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If I was seeing the savings gas should be 2.06 here at BJs wholesale and 2.28 elsewhere in town.

And eggs here dropped $1 from 5.97 to $4.97 at Aldis and $4.20 equivalent at BJs (60 eggs per pack)

The savings based on the numbers released by the admin would have my eggs at ~$1.80.

I am NOT blaming Trump but I am not happy that I am not yet seeing the lower prices at the pump or store.
 
The nation is and has been bankrupt. Not sure smacking all our creditors across the face was the wisest move, but I guess we’ll see.

I will say this, if Trump pulls this off it’s almost akin to DDay in terms of the difficulty and importance.x.
It's about leverage.

Aren't you in consulting? Let's say you are, and lets say you have one client who is paying you 6 figures a year. And has since 2020.

If your only client comes up to you and says 'Hey Brad, we've been reviewing your contract offer and we can only pay $60,000 a year from now on."

If that happens, you are screwed. Because that ONE client has leverage over you. Same thing Trump has over China right now.

The alternative is just do nothing and slowly let China completely absorb the US and we slowly do a death march into a Chinese gulag.

Which seems to be preferable to some over admitting that Trump may know what he's doing.
 
I agree it is about leverage. My concern is that Trump is overestimating the amount of leverage we have, particularly over the Chinese.

What leverage do people think we have?

Our market accounts for 30 percent of global consumption so there’s that. But we’re in debt up to our eyeballs, government and consumers. And losing $10 trillion (and counting) out of the markets is not going to help consumption. By the way they hold 700 billion of our debt. And treasury yields are going crazy.

I’m sure they take our military seriously but I don’t think they’re afraid of us. Our own war games have shown we can’t sustain a naval battle in the pacific. I’m sure the Chinese are aware.

Europe needs energy from us but the Chinese don’t.

So I’m not sure starting full on economic war with China is in our interests, but here we are.
 
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I agree it is about leverage. My concern is that Trump is overestimating the amount of leverage we have, particularly over the Chinese.

What leverage do people think we have?

Our market accounts for 30 percent of global consumption so there’s that. But we’re in debt up to our eyeballs, government and consumers. And losing $10 trillion (and counting) out of the markets is not going to help consumption. By the way they hold 700 billion of our debt. And treasury yields are going crazy.

I’m sure they take our military seriously but I don’t think they’re afraid of us. Our own war games have shown we can’t sustain a naval battle in the pacific. I’m sure the Chinese are aware.

Europe needs energy from us but the Chinese don’t.

So I’m not sure starting full on economic war with China is in our interests, but here we are.


 
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From the ZH article:

“It is going to be fascinating to see how everything plays out.

By dramatically hiking tariffs, the U.S., China and the European Union are essentially taxing the living daylights out of their citizens.

They will bring in more money, our standard of living will drop quite a bit, and economic activity will slow down significantly.”

If we do not reverse course, this is a story that is not going to end well.”



Sound good to everyone?
 
From the ZH article:

“It is going to be fascinating to see how everything plays out.

By dramatically hiking tariffs, the U.S., China and the European Union are essentially taxing the living daylights out of their citizens.

They will bring in more money, our standard of living will drop quite a bit, and economic activity will slow down significantly.”

If we do not reverse course, this is a story that is not going to end well.”



Sound good to everyone?
I trust the multi billionaire
 
Yep. Because the alternative of doing nothing is far worse.
All your comments presume that collapsing global trade was the only option. Obviously there are infinite ways this could have been approached.

I will say if the ultimate plan is to basically declare national bankruptcy then it’s being well executed.
 
I am NOT blaming Trump but I am not happy that I am not yet seeing the lower prices at the pump or store.
I think it is due to the pipeline in both cases. The gas was refined at higher prices, and the new hens are just starting to produce eggs. When the price of oil drops, the oil companies start cutting back on production. Remember when spot oil futures were negative during covid? I was paying 1.25 a gallon at BJs, they weren't paying me to fill up. ;)
 
All your comments presume that collapsing global trade was the only option. Obviously there are infinite ways this could have been approached.

I will say if the ultimate plan is to basically declare national bankruptcy then it’s being well executed.
The other nations are cutting off their noses to spite their faces by not negotiating their tariffs on us now. It's now a matter of who can take the body blows better and still remain standing. They thought Trump was bluffing. They FA, now everyone is FO, including us.
 
The other nations are cutting off their noses to spite their faces by not negotiating their tariffs on us now. It's now a matter of who can take the body blows better and still remain standing. They thought Trump was bluffing. They FA, now everyone is FO, including us.


We were told that we MUST help Ukraine because if we did not, Russia would steamroll across Europe then the rest of the world.

China's already doing that and has been for decades. Yet the same people telling us that we must stop Russia, also tell us to leave China alone, we are overreacting!

Make it make sense.
 


We were told that we MUST help Ukraine because if we did not, Russia would steamroll across Europe then the rest of the world.

China's already doing that and has been for decades. Yet the same people telling us that we must stop Russia, also tell us to leave China alone, we are overreacting!

Make it make sense.

Thanks in large part because of @gatorspeed pal Chicom Chuck

 
What ? Trump playing 4D chess?

Turning the world on the democrats party's best friend China? 🇨🇳

 
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So tariffs good or not good? Just the threat of big tariffs must be good if they are now delayed.
Does anyone else get the feeling that our beloved craves attention? He has been given absolute power. He loves threatening the world then pulling back. It’s like when a bully only takes half your lunch money and you say thank you. He claims other countries are kissing his a**. Just loving that. (And he wouldn’t exaggerate something like that. )
Also, and I have no proof, just a hunch, some cronies have made millions just playing the ups and downs of the market; either he does it intentionally or not, someone is benefiting.
 
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So tariffs good or not good? Just the threat of big tariffs must be good if they are now delayed.
Does anyone else get the feeling that our beloved craves attention? He has been given absolute power. He loves threatening the world then pulling back. It’s like when a bully only takes half your lunch money and you say thank you. He claims other countries are kissing his a**. Just loving that. (And he wouldn’t exaggerate something like that. )
Also, and I have no proof, just a hunch, some cronies have made millions just playing the ups and downs of the market; either he does it intentionally or not, someone is benefiting.
My guess is that he is using the 90 day pause to negotiate better deals without the anxiety caused by keeping the tariffs in place. The key term is pause. I think we get better deals on trade during this pause and if so the pause becomes permanent. Trump had to leave them in place for long enough to show that he is serious. I may be wrong, but I think this will be a big plus in a few months.
 
So tariffs good or not good? Just the threat of big tariffs must be good if they are now delayed.
Does anyone else get the feeling that our beloved craves attention? He has been given absolute power. He loves threatening the world then pulling back. It’s like when a bully only takes half your lunch money and you say thank you. He claims other countries are kissing his a**. Just loving that. (And he wouldn’t exaggerate something like that. )
Also, and I have no proof, just a hunch, some cronies have made millions just playing the ups and downs of the market; either he does it intentionally or not, someone is benefiting.
Can you name ANYONE that gives even one half of a chit what you think? ANYONE? You vote for multiple genders(you cannot tell the diffference between a male or female?) Open borders(your side did this and promised a bill had to be passed to close the border. WTF happened here...ITS CLOSED) , and responsible for 25% inflation(why do we not care what your side thinks economically? LOLOL) And you all believe men should be allowed to play in womens sports, and use the same locker room and bathroom. I WONDER why NO ONE cares what you think? PLEASE, PLEASE keep sprtingting to the left...you will NEVER win another election because NOT ONE of you are smart enough to understand WHY you got your A$$ whipped so bad on 11/5!

BTW...anymore questions?
 
This actually is making democrats MAD AS HELL. THEY HOPE he fails, and the economy crashes. EVERY ONE of them. And lets them EARN the title of AMERICA'S #1 enemy

Have you noticed the RATS and Indy’s” cough cough “ like my buddy Kal came right out of the wood work today 😂😂😂
 
Can you name ANYONE that gives even one half of a chit what you think? ANYONE? You vote for multiple genders(you cannot tell the diffference between a male or female?) Open borders(your side did this and promised a bill had to be passed to close the border. WTF happened here...ITS CLOSED) , and responsible for 25% inflation(why do we not care what your side thinks economically? LOLOL) And you all believe men should be allowed to play in womens sports, and use the same locker room and bathroom. I WONDER why NO ONE cares what you think? PLEASE, PLEASE keep sprtingting to the left...you will NEVER win another election because NOT ONE of you are smart enough to understand WHY you got your A$$ whipped so bad on 11/5!

BTW...anymore questions?
First off-you did not respond to me comments.
Secondly, you do not know me. You can say I was a Rhino but I leaned republican until Trump was president. I did not vote for him OR Clinton or anyone that year. I was glad he won. Then I watched his antics and the Republican Party cheered which turned me away. I do not identify as a dem either. I am in favor of less government. (But not wholesale hatchet jobs). I do not think trans should play sports. You just have to attack anyone that challenges your savior.
 
First off-you did not respond to me comments.
Secondly, you do not know me. You can say I was a Rhino but I leaned republican until Trump was president. I did not vote for him OR Clinton or anyone that year. I was glad he won. Then I watched his antics and the Republican Party cheered which turned me away. I do not identify as a dem either. I am in favor of less government. (But not wholesale hatchet jobs). I do not think trans should play sports. You just have to attack anyone that challenges your savior.
You spelled AMERICAS savior wrong, son. And let me educate you on something else....the establishment pubs are DONE forever. Hop on America first..or go be a GOOD dimwad. I am not sure you could make our team.
 
You spelled AMERICAS savior wrong, son. And let me educate you on something else....the establishment pubs are DONE forever. Hop on America first..or go be a GOOD dimwad. I am not sure you could make our team.
Wow. Where does all this visceral hate come from.? Feel sorry a fellow Gator fan is so troubled?😕
 
I agree it is about leverage. My concern is that Trump is overestimating the amount of leverage we have, particularly over the Chinese.

What leverage do people think we have?


This morning it was US vs China. Thanks to one bold move by Trump, now it's the world vs China.

And China is the villiain. The rest of the world wants fair trade.

Trump's brilliance sometimes even stuns me.
 
Nasdaq is down 3000 since February even after today and we still haven’t seen what the payoff is going to be as far as trade concessions.

Trump folded because the bond market was collapsing, in part due to large scale selling by the countries we were tariffing (Japan most prominently), so we found the limits of that particular strategy.

However, convincing everyone that you’re crazy at the outset isn’t the worst negotiating strategy
 
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