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bradleygator said:
It’s the NY manufacturing survey.

And it’s hard to disregard the short term when you’re $37 trillion in debt.

Also, I presume you guys all think that Obama was a criminal fraud correct? I do. What weight is his endorsement of current policy supposed to carry?
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The word you're looking for is bipartisan.

Our trade imbalances are so out of whack that even liberals can see it (when they're being honest).

And if you really care about the $37T in debt you'd be supportive of what we're doing and not freak out every time stocks take a 24 hour dip. It took a long time to get into this mess, it will be painful getting out of it.
 
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fatman76 said:
The word you're looking for is bipartisan.

Our trade imbalances are so out of whack that even liberals can see it (when they're being honest).

And if you really care about the $37T in debt you'd be supportive of what we're doing and not freak out every time stocks take a 24 hour dip. It took a long time to get into this mess, it will be painful getting out of it.
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If you're waiting around for an honest libtard, you'll be waiting a very long time. There are traditional liberals, the ones whom you might actually even respect, and then there are the modern day Dims/Marxists. The party transitioned gradually to the far left and most on the Left aren't smart enough to realize what happened.

They have become Contrarians to everything Trump is doing, even when it makes perfect sense, because that's the corner they painted themselves into. It makes it impossible to ever work together so they could actually claim some victories. They are in total "self destruct" mode. We've never seen anything like what they're doing to themselves.

They have no leadership, no platform, no principles, and no good ideas. Sucks to be them and we have folks on this board actually trying to defend the indefensible, the outrageous and the completely stupid.
 
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GhostOfMatchesMalone said:
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Oh noes... @G8trDad3 was right, now Trump is going after AMERICANS!!!!!

@gatorspeed @kalimgoodman @Illegal-shift @bradleygator it looks like Trump is openly declaring war on law-breakers in this country.

Won't anyone stand up and defend the criminals????
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This is what happens when they only give you the part they want you to hear. He is musing, on whether or not he could send the worst of the worst American criminals to serve their time in El Salvador prison. Never said he is going to do it. It's just like when Trump was musing that its too bad we don't have something like bleach you could drink because it was doing such a great job killing covid-19. The MSM immediately started telling the world that Trump said to drink bleach.
 
BCSpell said:
This is what happens when they only give you the part they want you to hear. He is musing, on whether or not he could send the worst of the worst American criminals to serve their time in El Salvador prison. Never said he is going to do it. It's just like when Trump was musing that its too bad we don't have something like bleach you could drink because it was doing such a great job killing covid-19. The MSM immediately started telling the world that Trump said to drink bleach.
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Yep, the MSM has descended from telling you partial truths and omissions of the truth to outright lying. This is what happens in a Communist Country and we have Dims defending this crap and even believing it.

The vast majority of people want truth and not lying spins or narratives. Sadly, we have one side peddling this garbage because they have no real ideas or solutions about anything. They obviously believe blatant lying is their only option. This is why they want to shut down the alternative media online. They don't like being fact checked and people seeing them for what they really are. Lol
 
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This is crazy. One of the Senators from Maryland is traveling to El Salvador today to bring the "Maryland" man home. Can't wait for the El Salvadorian Government to say, WHO are you again? NO, we won't release him. GO AWAY.

I love how misinformed DEMS are. Now the women in my office are saying Trump has committed treason for deporting a US citizen to the El Salvador prison and then blatantly ignoring a Federal judge's order and the SCOTUS order to bring him home.
 
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fatman76 said:
The word you're looking for is bipartisan.

Our trade imbalances are so out of whack that even liberals can see it (when they're being honest).

And if you really care about the $37T in debt you'd be supportive of what we're doing and not freak out every time stocks take a 24 hour dip. It took a long time to get into this mess, it will be painful getting out of it.
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These people that only show up when something goes a bit wrong are not my kind of people. Every democrat fits this. Not one time has any democrat or establishment RINO came out and said what THEY would do… they just hate Trump. What a shallow, unintelligent take. What really makes me dislike someone like this is, they actually are good with something harming America if it hurts Trump. What evil, douche bags.
 
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BCSpell said:
This is crazy. One of the Senators from Maryland is traveling to El Salvador today to bring the "Maryland" man home. Can't wait for the El Salvadorian Government to say, WHO are you again? NO, we won't release him. GO AWAY.

I love how misinformed DEMS are. Now the women in my office are saying Trump has committed treason for deporting a US citizen to the El Salvador prison and then blatantly ignoring a Federal judge's order and the SCOTUS order to bring him home.
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Except he's not. Lol

Forget the known gang associations, he's here illegally at the very least.
 
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Coolgtr said:
Except he's not. Lol
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Exactly. They just fill in gaps in their story with lies to make Trump the bad guy.

Such as claiming the guy was a US citizen. And that a judge's order protected him from deportation.

They believe and spread lies about Trump, then claim TRUMP is the liar and attack US as 'you guys will believe anything he says' when we point out their lies. I do feel sorry for @G8trDad3, he's totally hoodwinked.
 
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LordofallSocks said:
Im curious why you think this.

We have 12 air carrier groups and 8 amphibious assault carrier groups. They have 2, and a bunch of subs.
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Hegseth just said Chinese could take out one of our carrier groups in 20 minutes. Our own war games result in us running out of ordinance in 8 days in a war in the Pacific.
 
bradleygator said:
Hegseth just said Chinese could take out one of our carrier groups in 20 minutes. Our own war games result in us running out of ordinance in 8 days in a war in the Pacific.
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Thanks FJB and democrats. Our oil reserves are also depleted because the brain dead idiot used them to lower gas prices right before the election
 
BCSpell said:
This is crazy. One of the Senators from Maryland is traveling to El Salvador today to bring the "Maryland" man home. Can't wait for the El Salvadorian Government to say, WHO are you again? NO, we won't release him. GO AWAY.

I love how misinformed DEMS are. Now the women in my office are saying Trump has committed treason for deporting a US citizen to the El Salvador prison and then blatantly ignoring a Federal judge's order and the SCOTUS order to bring him home.
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Guantanamo Bay is in Cuba.

We've sent a citizen there.

What's the difference?

(I'm not saying this guy is a citizen, more of "even if he was")
 
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LordofallSocks said:
Ive participated in Operation Cobra Gold 3 times that wasn't what they told us
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No disrespect to your service (I was in the Coast Guard) but when was that?

Current issues are that we can’t resupply ships with ordinance in the pacific and that carrier groups are susceptible to hypersonic missiles.

I just saw something that the Chinese built more ships in the last year than we have since WW2.

My point in pointing all these things out is that we need to be real about our situation. We spend more money than anyone else on defense but how are we spending it?

We just committed $20 billion to Boeing to build the x-47, but are manned fighters even going to be a thing by the time they’re rolling out?

We’ve launched probably half a billion in ordinance at the houthis and they’ve still got the Red Sea closed using $1000 drones.
 
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fatman76 said:
Guantanamo Bay is in Cuba.

We've sent a citizen there.

What's the difference?

(I'm not saying this guy is a citizen, more of "even if he was")
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Guantanamo Bay is at least run by the US military. But if you listen to the testimony of what has occured there it does infringe on constitutional protections, which is the reason it’s located out of the country.
 
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bradleygator said:
No disrespect to your service (I was in the Coast Guard) but when was that?

Current issues are that we can’t resupply ships with ordinance in the pacific and that carrier groups are susceptible to hypersonic missiles.

I just saw something that the Chinese built more ships in the last year than we have since WW2.

My point in pointing all these things out is that we need to be real about our situation. We spend more money than anyone else on defense but how are we spending it?

We just committed $20 billion to Boeing to build the x-47, but are manned fighters even going to be a thing by the time they’re rolling out?

We’ve launched probably half a billion in ordinance at the houthis and they’ve still got the Red Sea closed using $1000 drones.
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I just don't understand how we've spent 3X more per year on defense than China and we're even having this conversation.

The waste, fraud and inefficiency of the Federal gov't is staggering.
 
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fatman76 said:
Guantanamo Bay is in Cuba.

We've sent a citizen there.

What's the difference?

(I'm not saying this guy is a citizen, more of "even if he was")
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I see nothing wrong with sending citizens out of Country to serve their prison term. I think Guantanamo Bay is slightly different though with the US leasing it for their military base and basically having jurisdiction over the leased area.
 
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fatman76 said:
I just don't understand how we've spent 3X more per year on defense than China and we're even having this conversation.

The waste, fraud and inefficiency of the Federal gov't is staggering.
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Please remember one thing. The same BS used to happen with the USSR back in the 60's-80's..and it was BS. The military complex is powerful, and love them some military spending. Is China close? Yes...but I do not believe they could stand toe to toe with our technology and training.
 
As far as tariffs, following Trump saying he wants EU to choose between US and China, China announces they are open to talks.

Seems like the right pressure point. EU needs us for military and petroleum and sells more stuff to us than China but still an important market for China.
 
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bradleygator said:
No disrespect to your service (I was in the Coast Guard) but when was that?

Current issues are that we can’t resupply ships with ordinance in the pacific and that carrier groups are susceptible to hypersonic missiles.

I just saw something that the Chinese built more ships in the last year than we have since WW2.

My point in pointing all these things out is that we need to be real about our situation. We spend more money than anyone else on defense but how are we spending it?

We just committed $20 billion to Boeing to build the x-47, but are manned fighters even going to be a thing by the time they’re rolling out?

We’ve launched probably half a billion in ordinance at the houthis and they’ve still got the Red Sea closed using $1000 drones.
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I don't disagree with you. Unfortunately, the next world war will likely be nuclear and then none of this stuff matters.
 
Coolgtr said:
I don't disagree with you. Unfortunately, the next world war will likely be nuclear and then none of this stuff matters.
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Actually that likely won't happen though unless fanatic lunatics are at the controls. I doubt that China or Russia would even considered such lunacy. So who do we worry about at that point? That's right the lunatic muzzies and their 72 virgins. This is why we continue to fund the Mossad even though their shens have caused many problems internationally and at home. They are our muzzie police enforcers in their own backyards. Money well spent, I suppose. ??
 
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G8trDad3 said:
I get it. Trump trumps all. He walks on water.
Maybe some of you should stop watching Fox or Newsmax or whatever. (And, lol, I do not watch CNN.)
As someone here said, just wait till his third term. Well, let’s see how he pulls that off. I have no doubt he will rearrange the laws to make it happen.
Again, there was an order in place for the guy to remain in the US. It was ignored. Trump even admitted it was a mistake. (Does not matter if he was guilty or innocent.) They are setting precedent. Next it could be “your father was Palestinian, you’re out”… your mother was a drug dealer, you’re out”.. “you are Catholic, you’re out.” Be careful what you wish for.
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bradleygator said:
I’m referring to Trump’s comments that “homegrown criminals” are next.
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Shockingly...you both got it wrong.

Trump floated the idea that NATURALIZED citizens that had commited VIOLENT CRIMES could be sent to El Salvador.

And the law is already in place for this. Naturalized citizens were NOT born here, they came here and acquired citizenship. And if they commit a violent crime, that's grounds to deport them.

Once again, Trump tricked you both into attacking him for wanting to protect Americans, and he tricked you both into DEFENDING GANG MEMBERS.

No one does it better, although to be fair you guys aren't giving him much to work with in the mental department.
 
GhostOfMatchesMalone said:
Shockingly...you both got it wrong.

Trump floated the idea that NATURALIZED citizens that had commited VIOLENT CRIMES could be sent to El Salvador.

And the law is already in place for this. Naturalized citizens were NOT born here, they came here and acquired citizenship. And if they commit a violent crime, that's grounds to deport them.

Once again, Trump tricked you both into attacking him for wanting to protect Americans, and he tricked you both into DEFENDING GANG MEMBERS.

No one does it better, although to be fair you guys aren't giving him much to work with in the mental
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Hopefully someone figures out a way to deport clowns like you.
 
bradleygator said:
No disrespect to your service (I was in the Coast Guard) but when was that?

Current issues are that we can’t resupply ships with ordinance in the pacific and that carrier groups are susceptible to hypersonic missiles.

I just saw something that the Chinese built more ships in the last year than we have since WW2.

My point in pointing all these things out is that we need to be real about our situation. We spend more money than anyone else on defense but how are we spending it?

We just committed $20 billion to Boeing to build the x-47, but are manned fighters even going to be a thing by the time they’re rolling out?

We’ve launched probably half a billion in ordinance at the houthis and they’ve still got the Red Sea closed using $1000 drones.
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What makes our military great isn't our size its our log train.

Youre Coast Guard so you dont know about the sea whiz, go look at a YouTube video of how those work.

Ordinance is a problem because we gave away a crap ton of it to Ukraine. But you pay the three factories that make the stiff, they'll catch up.

Force plan 2030 was literally written to turn the Marine Corps into nothing but an expeditionary force to fight China.

Id be worried about seizing mainland china with boots on the ground, i am absolutely not worried about their Navy, especially since we figured out how to conduct ASW via rotary wing aircraft.
 
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I just read an interesting article on how the Navy is dealing with drones in the Red Sea. They started out with rockets but have moved to a round that is essentially like a shotgun blast. Generally people have no idea of the intensity of the fighting our navy is involved in there. Navy commanders said it’s the most intense naval warfare since WW2.
 
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GhostOfMatchesMalone said:
Shockingly...you both got it wrong.

Trump floated the idea that NATURALIZED citizens that had commited VIOLENT CRIMES could be sent to El Salvador.

And the law is already in place for this. Naturalized citizens were NOT born here, they came here and acquired citizenship. And if they commit a violent crime, that's grounds to deport them.

Once again, Trump tricked you both into attacking him for wanting to protect Americans, and he tricked you both into DEFENDING GANG MEMBERS.

No one does it better, although to be fair you guys aren't giving him much to work with in the mental department.
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When Trump is focused and talking (and taking) on immigration and crime, he is unbeatable.

Tariffs - we shall see.

If he loses the house in the mid-terms, the administration will be ground to a halt and he will need Elon to fund his lawfare protection. An impeachment will come within days of the new house being sworn in.

Again, we will see.
 
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I realize there’s a larger principle at play but I think the administration really needs to think about whether driving this economy into a brick wall 2020 style is the best opening move here.
 
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I realize there’s a larger principle at play but I think the administration really needs to think about whether driving this economy into a brick wall 2020 style is the best opening move here.
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Bradley, if we wait till you and cat avatar dude understand what is happening, nothing will happen.

You have literally become the guy telling your cardiologist that you aren't sure if he's right about you needing heart surgery, cause you shared your symptoms on Reddit and they aren't too sure that surgery is the right move here.

I mean, you just learned China has a lot of ships and it's completely broken you. Let the adults handle the big decisions here.
 
G8trDad3 said:
I get it. Trump trumps all. He walks on water.
Maybe some of you should stop watching Fox or Newsmax or whatever. (And, lol, I do not watch CNN.)
As someone here said, just wait till his third term. Well, let’s see how he pulls that off. I have no doubt he will rearrange the laws to make it happen.
Again, there was an order in place for the guy to remain in the US. It was ignored. Trump even admitted it was a mistake. (Does not matter if he was guilty or innocent.) They are setting precedent. Next it could be “your father was Palestinian, you’re out”… your mother was a drug dealer, you’re out”.. “you are Catholic, you’re out.” Be careful what you wish for.
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So you’re argument is we shouldn’t enforce immigration laws because they could start deporting citizens next?
 
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