Recruiting Panic??
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Show me where I criticized our players?
That's all irrelevant, anyway. You're here in an attempt to dispute claims for optimism by rivals on their own board in a thread not pertaining to your team. It's childish.
Show me where I "attacked" your coach. Perhaps you're being a little overly sensitive.
Your participation began with and has been consistently critical of his recruiting, for example, and downplayed his success last year. In general, you've been here to exclusively rebut the opinions of positive Gator posters. You never answered my initial question - why are you here participating in a thread about Gator recruiting on a Gator message board?
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Because it's a public board and I feel like it.
https://florida.forums.rivals.com/forums/alligator-alley.8/
With regards to your first sentence, the only thing I have said about McElwain's recruiting is this: "I actually think he's recruited the offensive side of the ball very well. The defensive recruiting is a head scratcher for sure though. After this year the defensive studs in Muschamp's 2012 and 2013 classes will be gone and the defensive talent in the 2015 and 2016 classes was certainly not comparable to those 2 classes." That's not exactly outlandish. The majority of my posts in this thread have been about Muschamp's recruiting which, by any objective measure, was very good.
With regards to your 2nd sentence: the whole back and forth started when Paco proclaimed that 7 of your opponents last year had more talent than UF. We all know what he was doing there. There's being positive and then there's just making stuff up.
I have no strong opinion either way on how McElwain will do going forward. I could see that going either way. If you want to be positive, no one is stopping you.
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247 Sports actually makes a tool for exactly this kind of debate that takes into account transfers, recruiting rankings, experience of the roster, etc to give a high-level look at overall team talent and the five teams on our schedule that had more talent using that metric were FSU, LSU, UGA, Bama, and Michigan. Next year, another five opponents will come in with more talent than UF, including UT, LSU, UGA, FSU, and (if we make it) the SEC W champ. It is precisely this talent deficit that we need to reverse that makes the skeptics uneasy about Coach Mac; he doesn't seem capable of recruiting with any of the aforementioned schools and winning more than he loses. If he goes into every season with a talent deficit to 5 teams on our schedule, he is, quite clearly, not going to last here.
http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite
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Cool link. Thanks for posting. Michigan's 2015 ranking is kind of shocking. Their '14 and '15 classes were both outside of the Top 30 on Rivals. I guess this takes into account their '12 and '13 classes being upperclassmen though.
So all that being said, how do you feel about his recruiting job after he got hired? That class was in shambles and we managed to pull of a miracle in my opinion.
You have to say that landing CeCe and Ivey was pretty good for such a short time on the job but not any more impressive than Kirby keeping Eason imo. That is such a hard year to judge because he saved it by grabbing a few big gets but honestly that had long been pinned as the year the Gators should have had the #1 class by a long ways. I blame Foley. First he kept Chump a year too long and also he let Chump take a job and begin recruiting against Florida immediately. Folley cost us what should have been our best class in a decade plus.
But as a whole his defensive recruiting is not a whole lot better than Chumps offensive recruiting. We are truly in trouble going forward imo.
lol eason butt cut comb over ass was never not going to UGA. He looks exactly like every matthew Stafford that's ever gone there. You can literally see how kids look and predict where they are going when it comes to these pretty boys. It's always been so funny how all Bama and UGA players just look like they would go there. Brodie Croyles and mccarrons forever and ever along with Murray and Stafford at UGA. and with FSU, well it's obvious ahead of time for other reasons. You can see a Darnell dockett recruit from miles going to FSU
"All evaluations were based solely off each player's Rivals.com highlight film".
Really? You are gonna offer some pablum based off EDITED highlight film as proof of greatness?
Dang you are desperate, Instant.
You know it takes two seasons and in many instances 3 before one can get a true evaluation of all the individuals in a Recruiting Class in the SEC. One Redshirt season for most to give them a year in the S&C program, a year to learn the playbook and all the particulars foir their respective positions as well as to try to get up to the speed of SEC athletes if a team is lucky enough not to be Tennessee which out of NECESSITY had to play 39 TRUE Freshmen in the last two seasons because of crappy recruiting and evaluation by the previous staff and due to injury.
Nobody plays True Freshmen unless they they absolutely have to or those individuals are blessed with the intelligence to go along with superior natural ability. Even then, it's still rare cases.
This ain't your first Gator Round-up and snake hunt.You know that you will be lucky if 40% of any class will ever contribute meaningful minutes
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"All evaluations were based solely off each player's Rivals.com highlight film".
Really? You are gonna offer some pablum based off EDITED highlight film as proof of greatness?
Dang you are desperate, Instant.
You know it takes two seasons and in many instances 3 before one can get a true evaluation of all the individuals in a Recruiting Class in the SEC. One Redshirt season for most to give them a year in the S&C program, a year to learn the playbook and all the particulars foir their respective positions as well as to try to get up to the speed of SEC athletes if a team is lucky enough not to be Tennessee which out of NECESSITY had to play 39 TRUE Freshmen in the last two seasons because of crappy recruiting and evaluation by the previous staff and due to injury.
Nobody plays True Freshmen unless they they absolutely have to or those individuals are blessed with the intelligence to go along with superior natural ability. Even then, it's still rare cases.
This ain't your first Gator Round-up and snake hunt.You know that you will be lucky if 40% of any class will ever contribute meaningful minutes
So you are evidently partying like it's 1982.
The GOOD players leave after 3 years. THREE. So you can't afford to redshirt them, and they DO make an immediate impact. Or they would, if your team hadn't sucked ass for the past 20 years.
No, The GOOD players don't leave after 3 years. The GREAT ones do.
And usually, those are not the one's RED SHIRTED as Freshmen.
But do try again. Dozens of your Middle School classmates are pulling for you
"All evaluations were based solely off each player's Rivals.com highlight film".
Really? You are gonna offer some pablum based off EDITED highlight film as proof of greatness?
Dang you are desperate, Instant.
You know it takes two seasons and in many instances 3 before one can get a true evaluation of all the individuals in a Recruiting Class in the SEC. One Redshirt season for most to give them a year in the S&C program, a year to learn the playbook and all the particulars foir their respective positions as well as to try to get up to the speed of SEC athletes if a team is lucky enough not to be Tennessee which out of NECESSITY had to play 39 TRUE Freshmen in the last two seasons because of crappy recruiting and evaluation by the previous staff and due to injury.
Nobody plays True Freshmen unless they they absolutely have to or those individuals are blessed with the intelligence to go along with superior natural ability. Even then, it's still rare cases.
This ain't your first Gator Round-up and snake hunt.You know that you will be lucky if 40% of any class will ever contribute meaningful minutes
Pablum is right. Panic is right. Current state of Lizzerd recruiting under the swamp donkey AKA. Mr.Ed
*Team rankings ( can't wait for my little buddy Insta-hen) to try and evaluate this?
2017 Rivals # 34
2017 24/7 # 29
2016 rivals # 13
2015 rivals # # 21
reason for panic?
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He did about as well as Butch Jones did with 3x the level of talent available, not to mention for 2 years most recruiting analysts were pointing to the 2015 UF class as what should have been a "once in a decade" class.
McElewain did a phenomenal job with the 2015 class. He only had 2 months to recruit with an entirely brand new coaching staff except for Summers. The class was a disaster when he took over.
We have a higher standard for the word GREAT. Probably because our teams have so much more talent than yours.
You are quite amusing, I must say. A Vol trying to act superior to a Gator? It is to laugh.
How does the world perceive the typical Nole recruit? We recruit the same kids, after all.
Exactly my point. The guy who pretends to be a college coach was suggesting FSU recruits are recognized as nefarious. So I posed the rhetorical question.
I'm so glad to finally see you admit to that FACT concerning ole Moon-Roids.
I knew that long ago when ole Pettie Pie stayed around for his Sr year.
And with Wuerfful gone, newbee QB Doug Johnson still out-played that college chump.
chomp
2015 - 59.8% at dink&dunk junk 6.8 ypa for 9 TD's to 17 Ints and a pitiful 67.9 QBR.
Good thing that the Bronco D and the backup QB were able to 'give' Pettie-Pie a 2nd SB, so that they could finally get rid of him. He was easy to replace too, they just brought in the Butt-Fumble to get it done. I guess they figured that if Moon-Roid was good enough, along with their D, then most any QB would be good enough too....
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Pablum is right. Panic is right. Current state of Lizzerd recruiting under the swamp donkey AKA. Mr.Ed
*Team rankings ( can't wait for my little buddy Insta-hen) to try and evaluate this?
2017 Rivals # 34
2017 24/7 # 29
2016 rivals # 13
2015 rivals # # 21
reason for panic?
With a projected max of 21 open slots, UF will take a small class in 2017.
The total of verbal commits greatly affects class rankings, so UF is not likely to be a Top 5, but Top 10 is likely imo.
Right now, all 4 of UF's verbal commits are rated as ESPN Top 300's.
Rivals has UF with 3****, and a 5.7 *** WR that's 6-3 200 from Miami, (under-rated imo).
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Everyone ranked higher than UF, for the moment, has taken more verbal commits.
Only 5 of the total verbal commit recruits are 5 Stars, none for Choke-la-homa so far.
And we will judge this class just like we have in the past, on NSD after the NLI arrive.
Mc's first 2 classes were required to fill up the gaping holes in the roster that musclecramp left us.
Now Mc-staff will sharpen their focus on getting top quality to continue to build up their team.
I'm fine with where they are this early in the process. See you (or not likely) on NSD.
For example:
2016
13. Tx - A loser season was still good enough to beat the Chokers. Worried?
14. UF - 1*****, 9****, average 3.36 - 14 months and vs SEC competition.
15. tennis-sea
16. aTm
17. Baylor
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20. Choke-la-homa - 1*****, 8****, average 3.37 - 19 years vs what's left of the Big12/10.
Good ole Slob Swoops showing his Choker recruiting prowress on NSD yet again....
lol a post straight from warchant
lol pretending, because that would help me somehow.
Perhaps...but, based on what we have seen to date, I would be willing to wager the 2017 UF class finishes behind UGa, LSU, Bama and FSU....again. The disparity in numbers and average player rating will be quite large. UF Will probably finish in the neighborhood of Tennessee again.
And, we know how much Paco loves My-jami....the spin will be amusing when Richt finishes with a better class than UF. How many times has that happened in modern history?
Perhaps UF hasn't kept up with the FSUcks criminole style of recruiting for the last 20-30 years.
So when do you suppose that those decades of better recruiting will finally get you the all time W/L record over no talent UF?
UF also always gets out-recruited by nearly every SEC team, and the proof is that UF can never win an SECe or SEC-C, much less any NC's.
Your school is better academically, (minus that Deion Rule thingy).
Your overall W/L record is better, (except for the slight difference in conferences).
Your team has won many more NC's than UF has, (using nole-math anyway).
And while our fans constantly flood the threads over on snore-rant, the phootball genius criminole fans never come over here and act like house flies (eat-chit & bother people).
Now, if they could just get over so badly needing validation from the Gator fans, then they'd be virtually perfect!
So when do you suppose that those decades of better recruiting will finally get you the all time W/L record over no talent UF?
UF also always gets out-recruited by nearly every SEC team, and the proof is that UF can never win an SECe or SEC-C, much less any NC's.
Your school is better academically, (minus that Deion Rule thingy).
Your overall W/L record is better, (except for the slight difference in conferences).
Your team has won many more NC's than UF has, (using nole-math anyway).
And while our fans constantly flood the threads over on snore-rant, the phootball genius criminole fans never come over here and act like house flies (eat-chit & bother people).
Now, if they could just get over so badly needing validation from the Gator fans, then they'd be virtually perfect!
He looks like yet another great (Mc-staff) 'under the radar' pickup to me.
#22 Ath/QB-DT Kadarius Toney 6-0 180 **** 80 - Prichard, AL - (possible EE)
Scout ****, Rivals **
iG - Best chance at UF? Wildcat, Slot WR, Jet RB.
Also a bit 'under the radar' to begin with;
Rivals just moved QB-PP Jake Allen up to 5 Star status. He won the inaugural Rivals QB Challenge by throwing his way to the Accurate Arm Award. It was an event that saw 320 QB's compete across 4 Regional stops and then the final round. From Jake; "It's different because you don't have receivers with you - you have to throw to stationary targets. You can't mess up and you don't have a receiver there to bail you out.
#22 Ath/QB-DT Kadarius Toney 6-0 180 **** 80 - Prichard, AL - (possible EE)
Scout ****, Rivals **
iG - Best chance at UF? Wildcat, Slot WR, Jet RB.
Also a bit 'under the radar' to begin with;
Rivals just moved QB-PP Jake Allen up to 5 Star status. He won the inaugural Rivals QB Challenge by throwing his way to the Accurate Arm Award. It was an event that saw 320 QB's compete across 4 Regional stops and then the final round. From Jake; "It's different because you don't have receivers with you - you have to throw to stationary targets. You can't mess up and you don't have a receiver there to bail you out.
