sadgator hates the word "JUCO"
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Yea Reggie Nelson was gonna be my guess. And it depends on the type of juco. Were they players recruited by big time schools who had bad grades? Or were they guys who weren't recruited and then suddenly blew up in juco playing against guys not good enough to get scholarship offers anywhere? I'm down with taking jucos that fit in the first group, otherwise I'd rather pass. A lot of those guys look better than they are because of the completion they play. If they weren't good enough to get decent offers coming out of HS I doubt they got THAT much better in a year or two. Those types always flame out.
I don't have a problem with taking a JUCO here and there. They can play immediately and at least provide some depth at a position of need. Certainly you don't want to bring in a bunch of JUCOs year after year, etc
Cam Newton was also a 5-star Mr. Everything who could have named his school coming out. Meaning he'd fall into that category of highly rated recruited who ended up in juco because of bad grades or off the field issues. Not the same as guys who get recruited by no one, go and dominate a bunch of guys not good enough to get scholarships, and then are suddenly a hot prospect a year or two later. You look at a guy like John Franklin who is now a 4-star QB when he was a lowly rated recruit, like 4th string at FSU, and moved to receiver. A year later he's a 4-star QB? He suddenly get that good or is he dominating way lesser comp and looking better than he is?
More times than not you're better going with the HS recruit. Juco guys have to make the same adjustment to competition and a lot of times by the time they get 'it' their eligibility is up.
More times than not you're better going with the HS recruit. Juco guys have to make the same adjustment to competition and a lot of times by the time they get 'it' their eligibility is up.
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Chad Kelly... Bo Wallace for Ole Miss both beat Bama but like Oozie says they were highly ranked coming out of HS.
Reynaldo Hill worked out. Carl Moore was servicable. Carl wasn't by any means awesome but he was better than any WR as of late minus Calloway.
Reynaldo Hill worked out. Carl Moore was servicable. Carl wasn't by any means awesome but he was better than any WR as of late minus Calloway.
Cordarelle Patterson, Randy Gregory, Zadarius Smith, Trenton Brown, Curtis Artis Payne, Jarran Reed, DJ Pettway. These are just some recent JUCOs that have done well.
Again I have no problem with signing a few JUCOs here and there. They can provide some immediate depth at a position of need and maybe they turn out to be a starter and a really good player. Of course you shouldn't try and build your program on JUCOs.
Again I have no problem with signing a few JUCOs here and there. They can provide some immediate depth at a position of need and maybe they turn out to be a starter and a really good player. Of course you shouldn't try and build your program on JUCOs.
Pretty sure we can discount anyone who transferred from D1 to JUCO and back to D1, or anyone who signed with D1 but had to go to JUCO because they didn't qualify. Referring to players who had to go to JUCO out of HS because they were not good enough, then developed/excelled at JUCO and earned a D1 offer.
I'm gonna say that in recent memory, Jeremy Mincey is the best one to fit that bill.
I'm gonna say that in recent memory, Jeremy Mincey is the best one to fit that bill.
All these guys were JUCO players as well:
Corey Dillon, Cortez Kennedy, Aaron Rodgers, Josh Heupel, Mike Rozier, OJ Simpson, Roger Staubauch, LaGarette Blount, Morgan Breslin, Jason Pierre Paul, Lavonte David,
Corey Dillon, Cortez Kennedy, Aaron Rodgers, Josh Heupel, Mike Rozier, OJ Simpson, Roger Staubauch, LaGarette Blount, Morgan Breslin, Jason Pierre Paul, Lavonte David,
Paco how many of those guys you listed had good D-1 offers and had to go juco because of other issues? Lavonte David for example was committed to USF and couldn't qualify. Same with OJ Simpson, bad grades caused him to not be able to qualify. The only one on that list that had zero big time offers and blossomed in juco was Aaron Rodgers who I believe had 1 D-1 offer.
All juco guys aren't the same. There's a difference between guys who were highly recruited and had major D-1 ability and couldn't qualify or had off field issues and then guys who had no offers and were 'late bloomers.' The latter don't work out that often, which is what a lot of juco guys are. As long as they're the former it's fine for the most part. But people see them as a quick fix and it rarely ever works out that way.
All juco guys aren't the same. There's a difference between guys who were highly recruited and had major D-1 ability and couldn't qualify or had off field issues and then guys who had no offers and were 'late bloomers.' The latter don't work out that often, which is what a lot of juco guys are. As long as they're the former it's fine for the most part. But people see them as a quick fix and it rarely ever works out that way.
Naw, JuCo's nor walk-ons EVER work out as quality players. 
Didn't anyone ever explain the 'STARS vs scrubs' concept to ya???
However, I like the TEAM concept better, where everyone has a real chance to perform.
It's kinda like the 'which student/athletes get a degree from UF?'
Everyone that wants one, and then WORKS to get it.
Didn't anyone ever explain the 'STARS vs scrubs' concept to ya???
However, I like the TEAM concept better, where everyone has a real chance to perform.
It's kinda like the 'which student/athletes get a degree from UF?'
Everyone that wants one, and then WORKS to get it.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -- straw brained
There is no 'rule' to be had, just individual performance, which is not determined by anything but the individuals own desire and work ethic. i.e. David Eckstein....
There is no 'rule' to be had, just individual performance, which is not determined by anything but the individuals own desire and work ethic. i.e. David Eckstein....
I completely agree with Ooz about avoiding JUCO guys like the plague if the reasons that initially caused that journey didn't have anything to do with grades.
If you aren't talented enough to play D-1 ball outta high school, that probably won't change much from the JUCO competition they face. ijs
If you aren't talented enough to play D-1 ball outta high school, that probably won't change much from the JUCO competition they face. ijs
Right. All juco guys aren't the same, depends how they got there. Seems simple enough. Be careful though Insta will be along shortly to accuse you of believing juco guys never work out or that we shouldn't take them.
It is silly to worry about who does and does not pan out. It's all a crap shoot.
One could go through the list of all players we signed from the high school level over the years. More than enough didn't pan out.
We sign two...maybe three JUCO's a year at most on an average. If that.
One could go through the list of all players we signed from the high school level over the years. More than enough didn't pan out.
We sign two...maybe three JUCO's a year at most on an average. If that.
Most people graduate from HS when they are 17. At that age, some guys look like they are 14, while others look like they are 25. Some people are legitimate late-bloomers. You are inevitably at a disadvantage if you have the body of a 15 year old and you are playing against guys that look like Dick Butkus.
ESPN JUCO Top 50:
4. #1 DE Jonathan Kongbo 6-5 255 **** - de-commit from Tenn, McElwain offered.
15. #1 RB Mark Thompson 6-2 230 4.38/40 **** - EE, Signed LOI
22. #6 WR Dre Massey 5-11 185 4.34/40 **** - EE, Signed LOI
-- #1 K Eddy Pineiro 6-1 180 *** - N.Miami Bch. - EE, Signed LOI
He has kicked a 77 yard FG in practice. After arriving at UF, he's already kicked a 62 yarder inside the new IPF.
I'm pretty happy with the 3 JuCo's that Mc's gotten so far, and I'd be happy to add that DE to the class too.
4. #1 DE Jonathan Kongbo 6-5 255 **** - de-commit from Tenn, McElwain offered.
15. #1 RB Mark Thompson 6-2 230 4.38/40 **** - EE, Signed LOI
22. #6 WR Dre Massey 5-11 185 4.34/40 **** - EE, Signed LOI
-- #1 K Eddy Pineiro 6-1 180 *** - N.Miami Bch. - EE, Signed LOI
He has kicked a 77 yard FG in practice. After arriving at UF, he's already kicked a 62 yarder inside the new IPF.
I'm pretty happy with the 3 JuCo's that Mc's gotten so far, and I'd be happy to add that DE to the class too.
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I think this is probably more applicable to linemen than skill guys. In that case yea strength, sometimes height, and big time weight gain is unpredictable. But if you're a skill guy and can't even get decent FCS offers after HS, I highly doubt 1-2 years of juco legit turned you into to a stud. More likely it's the bad comp making you look better than you are. I think people really underestimate how bad most of those juco leagues are. We had kids who didn't play on my HS team who got invitations to play at places like Coffeyville.
Is there any concern of the JUCO players we have committed or the other one or twonwe are recruiting?
Dre Massey has documented speed. Yes I know fast 40 or 100M times don't always mean great football players. But speed isn't coached. It's natural. He had poor grades coming out of high school was the reason he wasn't highly recruited. He has since improved in that area is is 100% eligible for NCAA play. I'm not the least bit worried about his transition.
The RB is big and he too is very fast. I haven't seen much on his high school credibility but I'm assuming he at worst will provide depth to the RB position. We lacked any RB depth this season. We had Taylor and two true freshmen who looked descent but also had a few freshmen struggles. After that we have another soon to be true freshman coming in. As this year showed true frosh RB's can't always be counted on. I do think Cronkite will be a good SEC RB in the next few years. Scarlett will be pretty good. We still need the depth.
Kickers are kickers. Kicking long field goals consistently in any environment is the same no matter the stage. The good Lord knows UF is in desperate need of a good kicker. It's been wayyy to long.
Dre Massey has documented speed. Yes I know fast 40 or 100M times don't always mean great football players. But speed isn't coached. It's natural. He had poor grades coming out of high school was the reason he wasn't highly recruited. He has since improved in that area is is 100% eligible for NCAA play. I'm not the least bit worried about his transition.
The RB is big and he too is very fast. I haven't seen much on his high school credibility but I'm assuming he at worst will provide depth to the RB position. We lacked any RB depth this season. We had Taylor and two true freshmen who looked descent but also had a few freshmen struggles. After that we have another soon to be true freshman coming in. As this year showed true frosh RB's can't always be counted on. I do think Cronkite will be a good SEC RB in the next few years. Scarlett will be pretty good. We still need the depth.
Kickers are kickers. Kicking long field goals consistently in any environment is the same no matter the stage. The good Lord knows UF is in desperate need of a good kicker. It's been wayyy to long.
So they're all gonna be studs because this one time it happened somewhere else. Isn't that how you think? Kinda like how a walk-on contributed at UF one time so now all walk-ons need to be considered when putting together nonsensical depth charts. Right?
^^^^Lol...so true. Insta is always optimistic about our talent.
Admittedly, I'm more on the realist/pessimistic side of thought.
Admittedly, I'm more on the realist/pessimistic side of thought.
That's understandable. He isn't the only RB we are recruiting though. If he doesn't pan out hopefully the Jordan's and the high school recruit will step up.
Honestly, I see it as a red flag if a football recruit's grades are so poor that he can't make the cut, even after the huge handicap that schools typically allow for prize football recruits.
I know football isn't Rocket Science, but a < 2.5 GPA suggests either poor discipline or a genuine mental limitation.
I know football isn't Rocket Science, but a < 2.5 GPA suggests either poor discipline or a genuine mental limitation.
So all these guys are "red flags"?
Corey Dillon, Cortez Kennedy, Aaron Rodgers, Josh Heupel, Mike Rozier, OJ Simpson, Roger Staubauch, LaGarette Blount, Morgan Breslin, Jason Pierre Paul, Lavonte David,
But it is a green flag when they can go 4 semesters of basic college courses, maintain a eligible GPA, and graduate with an associate degree.
I bet if one did research...they would see that the JUCO's that went on to sign major D1 scholarships rarely had the academic issues later in college.
^^^^Lol...so true. Insta is always optimistic about our talent.
Admittedly, I'm more on the realist/pessimistic side of thought.
Each to his own happy/unhappy attitude, I always say....
Yep, total failure FS Reggie 'Freakin' Nelson is just another perfect example of what you're claiming here....
--- Doh!
Actually, that's a good point that I hadn't considered. If they finished their AA, is demonstrates that they can be a decent student.
Read the story of Dexter Manley. The man was illiterate. Football does not take a lot of smarts at most positions. Especially on defense
