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America is worth saving. Our Political Elites have sold-out America and our manufacturing base. If we do not take it back now - WHEN?!?!

Robotics and AI-centric Manufacturing MUST come to America... That must happen NOW!
This is what so many are missing. If we don't act now, what's left of our manufacturing and other industries will be gone and we'll be solely dependent on other nations to sustain us. That is NOT a position of strength at all. Knowing Trump, he'll likely use this as a negotiation to remove tariffs altogether with some nations. China's the one we should play hard ball with.

17.9% of all US imports come from China. China made $501B from their products selling in the US (from 2023). China exports 55.6% of its products ($3.575 Trillion) and the US leads the way in importing them with 14.7% of that total (2024). The second highest importer is Hong Kong with 8.1%. So we could severely hurt China's economy if they don't play ball with us. We should look to build ourselves again and hurt them in the process. When Nixon was President, China was a mere shell of what it is today but because of some very short-sighted leadership in government and specifically in international trade, we've let them become a world power. Incredibly stupid.
 
Jim I sure pray you and Capt are right, bcos if your not, it’s gonna get funky like a monkey, tons of good folks are suffering thru this, on both sides of the isle, I just wish Trump would be more open about a timeline than just saying this and saying that, it will get old fast if things don’t get turned around sooner than later, I’m curious, what would you be saying if Obama or Biden was blasting the stock market and economy with Tariffs? And if your gonna be slick no need too respond
Jim I sure pray you and Capt are right, bcos if your not, it’s gonna get funky like a monkey, tons of good folks are suffering thru this, on both sides of the isle, I just wish Trump would be more open about a timeline than just saying this and saying that, it will get old fast if things don’t get turned around sooner than later, I’m curious, what would you be saying if Obama or Biden was blasting the stock market and economy with Tariffs? And if your gonna be slick no need too respond
The only way you could possibly lose is to sell right now. I am probably closer to retirement age than just about anybody here at 63 and I am 100% fine with this. For one reason I put my country first. The trade war was started on us 35 to 40 years ago and we never responded. All we are doing now is leveling the plane filled with all of these nations that have been sucking our jobs in our wealth from the American taxpayer. It has to end, and Trump is the only person with the guts enough to do something like this. The stock market will come back, and it will not take long. And it will come back much better than we have ever seen. Just do not sell right now and you will be fine.
 
The only way you could possibly lose is to sell right now. I am probably closer to retirement age than just about anybody here at 63 and I am 100% fine with this. For one reason I put my country first. The trade war was started on us 35 to 40 years ago and we never responded. All we are doing now is leveling the plane filled with all of these nations that have been sucking our jobs in our wealth from the American taxpayer. It has to end, and Trump is the only person with the guts enough to do something like this. The stock market will come back, and it will not take long. And it will come back much better than we have ever seen. Just do not sell right now and you will be fine.
Ron I’m holding on brother but wow it is ugly right now
 
Ron I’m holding on brother but wow it is ugly right now
This is not an accurate statement at ALL, unless you are cashing out. Most things are MUCH better. Border CLOSED, criminals being arrested and deported, oil prices in freefall, jobs expectations better than expected, inflation down, egg prices SLASHED, waste and fraud getting eliminated every day. Unless you HAVE to cask out right now..it does not matter, in FACT...GO BUY!! You WANT things to be bad...and that is just sad. What do you think the wealthy are doing now? Selling...or buying?
 
1) The economy was very different back then. I don't think you can draw an exact parallel to Tariffs = economic collapse when the global scene is so different.
2) The root cause was loose monetary policy in the 20's creating a massive bubble that popped in 1929. Similar to the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac bubble popping, when loans default on a massive scale it causes major issues in the economy.
3) Did they make it worse? Probably, but this doesn't prove causation.

Proof?
Trump was aggressive with tariffs in his first term and up to Covid, his economy was robust and healthy.
The question was did it cause a recession.

Yes, monetary policy and 2008 level loose lending caused it but tarriffs deepened and lengethened it. There is no debate around that unless one wants to engage in revisionist history.

A lot of people have lost a lot of money for something I certainly did not vote for - a broad tariff war. Please let’s go back to 2024 threads and find where we discussed this as a board.

Retirees, both sets of my parents, my friends and me. I have added a year of working and increased layoff risk if we hit a recession.

Hate the mean tweets or not, the economy did quite well under Trump 1.

I also saw a segment from Thomas Sowell. He panned these Tariffs and cited exactly the 1930s.

If this does nothing but create a quarter of a buying opportunity - fine.

If we get a global recession - sorry, not what I signed up for.

Put life back into the Democrats when they were knocked out of existence? Didn’t sign up for that either.

We shall see.
 
This is not an accurate statement at ALL, unless you are cashing out. Most things are MUCH better. Border CLOSED, criminals being arrested and deported, oil prices in freefall, jobs expectations better than expected, inflation down, egg prices SLASHED, waste and fraud getting eliminated every day. Unless you HAVE to cask out right now..it does not matter, in FACT...GO BUY!! You WANT things to be bad...and that is just sad. What do you think the wealthy are doing now? Selling...or buying?
Captain - yes, if this a quarter, fine.

But it it causes a recession and people get fired, then guess what, you are now FORCED to sell unless you have 250K plus in cash reserves, and those can go fast.

That is the concern and what I saw happen to many friends in the 2008 GFC.

You also have retirees like my parents. Yes, they are selling all the time with MDR. That’s who is getting killed here - people who worked a life time for their retirement.

Other things - yes, Trump is killing it. It’s why I am so perplexed here. This was NOT a key issue discussed.

Again, we will see.
 
I like Eric’s thinking here and if that’s the approach - great. A quarter of paper losses, 10 year bond below 4 percent so we can refinance debt and no recession - cool.

If this is a restructuring to have permanent tariffs to get new revenue streams and force higher prices and lower GDP (a key part of the Bessent plan is 3 percent GDP and 3 perfect deficits versus 6 now), then it is failing Bessents key test, -3 ain’t plus 3.

We shall see
 
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Captain - yes, if this a quarter, fine.

But it it causes a recession and people get fired, then guess what, you are now FORCED to sell unless you have 250K plus in cash reserves, and those can go fast.

That is the concern and what I saw happen to many friends in the 2008 GFC.

You also have retirees like my parents. Yes, they are selling all the time with MDR. That’s who is getting killed here - people who worked a life time for their retirement.

Other things - yes, Trump is killing it. It’s why I am so perplexed here. This was NOT a key issue discussed.

Again, we will see.
The simple answer here is BUY NOW...do not sell, unless you have to. And NO...you are not getting killed with small withdrals. If you re in that position, it is not wise anyway.

Now lets look at this from another view. What SHOULD be done? Should we let these Countries RAPE us, and take our jobs and do nothing?(like 3-4 presidents have done? Should we let fraud and waste continue to protect these retirees? I say HELL no...it is EVERY American's job to try to help America. I am 63 now and can see retirement, and am 110% behind this, because it is a NO BRAINER. Build the case of what YOU think should happen instead of "this is a bad move" Do you suggest the status quo?
 
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Captain - yes, if this a quarter, fine.

But it it causes a recession and people get fired, then guess what, you are now FORCED to sell unless you have 250K plus in cash reserves, and those can go fast.

That is the concern and what I saw happen to many friends in the 2008 GFC.

You also have retirees like my parents. Yes, they are selling all the time with MDR. That’s who is getting killed here - people who worked a life time for their retirement.

Other things - yes, Trump is killing it. It’s why I am so perplexed here. This was NOT a key issue discussed.

Again, we will see.
Who is getting fired? People who refuse to show up to work?
 
The simple answer here is BUY NOW...do not sell, unless you have to. And NO...you are not getting killed with small withdrals. If you re in that position, it is not wise anyway.

Now lets look at this from another view. What SHOULD be done? Should we let these Countries RAPE us, and take our jobs and do nothing?(like 3-4 presidents have done? Should we let fraud and waste continue to protect these retirees? I say HELL no...it is EVERY American's job to try to help America. I am 63 now and can see retirement, and am 110% behind this, because it is a NO BRAINER. Build the case of what YOU think should happen instead of "this is a bad move" Do you suggest the status quo?
Your second part is a very fair question - on the PRODUCTS side of our GDP. On the Services side, WE doing the killing.

I used to have a senior role at Whirlpool. I know all too well what unfair competition is.

Let me respond back in a few days on what I would do.

And yes, I am not selling - at all. I am also conserving cash (as are many) - and thus am not driving GDP. That too is a problem.
 
Who is getting fired? People who refuse to show up to work?
What is happening is that businesses are QUICKLY pulling back on spending, especially on OPEX. As I have mentioned, I am partner in a global consulting firm. MSFT, Google, Meta, and many others are doing quiet layoffs.

There is now a 60% chance of recession. When that happens unemployment rises as it did in 91, 2001, 2008-9 and 2020.

When that recession hits layoffs rise, people have to create liquidity. Retirees, as we have seen on this board, then have to sell (or, if they are lucky, just take dividends and then ratchet WAY back on spending).

I love ya man, you know I do, and you know I have backed Trump here and thought he is doing outstanding things in Immigration, DOGE, DEI removal things, etc.

I am calling balls and strikes and seeing myself (yes, just on paper - as of now) far poorer now than I was just 45 days ago and Trump doing things - that he did not really talk about nor did we on this board.

Tbh - I am mad and dissapointed. I also think he is getting bad advice here from Lutnick and Navarro.
 
What is happening is that businesses are QUICKLY pulling back on spending, especially on OPEX. As I have mentioned, I am partner in a global consulting firm. MSFT, Google, Meta, and many others are doing quiet layoffs.

There is now a 60% chance of recession. (because of tariffs?)When that happens unemployment rises as it did in 91, 2001, 2008-9 and 2020.

When that recession hits layoffs rise, people have to create liquidity. Retirees, as we have seen on this board, then have to sell (or, if they are lucky, just take dividends and then ratchet WAY back on spending).

I love ya man, you know I do, and you know I have backed Trump here and thought he is doing outstanding things in Immigration, DOGE, DEI removal things, etc. ( I back AMERICA, and what is best for it. I think Trump is that guy, and I trust his move here)

I am calling balls and strikes and seeing myself (yes, just on paper - as of now)( ON PAPER) far poorer now than I was just 45 days ago and Trump doing things - that he did not really talk about nor did we on this board.

Tbh - I am mad and dissapointed. I also think he is getting bad advice here from Lutnick and Navarro.(when it all turns the right way...how will you feel since we are guessing?)
I respect your opinion, and understand it. But WHAT IS THE ANSWER HERE? Keep getting raped by other countries, or temporary pain for UNBELIEVABLE results? I choose the latter. Manufacturing and jobs coming BACK to America can only be viewed as GREAT for America.
 
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If tariffs get dropped great

But Israel did that and tariffs were STILL applied
Can you give this more than just a few days? LOLOL I wish some of you would have gotten this upset while inflation climbed to 25% in a short time...but I was here, and did not see any of that. And we gained ZERO getting 25% inflation. There is gold at the end of the rainbow here. And please tell me how bringing manufacturing and jobs back to America is going to be a bad thing?

LASTLY...if tariffs do not work...WHY DO WE GET smashed by all the other Countries with tariffs? Please answer this one for me.......
 
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I respect your opinion, and understand it. But WHAT IS THE ANSWER HERE? Keep getting raped by other countries, or temporary pain for UNBELIEVABLE results? I choose the latter. Manufacturing and jobs coming BACK to America can only be viewed as GREAT for America.
On a long plane flight back from London (amazing city, great weather this past week), so let me give some thoughts.

I respect your opinion, and understand it. But WHAT IS THE ANSWER HERE? Keep getting raped by other countries, or temporary pain for UNBELIEVABLE results? I choose the latter. Manufacturing and jobs coming BACK to America can only be viewed as GREAT for America.
First is starting with the things, that I and many others DID vote for:

1. Immigration - A++
2. DEI removal - A
3. Trying to stop endless wars and spending - B+ (he's trying, but its hard)
4. Reduce waste and fraud in government - A-. Very sloppy at many points, but absolutely the right direction.
5. Removing regulations - not done yet, this HAS to come fast
6. Reducing the debt/deficit - he's tracking to it. It's also hard and he has to go after entitlements, which he will get vilified for - they are starting with Medicaid
7. Make even more progressive the tax code (removing tax on tips, remove carried interest deduction)

So, if he did just those things, he would be crushing it.

To answer your question, you have to ask the follow up question, "what makes America 'great'". Does being a Manufacturing power make us "great"? My answer is "very much depends on the sector".

For example - making furniture, clothes, toys, TVs, who cares. I want it from the cheapest/best country, esp. as this helps the working class afford a far better lifestyle for a given income level.

I think design and innovation is where we MUST win. For example, where was AI revolutionalized - HERE. Cloud computing - HERE. SaaS - HERE. Med-Tech/Pharma/Vaccine innovation - HERE. Oncology breadthrough - here. GLP-1s - hERE. Leading surgical practices - HERE. Financial services and innovation - HERE. EV Cars such as Rivian and Tesla - HERE. Oil/extraction / Fracking - here. Solar - HERE. Nuclear - HERE.

We do that - and do it exceptionally well.

You do though get into potentially risks and choke points - chip manufacturing/fab - done in Taiwan (90% of high-end chips). API/Molecules, critical for pharmaceuticals - India. This is where I want to see diversification. If China takes over Taiwan (and they have some historical claim and it is 90 miles from their border). Yes, we need to bring that here.

Now the left will say, "Well - that was the IRA". Then you have the problem - "well, sure, decent idea and TERRIBLE execution." You know who makes that point? Ezra Klein on the left. See this one that just dropped on the Ben Shapiro show:

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Ezra Klein literally wrote a book on how liberalism and multi-culturalism has failed government objectives. You should watch the above, it shows how important #5 is and how Democrats are starting to see it.

Your focus is on Manufacturing. So how important is it that we manufacture automotive sub-assemblies, components or washing machines in the U.S.? My answer is, "sure - good jobs, but not critical." We happen to make a lot of them.

Final assembly should be done in the U.S.

My view is that where we SHOULD excel is in high automation / high innovation manufacturing and assembly. Do we need to have EVERY ITEM ON THE 12+ layer Bill of Material done in the U.S. - no. Do we need to mine the raw Aluminum and Iron? Only to the extent to lower raw input costs - if they are already low, ok. if canada wants to give us cheap oil and lumber - fantastic. Let them. If they tarrif us on those, they are just dumb - it's why, theirs along with the EU - have been in dump economically for decades versus the U.S.

So, policy prescriptions:

1. Make community college free for certain trades - electrical, welding, machine. Why are Data Centers expensive to put up? Over regulation, land/lease permitting and lack of electrical crews. I know this first hand.

2. Adopt the Elon goal - get the EU and us to zero tarriffs. If they don't, fine - then place a tarriff on selective industries and price points. Example? Any Auto not final assembled in the U.S. and above $50K gets a 25% tarriff. That, like the SALT cap, hits the coasts.

3. Keep the USMCA - but if any U.S. company seeks to shut down a line, shift and move to Mexico, they get hit with tarriffs for that car/line that gets moved. They get tax breaks if they re-patriate them to the U.S.

On competitiveness - in the services side, we are dominant. Part of our issue on the manufacturing side, is that outside of Tesla, Rivians or say Jeeps (which are still on the Mercedes legacy platform), US cars lack in design and features that European cars do. Audis and BMWs are cool cars. Ferrari too. Volkswagen is dropping market share for a reason. You see very few Volvos. Saabs (I had a few - loved them) are non-existent. Bigger SUVs / Trucks don't really have a place in the EU, except maybe in rural areas. That's a lot of car to ship too.

Do all of the things above, we will have Bessent's 3%+ GDP growth (or more), be focused on the right industries, drop inflation, and also curtail government spending and growth, again part of his plan.

There you go.
 
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On a long plane flight back from London (amazing city, great weather this past week), so let me give some thoughts.


First is starting with the things, that I and many others DID vote for:

1. Immigration - A++
2. DEI removal - A
3. Trying to stop endless wars and spending - B+ (he's trying, but its hard)
4. Reduce waste and fraud in government - A-. Very sloppy at many points, but absolutely the right direction.
5. Removing regulations - not done yet, this HAS to come fast
6. Reducing the debt/deficit - he's tracking to it. It's also hard and he has to go after entitlements, which he will get vilified for - they are starting with Medicaid
7. Make even more progressive the tax code (removing tax on tips, remove carried interest deduction)

So, if he did just those things, he would be crushing it.

To answer your question, you have to ask the follow up question, "what makes America 'great'". Does being a Manufacturing power make us "great"? My answer is "very much depends on the sector".

For example - making furniture, clothes, toys, TVs, who cares. I want it from the cheapest/best country, esp. as this helps the working class afford a far better lifestyle for a given income level.

I think design and innovation is where we MUST win. For example, where was AI revolutionalized - HERE. Cloud computing - HERE. SaaS - HERE. Med-Tech/Pharma/Vaccine innovation - HERE. Oncology breadthrough - here. GLP-1s - hERE. Leading surgical practices - HERE. Financial services and innovation - HERE. EV Cars such as Rivian and Tesla - HERE. Oil/extraction / Fracking - here. Solar - HERE. Nuclear - HERE.

We do that - and do it exceptionally well.

You do though get into potentially risks and choke points - chip manufacturing/fab - done in Taiwan (90% of high-end chips). API/Molecules, critical for pharmaceuticals - India. This is where I want to see diversification. If China takes over Taiwan (and they have some historical claim and it is 90 miles from their border). Yes, we need to bring that here.

Now the left will say, "Well - that was the IRA". Then you have the problem - "well, sure, decent idea and TERRIBLE execution." You know who makes that point? Ezra Klein on the left. See this one that just dropped on the Ben Shapiro show:

>

Ezra Klein literally wrote a book on how liberalism and multi-culturalism has failed government objectives. You should watch the above, it shows how important #5 is and how Democrats are starting to see it.

Your focus is on Manufacturing. So how important is it that we manufacture automotive sub-assemblies, components or washing machines in the U.S.? My answer is, "sure - good jobs, but not critical." We happen to make a lot of them.

Final assembly should be done in the U.S.

My view is that where we SHOULD excel is in high automation / high innovation manufacturing and assembly. Do we need to have EVERY ITEM ON THE 12+ layer Bill of Material done in the U.S. - no. Do we need to mine the raw Aluminum and Iron? Only to the extent to lower raw input costs - if they are already low, ok. if canada wants to give us cheap oil and lumber - fantastic. Let them. If they tarrif us on those, they are just dumb - it's why, theirs along with the EU - have been in dump economically for decades versus the U.S.

So, policy prescriptions:

1. Make community college free for certain trades - electrical, welding, machine. Why are Data Centers expensive to put up? Over regulation, land/lease permitting and lack of electrical crews. I know this first hand.

2. Adopt the Elon goal - get the EU and us to zero tarriffs. If they don't, fine - then place a tarriff on selective industries and price points. Example? Any Auto not final assembled in the U.S. and above $50K gets a 25% tarriff. That, like the SALT cap, hits the coasts.

3. Keep the USMCA - but if any U.S. company seeks to shut down a line, shift and move to Mexico, they get hit with tarriffs for that car/line that gets moved. They get tax breaks if they re-patriate them to the U.S.

On competitiveness - in the services side, we are dominant. Part of our issue on the manufacturing side, is that outside of Tesla, Rivians or say Jeeps (which are still on the Mercedes legacy platform), US cars lack in design and features that European cars do. Audis and BMWs are cool cars. Ferrari too. Volkswagen is dropping market share for a reason. You see very few Volvos. Saabs (I had a few - loved them) are non-existent. Bigger SUVs / Trucks don't really have a place in the EU, except maybe in rural areas. That's a lot of car to ship too.

Do all of the things above, we will have Bessent's 3%+ GDP growth (or more), be focused on the right industries, drop inflation, and also curtail government spending and growth, again part of his plan.

There you go.
All brilliant stuff, but it still does not answer why they tariff us so heavily yet it ruins America when we tariff in return. If it works for every other Country we deal with, what is the problem with us trying to bring manufacturing BACK to America for more jobs, which is where REAL power comes from. without economic power...you have non. Ask the USSR.
 
What is happening is that businesses are QUICKLY pulling back on spending, especially on OPEX. As I have mentioned, I am partner in a global consulting firm. MSFT, Google, Meta, and many others are doing quiet layoffs.

There is now a 60% chance of recession. When that happens unemployment rises as it did in 91, 2001, 2008-9 and 2020.

When that recession hits layoffs rise, people have to create liquidity. Retirees, as we have seen on this board, then have to sell (or, if they are lucky, just take dividends and then ratchet WAY back on spending).

I love ya man, you know I do, and you know I have backed Trump here and thought he is doing outstanding things in Immigration, DOGE, DEI removal things, etc.

I am calling balls and strikes and seeing myself (yes, just on paper - as of now) far poorer now than I was just 45 days ago and Trump doing things - that he did not really talk about nor did we on this board.

Tbh - I am mad and dissapointed. I also think he is getting bad advice here from Lutnick and Navarro.
Question for you since you are part of it. When did the Big 4 get away from their core business model of big business accounting matters and dive into consulting? What do they consult for other than all of those insane government contracts???? I think they outkicked their coverage and are going to take it on the chin for that.
 
Question for you since you are part of it. When did the Big 4 get away from their core business model of big business accounting matters and dive into consulting? What do they consult for other than all of those insane government contracts???? I think they outkicked their coverage and are going to take it on the chin for that.
That's a very good question.

The answer is the 1990s - decades ago. Consulting is now larger (although not as profitable) as audit and tax. You had the infamous Arthur Anderson and Accenture split.

Now, our business was hit hard by DOGE. On THAT one, I have NO issue. That would be morally wrong to ask taxpayers, like all of you, to consistently bail out partner earnings. We did lose a lot - and that is ok. (it happened weeks ago and was well documented by the Economist).

Our Federal business is between 5-9% of total revenue. We a lot of good work, but honestly, all of that FWA that Musk is finding, also means that it takes us 2-5x the time to do the same thing for a commercial client. Pete Hegseth actually made that point.

So - I could see the Federal Government (and you the tax payer) spending a LOT less, AND firms like ours making a FAR bigger impact.

Again, excellent question.
 
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If trump's strategy is to go big and then both sides drop tariffs - then great. It is Trump magic and negotiating at work.
The point here is...why not wait and see what happens? Trump DOES have a track record about being RIGHT on the economy, and the media DOES have a track record for being WRONG on Trump.

So why listen to the media on a topic they have proven repeatedly to be wrong about? Logically, that makes no sense.
 
All brilliant stuff, but it still does not answer why they tariff us so heavily yet it ruins America when we tariff in return. If it works for every other Country we deal with, what is the problem with us trying to bring manufacturing BACK to America for more jobs, which is where REAL power comes from. without economic power...you have non. Ask the USSR.
Appreciate it. Good question - and a parallel question is that if Tariffs are so bad, then why when, say, Trump raises tariffs, then why do other countries re-raise?

An equally important point (as we see from the Democrats hourly) is just because another entity does it, it does not make it "smart". (read: school lockdowns, but countless other examples)

Let's answer it by type of country:

1. Poor countries - they are trying to get fledgling industries off of the ground and not get slammed by cheap competition. Does it help them? Maybe...maybe that's why they are poor.

2. Industrial Powerhouses (China) - I am actually not sure why they tariff, but they are solving for the CCP not for the wealth of each individual citizen unlike Western Countries.

3. Rich, Western Countries - Canada, as an example, has dropped it % of GDP to the US from 80% in 2002 to 72% in 2022. It's making them poorer. Their GDP growth pales in comparison to the U.S. EU is exactly the same.

Japan is a very unique situation and culture.

Then, if Trump raises, why re-raise? Economically, I would bet it's counter productive. But, politically, politicians need to show their constituents that they will "fight for them" and as evidenced just in this thread, a politician (Trump in this case) raising tariffs shows "strength" and "nationalistic pride".

Now, where does REAL power come from? It's not manufacturing, would be my submission to you and this group. It is the following:

1. Control and be the Reserve Currency. People trade in dollars. They finance trade deficits in dollars.
2. Have a superior Financial Services sector. Again, control currency, money supply. It's how we are able to punish Russia...for now.
3. Have superior oil and energy producing capacity. EU shut down Nuclear....dumb. Cutting off the Keystone Pipeline...dumb. Relying on Middle East oil in the 1970s versus being energy independent....Jimmy Carter. You get the jist.
4. Have superior innovation and technology. Win and lead in AI, Data Centers and Chip Fabrication. We are very good on the first two, and the third is why we REALY care about Taiwan.
5. Farming and abundant Farm Land - this along with #3 is China's problem.

Now, does owning OEM through Tier N automotive manufacturing REALLY matter? Not bad, but is it worth Tariffing everything under the sun? Not really. Oh by the way, we can and do build Rivians and Tesla's soup to nuts here in the U.S. (except for raw inputs such as Aluminum and Steel) I do want them to be built in the Western Hemisphere and not subject to a single source. IF ANYTHING - I want Mexico and Canada COMPETING for our components and dual sourced.

Now, I am not an economist, but I do work in global Supply Chains and did plenty of automotive network strategy engagements in my career.

My hope then is that Trump looks strong through this, we go through a month or a quarter of pain at worst and get EU, Western Hem and select Asian countries looking to drop monetary barriers to trade. We all win, when they do. Again, the Elon plan.
 
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If trump's strategy is to go big and then both sides drop tariffs - then great. It is Trump magic and negotiating at work.
I think that was the strategy from the get go. I said this weeks ago. Neither Trump nor other countries want a trade war that hurts the entire global economy,,,,,but from the U.S. view, the countries who have been abusing the tariff game needed to be called out, and now they have been. Now it is a matter of resolve to see who blinks first. I think we come out better off and the other countries will eventually bend the knee and get in line knowing it will hurt them worse if they don't. It might be painful domestically for a short while, but the long game is we will be better off at the end of the day when they back off of their tariffs. It is like ripping off a bandaid so the wound will heal better. We will soon see, but the MSM will still whine like a wounded buffalo with their TDS, even if we win, they will spin it some other way. EFF EM.
 
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I think that was the strategy from the get go. I said this weeks ago. Neither Trump nor other countries want a trade war that hurts the entire global economy,,,,,but from the U.S. view, the countries who have been abusing the tariff game needed to be called out, and now they have been. Now it is a matter of resolve to see who blinks first. I think we come out better off and the other countries will eventually bend the knee and get in line knowing it will hurt them worse if they don't. It might be painfull domestically for a short while, but the long game is we will be better off at the end of the day when they back off of their tariffs. It is like ripping off a bandaid so the wound will heal better. We will soon see, but the MSM will still whine like a wounded buffalo with their TDS, even if we win, they will spin it some other way. EFF EM.
China has most of our debt. The dems and RINOs let the commies bully them over that. Trump has turned the tables and is now bullying the Chinese cause if we go bankrupt, they do too.

Watch Bessent's interview with Tucker, Tucker asks him how does this get resolved with China? Bessent said "Well they have more manufacturing than they need, and not enough consumers. We have too many consumers and not enough manufacturing."

Seems Trump is playing hardball and telling Chinese they can either take X cents on the dollar on what US owes them, or US goes bankrupt and China gets nothing. Which all but bankrupts them as well.

I think Trump's larger plan is to effectively wipe out our debt by 2028 and put us back in place as the world's only economic superpower.
 
China has most of our debt. The dems and RINOs let the commies bully them over that. Trump has turned the tables and is now bullying the Chinese cause if we go bankrupt, they do too.

Watch Bessent's interview with Tucker, Tucker asks him how does this get resolved with China? Bessent said "Well they have more manufacturing than they need, and not enough consumers. We have too many consumers and not enough manufacturing."

Seems Trump is playing hardball and telling Chinese they can either take X cents on the dollar on what US owes them, or US goes bankrupt and China gets nothing. Which all but bankrupts them as well.

I think Trump's larger plan is to effectively wipe out our debt by 2028 and put us back in place as the world's only economic superpower.
It's more than just China though. We get tariffed by damned near the entire globe, and those effsticks get their feelings hurt when we threaten them with the same. Eff em. 😂 Leftists are soft as Charmin and they can kiss my hairy ass.
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Bill Ackman of all people - the individual who went nuclear on University of Pennsylvania through the incredible work of Elise Stepanik.

Trump gets a quarter, maybe two. Then if he is doing sustained economic damage, he loses the middle swing voters, who due to three things:

Immigration, Inflation and Identity Politics swung to Trump.

Approaching Bear market this morning. I am here in Seaside. Retirees and near-retirees (I am in my early 50s) are very angry. Most of them voted for Trump in 24.
 
It's more than just China though. We get tariffed by damned near the entire globe, and those effsticks get their feelings hurt when we threaten them with the same. Eff em. 😂 Leftists are soft as Charmin and they can kiss my hairy ass.
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China has a significant amount of our debt, but not all. Japan (surprisingly) is our number one holder, along with the UK (#3).

Pretty interesting chart:

 
I just want ANYONE to explain to me why if tariffs are so hurtful, why is every Nation we trade with CLOBBERING us with tariffs? Why is it only bad if WE reciprocate? Yiu see…YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN THIS. So as a barely HS grad, I make my stance known I FULLY SUPPORT President Trump and think this will lead to unimaginable economic prosperity. Diddy, I kind of turned Yiur thinking on abortion NOT costing Trump the election. I was 100% correct there. Do this HS grad, car salesman go two in a row? Everyone make your beliefs known! I FILLY support this.
 
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