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So, why do you really care about recruiting "Stars" and Rankings?

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What is it you really care about when you complain about or cheer the Star rating that comes with a player?

Keep in mind I have no one here in mind and am not saying anyone here thinks a certain way. I am genuinely asking. So, feel free to respond in any manner of your choosing.

Is it that you just like for your team to "win the Internet/ off season" awards and get some national recognition regardless of how genuine those ratings are?

Do you put stock into the Rivals/ ESPN and other ratings groups more than the average D1 position coach judging the talent they need?

Do you want a 5 star if you know the 2 star is better? Or do you want the 2 star, even though you know your team is going to catch hell for looking dumb?

Personally, I believe the Star system is incredibly flawed. Almost meaningless. Kind of like anGolden Glove in MLB (Palmiero won. Golden Glove as a DH one year playing only 29 games in the field- useless).

I mean, if a kid doesn't receive a star rating until he lands a couple offers, that should tell you that the people who watched the film of the player or saw him at the camp/ combine, didn't see what the SEC coach who offered him saw leading the SEC teams to offer him. And then and only then does the player magically get a star rating. Well, what's the point of employing people to do this?

Do you realize how often this happens? A DE or RB's great film has been out there for months and he gets zero publicity then suddenly a coach comes by to see him, watches the film, makes an offer and then more offers happen. All of a sudden, 3 weeks later, that kid is a 3 STAR Did he suddenly get better? No. Still the same kid with all the same tools. That rating company just decided that they would just take the word of Tennessee or UF or NCSt. And all of a sudden, the kid that they thought was a turd three weeks ago, suddenly has a magical three star rating. I mean what kind of formula that they use for that? Nothing.

Star ratings hurt your team, IMO, as well. If you're an assistant coach or coordinator and you're trying to build up your resume, and you know that the 2 Star LB in you area is WAY better than the 4 Star LB, what are you going to do? 8 out of 10 of them are going to take the worse player with the higher ranking just to prop himself up to the people on Twitter and set himself up for his next job as a "great recruiter".

Without admitting it, I think we have a lot of people in Gator Nation who just want to say "We have a top 10 recruiting class" without caring or not who is actually in it. I know a couple of them.
 
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Yep if you want to be a championship team in the SEC you better be getting a lot of 4 and 5 stars. I think all the recent SEC Champs have had good classes prior to their Championship. The Cam Newton Auburn team may have been a little light compared to the others but they were an exception if anything.
 
Yep if you want to be a championship team in the SEC you better be getting a lot of 4 and 5 stars. I think all the recent SEC Champs have had good classes prior to their Championship. The Cam Newton Auburn team may have been a little light compared to the others but they were an exception if anything.
Doesn’t seem too work well for the nolies.

Go Canes!
 
Even looking at the SEC standings themselves and ignoring the quality of the East in recent years the top 4 teams in the SEC usually had some pretty good classes preceding that. Missouri being the notable exception when they won a weak East those couple of years.

Also you saw when teams like Utah and TCU went to real conferences they started losing some games playing decent competition most weeks instead of having only a couple of tough games the whole season.
 
Looking at the exceptions doesn't make it a it a rule.
Overall the teams who are competing at high levels consistently have high ranked classes.

My point is players are often getting their stars and their rankings AFTER their offers, which makes it an inherently faulty system. If me offering a player makes him go from a 1 star to a 3 star then I've helped my own class ranking by default simply by offering someone and making him a "better player" magically.

A lot of those 4 Star players climbed to a 4 star from a 2 star without taking a snap. I've seen it a bunch of times. And it is all due to how much notoriety they are getting. Now that may eventually translate into some good football teams.

Let's face it...if Alabama offers a 2 Star...he's not going to remain a 2 Star for long. Because more schools are going to offer him and before you know it...BOOM...4 Star Player. Now, who rated him 4 Stars? Not the service. Alabama did.
 
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Now, who rated him 4 Stars? Not the service. Alabama did.

Why does that make the rankings invalid? Who do you think knows better who can play, the services or Alabama/Ohio State/Clemson, etc...? Regardless if the rankings end up based on Rivals or Scout.com's assessment, or on what kids get the best offers, they still are fairly reliable predictors of the talent in a recruiting class. That's why fans get excited about them.
 
Why does that make the rankings invalid? Who do you think knows better who can play, the services or Alabama/Ohio State/Clemson, etc...? Regardless if the rankings end up based on Rivals or Scout.com's assessment, or on what kids get the best offers, they still are fairly reliable predictors of the talent in a recruiting class. That's why fans get excited about them.

Invalid? I never said it's invalid. I said it's a faulty system at how they arrive there. And you and I agree with your 2nd statement.
 
they still are fairly reliable predictors of the talent in a recruiting class. That's why fans get excited about them.

They are towards the end when they've all been vetted be all of the schools and coaches. But you have fans getting pissed at their schools when their coaches decide that a 2 star player is better for what they do than the 4 Star that they passed on. There are plenty of those fans who think the services know better than the coaches.
 
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Why does relying on the schools doing the recruiting make the rankings faulty? Comparing offer lists strikes me as a pretty good way to rank recruits.
 
Yep if you want to be a championship team in the SEC you better be getting a lot of 4 and 5 stars. I think all the recent SEC Champs have had good classes prior to their Championship. The Cam Newton Auburn team may have been a little light compared to the others but they were an exception if anything.
Perhaps. I think the condition is a bit broader though. Just be in the top ten most years, and not be Jimbo Fisher, and your team will be in the playoff hunt most years.
 
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There are plenty of those fans who think the services know better than the coaches.

Then those fans are fools. But as to the question in the OP, why do fans get excited about the rankings, it's because they end up being reliable predictors of success. Personally, I don't really care about winning a recruiting national title. If you're in the top 10/top 5 and you bring in numbers where you need it, then I don't think you can ask too much more.
 
The in-season injuries often do more to affect a season outcome, than the preseason recruit class rankings do... o_O

UF"s coaches 1st.
The recruits 'offer list' 2nd.
My own evaluations by looking at their film 3rd.

The recruit service rankings and the media-moron opinions are a distant 4th. :rolleyes:

And their ranking are on athletics only, ignoring the academic and character issuers completely, which the coach and school can't ignore, or at least they'd better not... :cool:
 
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And it makes you wonder even more why Jimbo got so much money from A&M..
 
The rankings are based on the offers, so saying the coaches know more isn't a knock on the rankings themselves. The rankings just reflect those coaches opinions. The more offers a recruit has from a top school, the higher their ranking. If there's a flaw in the system it's in the fact that offers are often unverifiable AND all offers aren't equal. For example Alabama might offer a guy and he's the 3rd option on their board, but the ratings can't account for that they just see the Alabama offer. All offers aren't committable or even priority. A coach might offer you and tell you they have X number of players ahead of you, doesn't mean you really have an offer.
 
An individual star rating is useless but the totality and/or collective star ratings of the entire class DOES mean something. Bama, Ohio st, Clemson and FSU have had the best recruiting classes over tge past 8 yrs or so. Guess who won tge national titles over the last 8 yrs
 
An individual star rating is useless but the totality and/or collective star ratings of the entire class DOES mean something. Bama, Ohio st, Clemson and FSU have had the best recruiting classes over tge past 8 yrs or so. Guess who won tge national titles over the last 8 yrs

So, let's just look into that theory, shall we?

Clemson's last 8 years recruit class rankings:
Dabo Sweeney has been their HC the entire time.

2010 - #27 --- UF #1 - Meyer's last class

2011 - #10 --- UF #11 - Muschamp's 1st
2012 - #20 --- UF #3
2013 - #15 --- UF #3
2014 - #16 --- UF #9 - Muschamp's last class

2015 - #9 ---- UF #21 - McElwain's 1st
2016 - #11 --- UF #12 -- Clemson NC
2017 - #16 --- UF #11 - Mc's last class

8 Year Totals:
Clemson 124/8 = 15.5 Average (not even a Top 15)
Florida 71/8 = 8.9 Average o_O (a Top 9)
I don't know for sure, but it sure seems to me that your theory has a bit of a hole in it... :rolleyes:

Last 4 Year Totals: (current teams)
Clemson 52/4 = 13.00 ----- Florida 53/4 = 13.25

2018 - #16 Clemson --- UF #30 - Mullen's 1st (still climbing back)

PS - Edit -- Those class rankings are from 247's composite rankings.
 
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Think about star rankings like a stock market index - the S and P 500. If the S/P goes up that's generally good - of course not all companies went up that day. But generally over time about 80% of a stock's increase in price is correlated to the index.

It matters.
 
Recruiting: In order of importance.

1. Academically Eligible, and stays that way.

2. Good citizen, stays out of trouble (not suspended).

3. Good Athlete,
that fits with the system and team makeup.

4. Coach-able, makes steady progress at getting better.

5. Individual stars and/or class ranking....
 
Recruiting: In order of importance.

1. Academically Eligible, and stays that way.

2. Good citizen, stays out of trouble (not suspended).

5. Individual stars and/or class ranking

All hard to predict correctly.

1 and 2 could be related if they come from a place where athletes are looked after and advanced due to their ability.
 
All hard to predict correctly.

1 and 2 could be related if they come from a place where athletes are looked after and advanced due to their ability.

Pre-dic-tions.... Well Duh.... :rolleyes:

And the best recruiters even talk to the lunch ladies, among the many obscure others... :cool:
 
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