Curious what they will do with this hot potato. I think Roe v Wade said you couldn't prohibit until after the 2nd trimester 24 weeks using some viability type arguments but since then some premature babies survived at 21 weeks in recent years. I think this law is a 15 +weeks ban.
Supreme Court hearing on abortion...
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Needs to go back to states rights. Bad law 50 years ago, and said in so many words, by RBG.
Tough part here, is that I am very "pro-choice" but debate the states right element to it. There are a handful of states (10?) that may want to ban abortions.
Here is another example: (state level) medicare for all. If people in California want to do it and, presumably, pay for it - ok. I think it is a poor idea, but are we really going to exert federal control to prevent them? Even "defund the police". Another terrible idea, but if (in this case) a city wants to do it, for non-federal properties (e.g. airports, court houses, etc.) then so be it.
Here is another example: (state level) medicare for all. If people in California want to do it and, presumably, pay for it - ok. I think it is a poor idea, but are we really going to exert federal control to prevent them? Even "defund the police". Another terrible idea, but if (in this case) a city wants to do it, for non-federal properties (e.g. airports, court houses, etc.) then so be it.
She’s a quota filler and nothing more.
Way to win friends, Sonia. I guess she was absent from school the day they taught tact.
Loved it when Thomas asked the lawyer, where is abortion in the Constitution.
Former Planned Parenthood director takes aim at some of the liberal justices' idiotic statements yesterday, including Sotomayor.
"Justice] Sotomayor actually saying that in the past 50 years we haven’t seen any advancement of medicine in maternal and fetal medicine… These are the same people who want us to follow the science."
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"Justice] Sotomayor actually saying that in the past 50 years we haven’t seen any advancement of medicine in maternal and fetal medicine… These are the same people who want us to follow the science."
Former Planned Parenthood director drags Supreme Court liberals for ‘idiotic’ comments during abortion hearing
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Roe v Wade will be overturned the moment dems think it helps their fundraising more to get it passed into law again versus saving the current law.
No judge should decide what is moral or immoral it should be up to the people to decide not the courts. RvW must be overturned.
True, but fighting abortion is not a constitutional issue it is a moral one.
I do believe they should ban abortions and do not want to live in a state that supports it.
Odder than a catholic supporting abortion?
if I say something offensive I can get banned from this site, however, we won't ban a practice that murders the innocent. What sense does that make?
Extreme cases are outliers, ma'am. Most of these abortions are used like birth control measures.
Just 1% of women obtain an abortion because they became pregnant through rape, and less than 0.5% do so because of incest, according to the Guttmacher Institute.
So, we are allowing the aborting of 98.5% of unwanted pregnancies due to lack of responsibility on the part of the parents who engaged in mutually consensual intimate relations because of 1.5% outliers. That is like banning all cars on the road because 1.5% of them end up in traffic accidents which injure people. You cannot use the extreme outlier to justify the norm. This is precisely why we have 1.5% of Americans who are LGTBQxyz.....dictating terms to the rest of us demanding we act as if a man dressing like a woman is normal. There will always be exceptions. We have to write laws based on the vast majority in these instances. Even in rape or incest, did the child do anything wrong? Why sacrifice one innocent life because of the bad act of another? That is the most un-American thing I can think of.
None, but seems to go against what you said about “let the people decide what’s moral.”
I don't disagree. However, unprotected sex which is not consensual is by definition rape and would be included in the 1% above. That leaves 98.5% of abortions where the man and woman engaged in unprotected intercourse resulting in a pregnancy. If the woman does not want to get pregnant and demands protection, she can say no to intimacy unless the man complies. Once again, the vast, vast majority of abortions are done for birth control after a woman gets pregnant on accident. I do not agree that abortion is morally correct in any instance since it is the killing, in my opinion, of a human life. However, if we limit it to rape, incest, or the health of the mother, those numbers would drop by at least 95 percent. Maybe then both men and women would be more responsible to prevent pregnancy during sex.
No, I think moral compass people should be trusted to vote the right way.
The problem is we seem to have a fundamental disagreement on what constitutes life. I think we all would agree that shooting a 2 year old is morally wrong. However, we seem to view a baby in the womb differently with some treating it as human life and others as nothing more than a collection of cells until out of the birth canal. I don't think that the government should necessarily legislate morality. However, we must all agree on certain rules in order to have a civil society which provides guidelines for behavior. That is the issue. Killing an innocent life is immoral according to pretty much everybody (other than true Darwinian atheists, but that is another issue). We just disagree on how to define life. That is something that the legislature as an elected body of the people should do, not a bunch of judges.
Which is quite the conundrum. Show of hands class, who knows the Margaret Sanger story? I suspect some of our low information voters do, and that's why they've been quiet here. The Dimtard Plantation just lives on and on. Ultimate hypocrites. Those who do know, are laughing with me. 😂
I assume you mean the fact that abortion was advanced by Sanger who was a racist as a means to keep the minority population down...
unfortunately both sides have very dirty laundry we can point to in the past. The question is how can we stay united moving forward past those issues when all anyone in power wants to do is use them as bludgeoning tools to keep us divided as a nation. I don't have any good answers, but the current situation is only getting worse, not better as we devolve into monolithic tribes
Winner! Also one of the founders of Planned Parenthood, staunch eugenics fanatic.
I don’t disagree but do not tell me that the majority of men don’t still rely on the woman to do the “birth control thing” because that’s what happens.
Many men do not want to wear a condom because they think it affects their “experience”. And women who are desperate to keep a man are afraid to insist. These are some of the same people who uh, tend to vote Democratic, by the way. Thus the huge number of aborted babies in inner cities.
And that is a sad fact.
Well to be fair, you ever tried to put one of those things on in less than 10 seconds? Remember, riding a bull for 8 seconds is quite the feat. 😂
I totally agree with you. But take a moment to evaluate the premise of your statement. We are talking about taking a human life with the inconvenience of a woman requiring a man to wear a condom or herself using some type of protection when engaging in a voluntary recreational act. Regardless of who is currently primarily responsible for obtaining protection, the fact of the matter is that irresponsibility on either the man, woman, or both lead to the death of an innocent baby in the womb. I think the parties engaging in the voluntary act should bear ultimate responsibility, man or woman, not the child who gets no say in their survival.
I empathize with the plight of young girls who get pregnant from the act of two people and seem to be the only ones who are left holding the bag. However, that is a failure of society in general and family culture and parenting in specific as to why the men are glorified for their sexual conquests while the women are marginalized and treated as nothing more than a disposable gratification play toy. When you take commitment out as a prerequisite for intimacy, you get unwanted pregnancies. If people would either not have sex before marriage or at least a long-term committed relationship and/or be responsible and use protection, abortions would drop by a factor of 10. As long a culture defines love as a feeling and not a commitment, we will continue to treat each other as nothing more than a means to self gratification which leads to the destruction of personal responsibility and society in general, which is what we are experiencing right now. IMHO
The jokes about condoms just write themselves. Never saw a package that read "ribbed for his pleasure". 😂 Most sexually active females either take the pill or use IUDs or other methods that prevent pregnancies. The truth is however that 90% of the unwanted pregnancies are from ignorance of either party or willful attempts to get out of daddy's house.
Not necessarily true. How many of those young girls don’t even know their Daddy, much less live in his house?
I was adopted in 1954 by the greatest two people to walk on this planet. After I retired I discovered my genetic roots; both my biological parents were deceased but my biological aunt related to me the courage and distress that my biological mother endured so that I was not aborted. I breath and love my family because of her courage. The other irony is that my oldest now delivers babies in a hospital that will not allow elective abortions. Abortions are the killing of a fetus, you may think a woman has that right; but I am here because one brave woman did not!
Talk of God, souls, religious morality, are irrelevant.
All abortion debate comes down to, is whether in our society an autonomous human has a level of autonomy over their body that supersedes the rights of the forming non-autonomous human inside of them they created, that allows for them to end that formation within a given amount of time.
We have a myriad of exceptions for killing that we don’t label “murder”, and the question is whether this one falls as one.
The states rights versus federal seems like a trivial distinction in this matter.
All abortion debate comes down to, is whether in our society an autonomous human has a level of autonomy over their body that supersedes the rights of the forming non-autonomous human inside of them they created, that allows for them to end that formation within a given amount of time.
We have a myriad of exceptions for killing that we don’t label “murder”, and the question is whether this one falls as one.
The states rights versus federal seems like a trivial distinction in this matter.
