the labor market and consumer confidence all offer measures to tell whether the U.S. economy is close to a recession or not, no matter what Wall Street or the White House say.

www.forbes.com

"KEY FACTS​

The U.S.’ largest bank JPMorgan Chase backed off of its recession call Tuesday, as JPMorgan’s chief U.S. economist Michael Feroli wrote to clients the firm believes recession risks are “still elevated, but now below 50%” after the White House dramatically lowered the China tariff rate from 145% to 30% for at least the next 90 days.

The “administration’s recent dialing down of some of the more draconian tariffs placed on China should reduce the risk that the U.S. economy slips into recession this year,” explained Feroli.

Goldman Sachs economists similarly lowered their probability of a U.S. recession over the next 12 months from 45% to 35%.

The bank’s chief economist Jan Hatzius cited the “reduced risk of U.S.-China tariffs high enough to cause production disruptions and the encouraging signal about future tariff policy decisions” in his Monday update."

See @bradleygator? Even @emekz1 is admitting Trump's tariffs are working.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

That pesky congress. RINOS and Dimtards all.

Thought about this. You should drop the term RINO, and go with MINO….MAGA is name only.

There are classic republicans: lower taxes and punt on spending.

 

[bradleygator]

"KEY FACTS​

The U.S.’ largest bank JPMorgan Chase backed off of its recession call Tuesday, as JPMorgan’s chief U.S. economist Michael Feroli wrote to clients the firm believes recession risks are “still elevated, but now below 50%” after the White House dramatically lowered the China tariff rate from 145% to 30% for at least the next 90 days.

The “administration’s recent dialing down of some of the more draconian tariffs placed on China should reduce the risk that the U.S. economy slips into recession this year,” explained Feroli.

Goldman Sachs economists similarly lowered their probability of a U.S. recession over the next 12 months from 45% to 35%.

The bank’s chief economist Jan Hatzius cited the “reduced risk of U.S.-China tariffs high enough to cause production disruptions and the encouraging signal about future tariff policy decisions” in his Monday update."

See @bradleygator? Even @emekz1 is admitting Trump's tariffs are working.

Right so the question was what’s the economic downside of tariffs. And the answer is they threaten recession if they are implemented in “liberation day” form. We all saw how the market liked that. So Trump backed off those tariffs because they were tanking the markets. And now we’ve got baseline 10 percent tariffs, which the markets are ok with comparatively. And that was good marketing by Trump. Basically that’s what the article you’re quoting is saying.

Question is what do we do if we can’t reach good terms with China? Jack the tariffs back up? Probably not, because Trump knows that will tank the markets. The Chinese know that too but I’m sure they would not use that in negotiations because they are mere pawns in Trump’s grand game of chess.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Right so the question was what’s the economic downside of tariffs. And the answer is they threaten recession if they are implemented in “liberation day” form. We all saw how the market liked that. So Trump backed off those tariffs because they were tanking the markets.

No sane person who has a 101 level understanding of foreign policy or negotiation thought that Trump's initial tariff offer was his final offer.

You still don't understand what the word 'negotiation' means.

'Trump backed off cause of the markets!" "Trump caved!"

Goodness.

 

[bradleygator]

No sane person who has a 101 level understanding of foreign policy or negotiation thought that Trump's initial tariff offer was his final offer.

You still don't understand what the word 'negotiation' means.

'Trump backed off cause of the markets!" "Trump caved!"

Goodness.

So if everyone knows it was performative and he’s established that he can’t reinstate punitive tariffs without tanking his own markets, you think that puts him in a strong bargaining position?

 

[jsfgators]

So if everyone knows it was performative and he’s established that he can’t reinstate punitive tariffs without tanking his own markets, you think that puts him in a strong bargaining position?

I believe that I read that we currently have a higher tariff on china compared to pre-liberation day vs. china now having a lower tariff on the US than pre-liberation day. Sounds like the Donald is moving the ball down the field to me

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

So if everyone knows it was performative

Only the people who understand how negotiation works.

I believe that I read that we currently have a higher tariff on china compared to pre-liberation day vs. china now having a lower tariff on the US than pre-liberation day. Sounds like the Donald is moving the ball down the field to me

Correct. China's tariffs on our goods went from 21% to currently 10%. What we charge China went from 19% to 30%.

We are now charging China 60% more, and bradley says that means Trump caved.

China is now charging us 60% less, and bradley says that means China has the leverage, and they are using it.

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[Capt Ron 1]

Right so the question was what’s the economic downside of tariffs. And the answer is they threaten recession if they are implemented in “liberation day” form. We all saw how the market liked that. So Trump backed off those tariffs because they were tanking the markets. And now we’ve got baseline 10 percent tariffs, which the markets are ok with comparatively. And that was good marketing by Trump. Basically that’s what the article you’re quoting is saying.

Question is what do we do if we can’t reach good terms with China? Jack the tariffs back up? Probably not, because Trump knows that will tank the markets. The Chinese know that too but I’m sure they would not use that in negotiations because they are mere pawns in Trump’s grand game of chess.

My God you do not care to post stuff so stupid everyone laughs at you. This is just dumb right here.

 

[LordofallSocks]

So if everyone knows it was performative and he’s established that he can’t reinstate punitive tariffs without tanking his own markets, you think that puts him in a strong bargaining position?

They don't have haggling where you're from? JFC.

 

[gatordad3]

Right so the question was what’s the economic downside of tariffs. And the answer is they threaten recession if they are implemented in “liberation day” form. We all saw how the market liked that. So Trump backed off those tariffs because they were tanking the markets. And now we’ve got baseline 10 percent tariffs, which the markets are ok with comparatively. And that was good marketing by Trump. Basically that’s what the article you’re quoting is saying.

Question is what do we do if we can’t reach good terms with China? Jack the tariffs back up? Probably not, because Trump knows that will tank the markets. The Chinese know that too but I’m sure they would not use that in negotiations because they are mere pawns in Trump’s grand game of chess.

 

[gatordad3]

 

[gatordad3]

Not tariff but IDGAF!

 

[gatordad3]

 

[bradleygator]

Only the people who understand how negotiation works.

So that’s Trump and this board but not the Chinese? Got it.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

So that’s Trump and this board but not the Chinese? Got it.

Fully anyone with a functioning brain. Sorry you do not understand

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

So that’s Trump and this board but not the Chinese? Got it.

Well Trump is the one that got the Chinese to go from charging 21% on US goods, to charging 10%. That's a 60% reduction. At the same time he got China to agree to this, he raised the rates the US charges China from 19% to 30%, a 60% increase.

So yeah, it would appear that Trump is doing a better job of negotiating right now than China is.

Remember, when you hit the bottom of the hole, stop digging.

 

[emekz1]

Well Trump is the one that got the Chinese to go from charging 21% on US goods, to charging 10%. That's a 60% reduction. At the same time he got China to agree to this, he raised the rates the US charges China from 19% to 30%, a 60% increase.

So yeah, it would appear that Trump is doing a better job of negotiating right now than China is.

Remember, when you hit the bottom of the hole, stop digging.

US and China reach a deal to slash sky-high tariffs for now, with a 90-day pause

U.S. and Chinese officials said they had reached a deal to roll back most of their recent tariffs and call a 90-day truce in their trade war for more talks on resolving their trade disputes.

apnews.com

 

[Capt Ron 1]

US and China reach a deal to slash sky-high tariffs for now, with a 90-day pause

U.S. and Chinese officials said they had reached a deal to roll back most of their recent tariffs and call a 90-day truce in their trade war for more talks on resolving their trade disputes.

apnews.com

I’ll be….. negotiations