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[jfegaly]

I know it didn’t come from an ER doctor or a pharmacist, but hopefully this guy’s qualifications as a virologist are enough for him to speak on the matter.

Former CDC director Redfield explains why he believes COVID-19 emerged from lab, WHO 'compromised'

EXCLUSIVE: Robert Redfield, the former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, explained the reasoning behind his opinion that a lab leak was the most likely explanation for the COVID-19 pandemic’s origins.

www.foxnews.com

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Same guy that said last fall that we had to reopen schools, that suicides were spiking.

@G8trDad3 thinks suicides went DOWN last year. So does @Nolec

 

[BCSpell]

I know it didn’t come from an ER doctor or a pharmacist, but hopefully this guy’s qualifications as a virologist are enough for him to speak on the matter.

Former CDC director Redfield explains why he believes COVID-19 emerged from lab, WHO 'compromised'

EXCLUSIVE: Robert Redfield, the former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, explained the reasoning behind his opinion that a lab leak was the most likely explanation for the COVID-19 pandemic’s origins.

www.foxnews.com

Political Cartoon of the Day: Dependence Day

www.foxnews.com

 

[G8trDad3]

Same guy that said last fall that we had to reopen schools, that suicides were spiking.

@G8trDad3 thinks suicides went DOWN last year. So does @Nolec

Show me a reputable article from after January,2021 to support your often mentioned claim that there were more suicides in 2020 than 2021. I have plenty showing suicide numbers were less in 2021.

 

[jfegaly]

Show me a reputable article from after January,2021 to support your often mentioned claim that there were more suicides in 2020 than 2021. I have plenty showing suicide numbers were less in 2021.

Umm. We have not made it through 2021

 

[fatman76]

Show me a reputable article from after January,2021 to support your often mentioned claim that there were more suicides in 2020 than 2021. I have plenty showing suicide numbers were less in 2021.

We're only halfway into 2021, I don't know how anyone could find the stats for that.

All I can find is suicides were down 5.6% from 2019 to 2020, but calls to crisis hotlines were up 891%.

If you view calls to crisis hotlines as a potential leading indicator, it's plausible that 2021 isn't going to be pretty.

Everything else I could find stopped at 2019.

CDC: Suicides decreased in 2020

Experts say there's still work to be done.

www.axios.com

 

[jfegaly]

Good news. Suicides are now to be classified covid deaths

That being said, mental health issues are through the roof. One would have to believe suicide rate increases will follow.

 

[fsumc]

ER visits for suicide attempts among girls rose 51% during COVID-19 pandemic, CDC says

ER visits for suspected suicide attempts among girls rose during the COVID-19 pandemic, a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report said.

www.usatoday.com

 

[fsumc]

Emergency Department Visits for Suspected Suicide Attempts ...

During the COVID-19 pandemic, emergency department (ED) visits ..

www.cdc.gov

 

[fatman76]

Good news. Suicides are now to be classified covid deaths

That being said, mental health issues are through the roof. One would have to believe suicide rate increases will follow.

I was gonna say something about that but couldn’t find “evidence”.

Bit if a guy who died in a motorcycle accident could be classified as a Covid death why couldn’t someone who killed themself?

 

[G8trDad3]

Umm. We have not made it through 2021

Fixed it:

Show me a reputable article from after January, 2021 to support your often mentioned claim that there were more suicides in 2020 than 2019. I have plenty showing suicide numbers were less in 2020.

 

[jfegaly]

Fixed it:

Show me a reputable article from after January, 2021 to support your often mentioned claim that there were more suicides in 2020 than 2019. I have plenty showing suicide numbers were less in 2020.

You’re smart enough to know that something like suicide, from mental health issues due to pandemic mitigation strategies will have a delayed impact. Go look at the increase in mental health issues, and call increases to suicide hotlines. That data is easy to find

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Show me a reputable article from after January,2021 to support your often mentioned claim that there were more suicides in 2020 than 2021. I have plenty showing suicide numbers were less in 2021.

See? He even puts politics before critical thinking.

What are the main contributing factors to suicide? As a claimed medical doctor, you should know this.

Unfortunately, the lockdowns last year exacerbated almost every single factor.

Yet you, a claimed medical doctor, need to be told what happened.

This would be like me saying "The average American put fewer miles on their automobile in 2020 vs 2019'.

And you say 'Oh yeah???? Prove it."

I wouldn't let you treat @BSC911 for the hiccups.

 

[G8trDad3]

See? He even puts politics before critical thinking.

What are the main contributing factors to suicide? As a claimed medical doctor, you should know this.

Unfortunately, the lockdowns last year exacerbated almost every single factor.

Yet you, a claimed medical doctor, need to be told what happened.

This would be like me saying "The average American put fewer miles on their automobile in 2020 vs 2019'.

And you say 'Oh yeah???? Prove it."

I wouldn't let you treat @BSC911 for the hiccups.

So: more suicides or less suicides?

 

[G8trDad3]

So: more suicides or less suicides?

No answer. Who has put politics before critical thinking. You assumed it was true because you heard it on OAN and wanted it to be true. It fit your narrative. You know what happens when you ASSume!

 

[BillCutting4585]

Good news. Suicides are now to be classified covid deaths

That being said, mental health issues are through the roof. One would have to believe suicide rate increases will follow.

That’s one way to hide the numbers

 

[jfegaly]

Emergency Department Visits for Suspected Suicide Attempts ...

During the COVID-19 pandemic, emergency department (ED) visits ..

www.cdc.gov

That pesky cdc again.

 

[jfegaly]

No answer. Who has put politics before critical thinking. You assumed it was true because you heard it on OAN and wanted it to be true. It fit your narrative. You know what happens when you ASSume!

Are you talking to yourself?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

No answer. Who has put politics before critical thinking. You assumed it was true because you heard it on OAN and wanted it to be true. It fit your narrative. You know what happens when you ASSume!

You have, pay attention.

When you exacerbate the conditions that contribute to an event occurring, critical thinking tells us you increase the number of times that event occurs.

When you reduce or eliminate the conditions that contribute to an event occurring, critical thinking tells us you decrease the number of times that event occurs.

Therefore, suicides increased in 2020, and miles driven decreased.

"Yeah but I got a link that says otherwise!"

You also have a brain. Use it.

 

[G8trDad3]

You have, pay attention.

When you exacerbate the conditions that contribute to an event occurring, critical thinking tells us you increase the number of times that event occurs.

When you reduce or eliminate the conditions that contribute to an event occurring, critical thinking tells us you decrease the number of times that event occurs.

Therefore, suicides increased in 2020, and miles driven decreased.

"Yeah but I got a link that says otherwise!"

You also have a brain. Use it.

Typical extremist response. Who needs facts when you are a critical thinker?! Have a wonderful day!

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Typical extremist response. Who needs facts when you are a critical thinker?! Have a wonderful day!

Here's more 'extremist' statements for you:

A record number of US businesses went bankrupt in 2020

A record number of Americans lost their life savings in 2020


Do you think those are 'extreme' statements to make? They aren't. We all know that there MUST have been a massive spike in businesses going bankrupt, and in Americans losing their life savings.

Just like those of us who put critical thinking over politics know that unfortunately, suicides must have gone up in 2020.

All of this is due to the lockdown. NONE of it is being covered by the MSM.

Ask yourself why.

"Because it didn't happen!"

Ok, sheeple. You are why they will feel like they can do it again. And they will.

 

[jfegaly]

So: more suicides or less suicides?

More Mental health issues. That likely to lead to more suicides or less?

 

[NavigatorII]

Show me a reputable article from after January,2021 to support your often mentioned claim that there were more suicides in 2020 than 2021. I have plenty showing suicide numbers were less in 2021.

WTF are you jibberishing about? Day drinking isn't an AMA sponsored activity is it?
2020 suicides and watches spiked from 2019. You know, the year of the pandemic, lockdowns, and financial hardships?

Here.......from your comrades at WaPo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/04/mental-health-coronavirus/

 

[fsumc]

WTF are you jibberishing about? Day drinking isn't an AMA sponsored activity is it?
2020 suicides and watches spiked from 2019. You know, the year of the pandemic, lockdowns, and financial hardships?

Here.......from your comrades at WaPo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/04/mental-health-coronavirus/

How dare you!

 

[G8trDad3]

WTF are you jibberishing about? Day drinking isn't an AMA sponsored activity is it?
2020 suicides and watches spiked from 2019. You know, the year of the pandemic, lockdowns, and financial hardships?

Here.......from your comrades at WaPo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/04/mental-health-coronavirus/

Your source is dated May, 2020. They made predictions that are now proven wrong. Are you interested in current, actual facts? Show me an article printed after January, 2021 stating there were more suicides in 2020 than 2019.

 

[fsumc]

Emergency Department Visits for Suspected Suicide Attempts ...

During the COVID-19 pandemic, emergency department (ED) visits ..

www.cdc.gov

 

[NavigatorII]

Your source is dated May, 2020. They made predictions that are now proven wrong. Are you interested in current, actual facts? Show me an article printed after January, 2021 stating there were more suicides in 2020 than 2019.

How about articles published from the CDC in August, 2020? 🤣

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6932a1.htm

 

[G8trDad3]

How about articles published from the CDC in August, 2020? 🤣

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6932a1.htm

I’m, did you read that? Does not state there were more suicides. How about a more recent article?

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

 

[fsumc]

Emergency Department Visits for Suspected Suicide Attempts ...

During the COVID-19 pandemic, emergency department (ED) visits ..

www.cdc.gov

 

[jfegaly]

I’m, did you read that? Does not state there were more suicides. How about a more recent article?

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

You’re being obtuse at this point. Playing politics

 

[G8trDad3]

You’re being obtuse at this point. Playing politics

Which is more “political:” To make up a fact and claim it is real or to present a true fact backed up by data?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

More Mental health issues. That likely to lead to more suicides or less?

He knows the answer. That's why he ignored you.

A doctor putting politics over health.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Which is more “political:” To make up a fact and claim it is real or to present a true fact backed up by data?

You believe the sources that support your political stance. You were shown multiple sources that showed that suicides either did or likely fell, and you ignored them or attacked them.

Again, a critical thinker doesn't have to be told that suicides increased during the lockdown. It's just common sense.

You know they did too, but you are playing politics.

I'll ask again, how many patients over the last year did you discourage from taking HCQ because you didn't like Trump?

 

[jfegaly]

Which is more “political:” To make up a fact and claim it is real or to present a true fact backed up by data?

Answer the question. Massive increases in mental health issues. In your opinion, will that lead to more suicides or less?

 

[NavigatorII]

Answer the question. Massive increases in mental health issues. In your opinion, will that lead to more suicides or less?

There is also something else we haven't considered. More locked down crazy people committing more homicides last year.

 

[G8trDad3]

Answer the question. Massive increases in mental health issues. In your opinion, will that lead to more suicides or less?

You know my answer. Everyone ASSumed there would be more suicides but that was not the case. Show me proof otherwise. PROOF, not ”well, it probably makes some sense because maybe there was more stress so there had to be more suicides.”

 

[fsumc]

Emergency Department Visits for Suspected Suicide Attempts ...

During the COVID-19 pandemic, emergency department (ED) visits ..

www.cdc.gov

 

[jfegaly]

You know my answer. Everyone ASSumed there would be more suicides but that was not the case. Show me proof otherwise. PROOF, not ”well, it probably makes some sense because maybe there was more stress so there had to be more suicides.”

Good grief. That wasn’t the question. You must be the type who plants a seed and then an hr later says “wtf it’s not growing”. It takes time to manifest with suicide. Do you think increased mental issues will lead to more suicides? Yes or no.

 

[NavigatorII]

Emergency Department Visits for Suspected Suicide Attempts ...

During the COVID-19 pandemic, emergency department (ED) visits ..

www.cdc.gov

In other words, roughly double the previous year among adolescents.

Among adolescents aged 12–17 years, the number of weekly ED visits for suspected suicide attempts decreased during spring 2020 compared with that during 2019 (Figure 1) (Table). ED visits for suspected suicide attempts subsequently increased for both sexes. Among adolescents aged 12–17 years, mean weekly number of ED visits for suspected suicide attempts were 22.3% higher during summer 2020 and 39.1% higher during winter 2021 than during the corresponding periods in 2019, with a more pronounced increase among females. During winter 2021, ED visits for suspected suicide attempts were 50.6% higher among females compared with the same period in 2019; among males, such ED visits increased 3.7%. Among adolescents aged 12–17 years, the rate of ED visits for suspected suicide attempts also increased as the pandemic progressed (Supplementary Figure 1, https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/106695). Compared with the rate during the corresponding period in 2019, the rate of ED visits for suspected suicide attempts was 2.4 times as high during spring 2020, 1.7 times as high during summer 2020, and 2.1 times as high during winter 2021 (Table). This increase was driven largely by suspected suicide attempt visits among females.

 

[G8trDad3]

There is also something else we haven't considered. More locked down crazy people committing more homicides last year.

Yes, there were more homicides in 2020. There were less traffic deaths and less non-violent crime.
My argument has been concerning suicides. Some on this board have falsely claimed there were more suicides in order to promote their political agenda. I simply presented the facts but they do not accept that.