Recruiting Panic??
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You can give him as long as you want. Its not there, he will have to outcoach Saban, Butch, Hugh F, Kirby, Jimbo, time and again because they amass more talent. There exists a growing talent gap and if you look at early projections from next year it looks like the state of Fla will not be Gator recruiting territoy again. Hell, we have Allen and Grimes is likely to go join Urb in the armpit of Ohio. There is something that isn't selling kids, even in the wake of a overachieving, albeit flukey, first year.
"I'm willing to give him a break and call the NSD Feb 2017 class his first 'real' recruiting class, with his staff finally solid and complete, and his Gator recruiting contacts now fully in play. Haters will obviously disagree, which is fine with me, opinions vary." (give um a 2nd chance to see and understand, IF they want to that is,,, even as unlikely as that appears to be.)
So far for the 2017 recruiting class we have 3 highly ranked prospects all from the state of Florida that are committed right now to UF.
Oh my GAWD!
UF doesn't already have the #1 ranked 2017 class, so they are surely DOOMED. Quick, fire that incompetent HBC and his entire staff,,, so the AD can start over with whomever can come right in a get the approval of some recruiting service on how good his future players are.... (keeRIST)
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The value of recruit class rankings from 2013's #3 ranked class.
MLB Alex Anzalone ***** Sr - UA-AA (flipped from ND - injuries have plagued him)
OLBws Matt Rolin **** rsJr - UA AA (flipped from SCa - injuries have plagued him)
* IF HEALTHY, they probably live up to their rankings, but that's a big IF in the SEC.
OLBss Daniel McMillian **** Sr - Army-AA recruited by Bama - 2015 Backup LB and ST's standout.
LB Jarrad Davis *** - (always need some backup depth and/or scout teamers...)
2015 Jr Season - 98 Tkls, 11 TFL, 3.5 Sacks - AP-AA
There’s no doubting the ability of Davis, who Florida coach Jim McElwain called “arguably one of the best linebackers coming back in the country.” He could have turned pro after last (Jr) season, but returned with 1st-Rnd. ambitions and SEC Championship goals. -- Randy Shannon, Davis’ position coach, said the LB has skills comparable to former Miami and NFL LB's of Jon Beason, Ray Lewis, and Jonathan Vilma.
IF -- IF I say, they can all stay healthy through-out the season, UF will have one of the best LB groups in the Nation for 2016. This is also why I don't worry so much when the coaches take a 3 star, as long as THEY have faith in his ability to grow and perform once he gets here.
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While not yet a commit, this recent visit 4 star OT has UF #1 on his Top 10 List:
#35 OT Kai-Leon Herbert 6-5 275 ****- Fort Lauderdale
UF doesn't already have the #1 ranked 2017 class, so they are surely DOOMED. Quick, fire that incompetent HBC and his entire staff,,, so the AD can start over with whomever can come right in a get the approval of some recruiting service on how good his future players are.... (keeRIST)
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The value of recruit class rankings from 2013's #3 ranked class.
MLB Alex Anzalone ***** Sr - UA-AA (flipped from ND - injuries have plagued him)
OLBws Matt Rolin **** rsJr - UA AA (flipped from SCa - injuries have plagued him)
* IF HEALTHY, they probably live up to their rankings, but that's a big IF in the SEC.
OLBss Daniel McMillian **** Sr - Army-AA recruited by Bama - 2015 Backup LB and ST's standout.
LB Jarrad Davis *** - (always need some backup depth and/or scout teamers...)
2015 Jr Season - 98 Tkls, 11 TFL, 3.5 Sacks - AP-AA
There’s no doubting the ability of Davis, who Florida coach Jim McElwain called “arguably one of the best linebackers coming back in the country.” He could have turned pro after last (Jr) season, but returned with 1st-Rnd. ambitions and SEC Championship goals. -- Randy Shannon, Davis’ position coach, said the LB has skills comparable to former Miami and NFL LB's of Jon Beason, Ray Lewis, and Jonathan Vilma.
IF -- IF I say, they can all stay healthy through-out the season, UF will have one of the best LB groups in the Nation for 2016. This is also why I don't worry so much when the coaches take a 3 star, as long as THEY have faith in his ability to grow and perform once he gets here.
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While not yet a commit, this recent visit 4 star OT has UF #1 on his Top 10 List:
#35 OT Kai-Leon Herbert 6-5 275 ****- Fort Lauderdale
I think the larger cause for concern for some is that FSU , for ex., currently has twice that number from the state of Florida.
As of right now UF only has 13 scholly's available for the 2017 recruiting class. That number will increase but I don't expect UF to take as many early commitments as they did last year. Right now UF has 3 highly regarded commitments all from the state.
Oh my GAWD!
UF doesn't already have the #1 ranked 2017 class, so they are surely DOOMED. Quick, fire that incompetent HBC and his entire staff,,, so the AD can start over with whomever can come right in a get the approval of some recruiting service on how good his future players are.... (keeRIST)
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The value of recruit class rankings from 2013's #3 ranked class.
MLB Alex Anzalone ***** Sr - UA-AA (flipped from ND - injuries have plagued him)
OLBws Matt Rolin **** rsJr - UA AA (flipped from SCa - injuries have plagued him)
* IF HEALTHY, they probably live up to their rankings, but that's a big IF in the SEC.
OLBss Daniel McMillian **** Sr - Army-AA recruited by Bama - 2015 Backup LB and ST's standout.
LB Jarrad Davis *** - (always need some backup depth and/or scout teamers...)
2015 Jr Season - 98 Tkls, 11 TFL, 3.5 Sacks - AP-AA
There’s no doubting the ability of Davis, who Florida coach Jim McElwain called “arguably one of the best linebackers coming back in the country.” He could have turned pro after last (Jr) season, but returned with 1st-Rnd. ambitions and SEC Championship goals. -- Randy Shannon, Davis’ position coach, said the LB has skills comparable to former Miami and NFL LB's of Jon Beason, Ray Lewis, and Jonathan Vilma.
IF -- IF I say, they can all stay healthy through-out the season, UF will have one of the best LB groups in the Nation for 2016. This is also why I don't worry so much when the coaches take a 3 star, as long as THEY have faith in his ability to grow and perform once he gets here.
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While not yet a commit, this recent visit 4 star OT has UF #1 on his Top 10 List:
#35 OT Kai-Leon Herbert 6-5 275 ****- Fort Lauderdale
Woah a sensible post
And FSU has 3 higher ranked than UF's highest rank. OSU has two higher and a heavy favorite to land Grimes. We nees to contend for and land some of the top 10-20 players in Fla to have a chance. Its really not that complicated.
I haven't lost any confidence whatsoever in Mac and the staff, but it is somewhat puzzling as to why recruits don't seem to be jumping on the bandwagon as of yet.
We haven't had a commitment for the 2017 class since July of 2015 and we are again behind our rivals. We need this class to be a top-5 consensus class and we need a few commits after the Spring game to get the ball rolling. In the end, we will have room for at least 20 kids in this class so "small class size' is not an excuse. Not having anyone commit for 2017 in almost 8 months is nothing to blow off.
I agree with this. Youd have to be a pretty bad salesman not to be able to sell free sex with supermodels.
This is an outsider view. This is kind of Chicken or the Egg issue. When Fisher took over for Bowden in December 2009, FSU's 2010 recruiting class was #38 and our record at that point was 6-6. If you are going to get better you need better players, at the same time it is a tough sell to get the elite recruits when the program has been struggling. Somehow Fisher convinced Lamarcus Joyner to commit to FSU and be convinced that Fisher was going to turn things around. Once Joyner committed then other elite recruits started committing and the program got progressively better as more recruiting classes got stacked on top of each other.
With UF, I think this all started under Urban Meyer. Meyer got UF two National Championships, but he got out just in time and left the UF program broken in pieces. There wasn't much talent once Tebow and the guys that played with Tebow left. And a lot of the players that stayed around had entitlement issues and didn't want to have to work hard. Muschamp was really in a lose lose situation and he certainly wasn't going to be the guy to fix it.
McElwane's issue is how does he convince players that are considering the Alabama's and FSU's and other programs that UF competes with that they should go to Florida instead and help turn things around? That is essentially what Fisher had to do when he took over at FSU. It's tough and like I said it's a chicken or the egg situation. Does a program get better because they get better players? Or does a program get better players because the program gets better? What comes first in that equation? I think it is the coach convincing players that could go to other elite schools that turning a program around is more appealing and selling the idea of early playing time.
With UF, I think this all started under Urban Meyer. Meyer got UF two National Championships, but he got out just in time and left the UF program broken in pieces. There wasn't much talent once Tebow and the guys that played with Tebow left. And a lot of the players that stayed around had entitlement issues and didn't want to have to work hard. Muschamp was really in a lose lose situation and he certainly wasn't going to be the guy to fix it.
McElwane's issue is how does he convince players that are considering the Alabama's and FSU's and other programs that UF competes with that they should go to Florida instead and help turn things around? That is essentially what Fisher had to do when he took over at FSU. It's tough and like I said it's a chicken or the egg situation. Does a program get better because they get better players? Or does a program get better players because the program gets better? What comes first in that equation? I think it is the coach convincing players that could go to other elite schools that turning a program around is more appealing and selling the idea of early playing time.
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Last year at about this time it was McElwain has too many commitments. Now it is he doesn't have enough commitments. Some of you just can't seem to make up your mind.
247 Composite Gator Recruit Class Rankings and Gators to the NFL draft:
2016 - #13 Class - 9 to the NFL Combine, 3 are again possible in the 1st round.
2015 - #21 Class - 8 (1-1-3-3-4-4-7-7)
2014 - #9 Class - 4 (1-4-5-6)
2013 - #3 Class - 8 (1-1-2-3-4-5-5-6)
2012 - #4 Class - 2 (4-5)
2011 - #11 Class - 4 (1-2-5-7)
2010 - #1 Class - 9 (1-1-1-2-2-2-3-4-5)
2009 - #7 Class - 3 (1-4-5)
The #7 class in 2009 produced 8 NFL draft picks in 2013, with 2 1st rounders.
The #11 class in 2011 produced 8 NFL draft picks in 2015, with 2 1st rounders.
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The #1 class in 2010 produced 4 NFL draft picks in 2014, with 1 in the 1st round.
(jus-sayin)
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They haven't even played the Spring game yet, it's 10 months before NSD, but the doom & gloomers are already out in force...
2016 - #13 Class - 9 to the NFL Combine, 3 are again possible in the 1st round.
2015 - #21 Class - 8 (1-1-3-3-4-4-7-7)
2014 - #9 Class - 4 (1-4-5-6)
2013 - #3 Class - 8 (1-1-2-3-4-5-5-6)
2012 - #4 Class - 2 (4-5)
2011 - #11 Class - 4 (1-2-5-7)
2010 - #1 Class - 9 (1-1-1-2-2-2-3-4-5)
2009 - #7 Class - 3 (1-4-5)
The #7 class in 2009 produced 8 NFL draft picks in 2013, with 2 1st rounders.
The #11 class in 2011 produced 8 NFL draft picks in 2015, with 2 1st rounders.
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The #1 class in 2010 produced 4 NFL draft picks in 2014, with 1 in the 1st round.
(jus-sayin)
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They haven't even played the Spring game yet, it's 10 months before NSD, but the doom & gloomers are already out in force...
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Nice Mc-start with his recruiting Paco.
What did former NFL QB and SB-35 winner Trent Dilfer, (now the Elite 11 HBC) tell QB Austin Appleby 6-4 235 when he asked about maybe being a Grad-xfer to UF?
Dilfer said; "Man, go for it. It’s an unbelievable opportunity. You're going to get the best coaching in the country with coach Mc and coach Nuss, and then Coach Frye." (not a bad endorsement imo - iG)
Gee, I wonder why Trent didn't tell him to go see Slob Swoops at Choke-la-homa instead.....
chomp
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When I look back at the team's critical position needs in musclecramp's last season, and then I look at UF's current roster with the recruits, flips, and incoming x-fers that Mc-Staff has accomplished, I'm truly thrilled with the job that's getting done.
When the coming NSD finally gets here, then I'll let you all know how his recruiting is going....
No. It was that we were filling up the class with reaches, the number of commitments was irrelevant to the argument. But you knew that.
The various recruit ranking services are good for off-season topics of conversation, but they are certainly not the last word on how any HS recruit will pan-out in college, even when you use a composite site like 247, and much less when using rivals and scout.
Personally, I like ESPN the best, but that's just my own bias and/or prejudice and I certainly don't always agree with them either...
WR A.Callaway and LB J.Davis were both 3 star recruits, (the 3 star list is long btw), but let's all just ignore that...
I'll trust our Gator coaches opinions and choices over the twits at ANY of the recruiting services, all day long!
PS
The QB that Spurrier was most impressed with last week was a 2-3 star and a HS backup.
Personally, I like ESPN the best, but that's just my own bias and/or prejudice and I certainly don't always agree with them either...
WR A.Callaway and LB J.Davis were both 3 star recruits, (the 3 star list is long btw), but let's all just ignore that...
I'll trust our Gator coaches opinions and choices over the twits at ANY of the recruiting services, all day long!
PS
The QB that Spurrier was most impressed with last week was a 2-3 star and a HS backup.
The various recruit ranking services are good for off-season topics of conversation, but they are certainly not the last word on how any HS recruit will pan-out in college, even when you use a composite site like 247, and much less when using rivals and scout.
Personally, I like ESPN the best, but that's just my own bias and/or prejudice and I certainly don't always agree with them either...
WR A.Callaway and LB J.Davis were both 3 star recruits, (the 3 star list is long btw), but let's all just ignore that...
I'll trust our Gator coaches opinions and choices over the twits at ANY of the recruiting services, all day long!
PS
The QB that Spurrier was most impressed with last week was a 2-3 star and a HS backup.
Well that makes me feel better after all the auper star QBs he brought to USCe.
You base this on one recruiting year and one year as a head coach?
My goodness.
That seems a bit overly pessimistic.
And projections foe the upcoming recruiting class. Talent is a must to compete at the highest level
Projections for the upcoming recuiting class. In April?
My goodness. Bless your little heart.
Well that makes me feel better after all the auper star QBs he brought to USCe.
SOS is still the ONLY Heisman QB Winner, to EVER coach another Heisman QB Winner.
Keeping in mind that Wuerffel was only a 4 star coming out of HS.
And no matter what level of QB he was able to bring in to SCa, let me know when any other SCa coach takes the Gamecocks to 3 consecutive 11 win seasons.....
If you can't reel in top 5 classes year after year you won't be an elite program, period. You can have the occasion Cinderella year, but it's the same mix of elite teams that tend to be in the mix for the NC or elite bowls. Whomever gets the top talent each are the ones who are constantly in the mix. Unless Coach Mac can pull in top 5 classes from here on out, he's just another average coach that won't be here long. You're only as good as the talent you have to work with.
Strongly disagree. Top 5 every single year? You can win a national title with consistent top 10 recruiting classes. The difference between the #1 rexruiting class and the #10 recruiting class is very small
Totally agree with this but would add that Bama has proven that there's more to the NC than simply recruiting. Avoiding injuries, favorable scheduling, lucky vs unlucky breaks, and staff consistency have a meaningful factor as well.
One of the best Nole comments are I've seen in a long time.
Stick around, you aren't so bad.
This is actually a pretty good analysis...we have to wait and see, the egg hasn't hatched yet
Our situation is actually really weird. We have been down really for only about 4 years. Won a title in 09', Went 12-1 in 10', 6-6 in 11', 11-2 in 12', then 4-8 in 13', 7-5 in 14', and 10-4 last year. So really only three 'average' years.
Its no doubt more difficult to sell a program that's been down, but rankings actually don't correlate with team records that much. Recruits are most concerned with 1. Playing Time 2. Location 3. NFL chances. And we have all three in abundance. Muschamp's classes were very unbalanced but in terms of actual NFL talent, they were stacked. I don't know if it's JUST a Mac problem, but something does seem to be missing. Even at positions where we were offering tons of PT, and are still offering tons of PT, recruits weren't/aren't biting. I can't buy the 'we've been down' line of thinking because as I showed above we haven't really been that down. And teams that sucked for as much as a decade like UT, FSU when Fisher took over, Miami, Ole Miss, etc. are just killing it on the recruiting trail.
I do think the point about Fisher landing a guy like Joyner is legitimate though. I think it may have actually been James Wilder though. Fisher landed him and the perception of FSU's program changed. Same happened with Meyer and Tebow. We haven't been able to land that one signature player yet that everybody wants to follow. Maybe it would have been Eason last year? Idk. But we might need that to get the perception about us being on the way back to change.
Its no doubt more difficult to sell a program that's been down, but rankings actually don't correlate with team records that much. Recruits are most concerned with 1. Playing Time 2. Location 3. NFL chances. And we have all three in abundance. Muschamp's classes were very unbalanced but in terms of actual NFL talent, they were stacked. I don't know if it's JUST a Mac problem, but something does seem to be missing. Even at positions where we were offering tons of PT, and are still offering tons of PT, recruits weren't/aren't biting. I can't buy the 'we've been down' line of thinking because as I showed above we haven't really been that down. And teams that sucked for as much as a decade like UT, FSU when Fisher took over, Miami, Ole Miss, etc. are just killing it on the recruiting trail.
I do think the point about Fisher landing a guy like Joyner is legitimate though. I think it may have actually been James Wilder though. Fisher landed him and the perception of FSU's program changed. Same happened with Meyer and Tebow. We haven't been able to land that one signature player yet that everybody wants to follow. Maybe it would have been Eason last year? Idk. But we might need that to get the perception about us being on the way back to change.
The Old and the New:
Slot WR/RB Brandon Powell 5-9 184 4.38/40 Jr
Slot WR/RB Dre Massey 5-9 183 4.32/40 Jr (JuCo xfer)
WR Ahmad Fulwood 6-4 211 Sr
WR Kalif Jackson 6-4 215 rsFr
WR C.J. Worton 6-0 194 Jr
WR Josh Hammond 6-1 184 Fr EE
WR Alvin Bailey 5-11 186 rsJr
WR Freddie Swain 6-0 180 Fr EE
WR Chris Thompson 6-0 170 Sr
WR Ryan Sousa 6-0 190 rsSo
WR Antonio Callaway 5-11 195 So ??? (suspended for Spring)
WR Tyrie Cleveland 6-3 180 Fr (arrives this summer)
WR Rick Wells 6-0 200 Fr (arrives this summer)
Under the Dark-Horse heading is:
Track/WR Grant Holloway 6-2 190 4.32/40 Fr (he's on a track ship)
I look at the offensive positions groups, (QB-WR-RB-TE-OL) where they were in musclecramps last season, and where they are now after Mc's first 2 recruiting seasons, and I'm pretty darn happy and impressed. What the various recruit ranking services 'think' about his recruiting is not relevant to the job that he's done and is doing imoho.
Also, his 'balanced' O to D recruiting is very good, where WM's never was.
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The xfer-in QB's are the 'Even-Stevens' this year: #12 Luke Del Rio & #14 Austin Appleby.
However, the 2 Fr EE's are NOT the 'Odd Men Out:' #11 Kyle Trask & #13 Feliepi' Franks.
It's a stiff competition so far, and may the best QB win out by September....
No matter who the starter is, the Gator's will have great quality & depth for a change!
Slot WR/RB Brandon Powell 5-9 184 4.38/40 Jr
Slot WR/RB Dre Massey 5-9 183 4.32/40 Jr (JuCo xfer)
WR Ahmad Fulwood 6-4 211 Sr
WR Kalif Jackson 6-4 215 rsFr
WR C.J. Worton 6-0 194 Jr
WR Josh Hammond 6-1 184 Fr EE
WR Alvin Bailey 5-11 186 rsJr
WR Freddie Swain 6-0 180 Fr EE
WR Chris Thompson 6-0 170 Sr
WR Ryan Sousa 6-0 190 rsSo
WR Antonio Callaway 5-11 195 So ??? (suspended for Spring)
WR Tyrie Cleveland 6-3 180 Fr (arrives this summer)
WR Rick Wells 6-0 200 Fr (arrives this summer)
Under the Dark-Horse heading is:
Track/WR Grant Holloway 6-2 190 4.32/40 Fr (he's on a track ship)
I look at the offensive positions groups, (QB-WR-RB-TE-OL) where they were in musclecramps last season, and where they are now after Mc's first 2 recruiting seasons, and I'm pretty darn happy and impressed. What the various recruit ranking services 'think' about his recruiting is not relevant to the job that he's done and is doing imoho.
Also, his 'balanced' O to D recruiting is very good, where WM's never was.
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The xfer-in QB's are the 'Even-Stevens' this year: #12 Luke Del Rio & #14 Austin Appleby.
However, the 2 Fr EE's are NOT the 'Odd Men Out:' #11 Kyle Trask & #13 Feliepi' Franks.
It's a stiff competition so far, and may the best QB win out by September....
No matter who the starter is, the Gator's will have great quality & depth for a change!
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You're a little off. You won the title in 08. In 09 you lost to Bama, 10 was Meyer's last year weren't you 8-5? Then Muschamp. The perception is you haven't been really good since Meyer's first retirement. Which is pretty true.
