Any liberal worried about inflation from tariffs is a swamp critter. JFC
Tariffs
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I was referencing Biden’s 20% inflation. When I said it would never go away I meant that the prices would never return to previous levels. Even if inflation is currently pretty low, there won’t be deflation to fix Biden’s inflation.
No, deflation is very, very bad.
You have to wait for wages to catch up, which takes time.
Sorry for misunderstanding your post.
I remember posting in 2020 that it would take a minimum of 10 years to recover the economy, and that was if Trump won in 2020. I assumed at some point, the liberals here would realize that there were dire consequences for their actions and wake up.
They didn't, instead, they told the cops where to find and arrest their maw maw for not getting the covid shots. God help them.
What in the name of rational thought is happening here!!!?
You need to reach these people.
So, I always figured much of the manufacturing that left the US was because it was cheaper to make things outside the US. Cheap labor, less strict environmental regulations…. So if we put tariffs on imports to bring back the manufacturing how does that reduce the cost to manufacture goods here. Especially if there are tariffs on materials coming from other countries. We still have higher wages and regulations to deal with.
No. How would that even be possible?
When a business moves production to the US a ton of things happen. Architects, planners and engineers have to collaborate on a design. A construction company has to build the plant. That employs all sorts of contractors. City workers have to take care of infrastructure improvements. Materials suppliers get increased volume for anything required to build the plants. All of this requires employees who pay into the system.
Once the plant is open you have technicians, maintenance and management all gainfully employed.
That’s income that allows them to buy goods that have increased in price.
Not all things will be made here. Tariffs are a tool to force negotiations. We just want to be more self reliant. That could be critical of something really bad happened.
It will depend on the item. For some products, yes the price will increase. For others you won't see any real difference. Some may even go down.
Did Toyota trucks all of the sudden spike in price when they moved the Tundra plants to Texas and Indiana?
Depending on the product globally sourcing components and saving on freight/streamlining logistics and increasing investment in automation can more than offset increased labor cost per unit.
You have a VERY simplistic understanding of the costs of production and supply chain strategy. It's extremely complex and companies are very good at finding and minimizing cost drivers. And labor isn't the only input for any manufactured product, you have to look deeper than single factor analysis.
It's worth remembering that this is not about tariffs, it's about Trump using the threat of tariffs against China as leverage to lower China's influence in the US and ownership of property in the US.
China is the #2 creditor and owner of US debt, behind only Japan. And China has been buying up millions of acres of farmland in the US, most of it adjacent to US military bases. And China has invested heavily in drone technology. The dots connect themselves.
The good news is, two-thirds of China's trade revenue comes from exports, not imports. That gives the US leverage that it can use to decouple China from owning US land and lowering our debt obligation. Trump is just the first president to exercise that leverage. I suspect previous presidents and politicians (on both sides, this is NOT a left v right issue) have been happy to take kickbacks from China in order to keep the trade imbalance running.
How this is being portrayed in the media is a total fabrication. Trump will use the threat of tariffs to both lower existing tariffs on US goods but it's mainly about decreasing our debt obligation to China.
Someone please tell BradleyGator Trump sure caves in very strangely! LOLOL
www.foxbusiness.com
China is exhibiting ‘end-of-regime conduct,’ expert warns of ‘perplexing’ behavior
China's Xi Jinping can't look like he's dependent, giving in or talking to the U.S. "under pressure" of trade tensions, according to Gatestone Institute's Gordon Chang.
Wasnt it like a week ago @bradleygator said China was showing strength cause Xi was talking to Spain?Someone please tell BradleyGator Trump sure caves in very strangely! LOLOL
China is exhibiting ‘end-of-regime conduct,’ expert warns of ‘perplexing’ behavior
China's Xi Jinping can't look like he's dependent, giving in or talking to the U.S. "under pressure" of trade tensions, according to Gatestone Institute's Gordon Chang.
Yep, nothing screams leverage like talking to the country that can't afford to keep the lights on LOL
@gatorspeed @bradleygator @G8trDad3 see this? Having to borrow half a trillion every quarter just to cover interest payments on existing debt.
BUT....Trump has already lowered that amount by $53B. Thanks to DOGE, thanks to tariffs. Both initiatives that the three of you have complained about.
This is why Trump is pushing for this stuff. He's raising revenue AND lowering expenses at the same time. Now you're seeing why.
This is what I call a lib cricket post...they will stay away from this one.....
I believe bradley has correctly made the point here before that we must find a way to pay down our interest and debt.
Now that Trump is doing both...he's mad at him for it lol
I need to say something to the people scared of these tariffs, and to the ones whining about them. NO ONE knows how this will turn out. It could crash the economy...or it could be the biggest boom we have ever seen. But this is what I do KNOW. America is close to going bankrupt because we spend WAY more than we should, and we have HORRIBLE trade deals with just about every Country we deal with. Concerning that last part.....WHAT IF we turn all/most of these deals around to where they are beneficial to the USA? (especially China, and India?) What will happen to our market if that happens? What if we bring back manufacturing to AMERICA...and away from some of the Countries using slave labor? Auto tariffs will be dealt with today (I believe). Why is everyone so short-sighted and concerned if you are not selling TODAY? If you are even IN the market, you are somewhat of a gambler. The way I see this..we have WAY, WAY more room to GAIN as a Country as we do to lose. And the worst should be over as far as the drop in the market. I think VERY SOON...maybe even today, or weeks end this starts really turning the good way. It seems many are getting caught up in to the CNN, MSNBC narrative of 95% negitive reporting on Trump. GROW A DAMNPAIR!!! (not you goldmom)
That is right. A ton of things have to happen. I work in the Cloud Compute and Data Center space. There are a lot of job - good paying jobs here. Chip Fab is very similar.
Bessent said it really well in his PR today with CNBC and the general press - three legs of the stool: tax policy (full expensing of equipment, etc.), regulatory streamlining (which even the left, read: Ezra Klein is seeing) and Tarriffs to protect key industries and permit access to critical raw materials.
I am not a big fan of Tariffs per se and it is amazing, as the WSJ said yesterday, that Trump has turned the left into a bunch of free traders all of a sudden (hint: they aren't).
My hope is that we get the right tarriffs and deals in place to open up the EU, Asian countries and India. Use Tariffs to force Mexico and Canada to keep their borders air tight, allow Trump to take the "W" and move on.
If you DO get additional Tarriff revenue, then use it to fund removing tax on tips and social security for lower income earners. Make it progressive in form, not more money for Shedeur to blow on jewelry and therapy after his dad blew his draft process, lol
...where this falls down is when you fall in love with Tariffs per se as a way to reduce taxes for high-earners. Free and fair trade is good - trying to use it to pull a 1930s external revenue service will get Trump and republicans blown out in the mid-terms.
There is a lot of this I agree with. Do it with the industries that matter. As Bessent said today - textiles can stay in China. TVs can stay in china/south asia. Lower cost electronics - who cares. The working class individual has goods and electronics luxuries that were UNHEARD of 30 years ago. Use free trade to our advantage. It's pro-worker.
Hit Audi with tarriffs and buy Stellantis, Telsa or Rivian. Cool.
Equally importantly is diversifying OUT of China. They cannot hold our supply chains hostage on solar, critical minerals, APIs, etc. That is not Tarrifs as much as industry policy. Use Tarriff money, if you have to,
The place TO give credit to Trump for, whether we like the "how" or not - completely changing the discussion.
We will see.
This is all I ask. The left has a plan. they want all the negative they can muster to hurt this process. THEY DO NOT LOVE AMERICA...they love POWER. And they do not have any now. I am at about 85% this will work out fine.
That's right - when it's strategic, this is about resiliency, it's about cost, it's about the right regulatory posture, it's about ensuring good jobs are in the U.S. and not continued to be hollowed out, it's about automation and innovation (not just throwing union bodies at an inefficient process), it's about AI and optimal planning, inventory positioning, it's about agility (a reason to narrow supply chains is to have less stranded inventory), etc.
It's not (or it shouldn't be) all industries. Again, textile, consumer electronics, can all be made in India and Asia. Who cares.
If Trump strikes the right balance, this could be monumental (for the good). If this is reflexsive, ego-driven (versus US driven) exercise then we see an unnecessary recession and a blood bath at the mid-term.
This is on Bessent, Lutnick and others to get it right.
That’s still going to leave me about 28 minutes of time to fill.
If it was ego driven he wouldn't be making adjustments and exempting product classes in real time.
Every move he makes is more like a scalpel than a hatchet.
Diddy you think most anything Trump will do will get him blown out. His track record is a tad better than yours in this regard.
Remember, Diddy claimed Trump was only running cause he was broke.
China caves on 125% tariff for major US export after White House predicts Beijing can't keep up
China caved on one of its major 125% tariffs against ethane imports from the U.S. on Tuesday, having initially imposed the tariff last month.
Bradleygator got this one 100% wrong! He said Trump caved? LOLOLOL
I don’t say that - at all. At least try to get it right.
Take immigration.
What I said there on Trump, again, and again, and again.
I’ll give you a hint, it rhymes with “A plus”
The tide is changing on tariffs. If you understand negotiating AT ALL...you could see what was going on. Too many look at this WAY too literally.
On the reverse Ghost, you think everything he does is perfectly thought out or when it doesn’t work out, is “stolen”.
He is a matter of “theology” for you. Which is fine.
Most of my comments be it on abortion, “mean tweets”, J6, taking credit for OWS or now the broad application of tariffs, is don’t let the 20 percent tank the 80 percent.
Yes, he is giving time, exempting and now it looks like we have a big India deal.
Could this work out to be an absolute success? Yep.
I am excited about the possibilities of the results. This COULD be so huge for decades...unless someone like FJB is installed and for some reason reverses them(he did open up a totally sealed border)
Yeah, China is trying to make a deal with a country that has rolling blackouts because they have no power
😝😝😝
It’s all part of The Art of the Deal. A perfectly thought out and executed plan. His delaying or random reducing of tariffs has nothing to do with stocks tanking, big time donors and Republican supporters griping. World economies teetering. In Trump we trust!
The DOW is 3k points higher than this point 1 year ago.
The stock market is not “tanking”.
Why are liberals such drama queens?
And Trump is supposed to stop trying to rebalance our trade deals, reduce the national deficit and stop the war in Ukraine because donors are “griping”?
You wouldn’t know leadership if it sat on your face.
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