have I defended? You made a serious accusation. Now you'll have your chance to back it up.
Ray, which convicted murderer cop
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Quote it when it happens so I can see it too. 😂
I have a feeling he will read this, and pretend he never saw it. EVERY lefty is a chicken **** at heart
Bueller? Bueller? Can I get a quote yet? 😂 Gay Ray likely has put a team of resources on Google frantically scouring the internet today for a Hail Mary!
On to the next lie...
Ray, when did I say that Herschel would win, that Kari would win and that Donald won?
The first two are HUGE swings and misses (see complete lies). The last one you'll have to spin where I said...
"I think the election was stolen but without proof that it was, it doesn't matter."
Why do you lie so much? If you have to lie to support your position, should you? I say no...what say you?
Ray, when did I say that Herschel would win, that Kari would win and that Donald won?
The first two are HUGE swings and misses (see complete lies). The last one you'll have to spin where I said...
"I think the election was stolen but without proof that it was, it doesn't matter."
Why do you lie so much? If you have to lie to support your position, should you? I say no...what say you?
Bro............the magic wand awaits you. It's bliss. 😂 Nobody needs to subject themselves to the insane. 😂
WTF is this nonsense?
The guy who says the prosecution was overcharged, the case was politically decided, rejects the evidentiary findings of science in the case, and ultimately disrespects the jury process by saying they don't understand Minnesota law...
...isn't defending the cop convicted of Murder 2, 3, and 2nd degree manslaughter?
If that isn't defending the criminal cop...what is it?
You're making some rather pithy proclamations in this post. Hopefully I can help.
My point is included within the very link you shared. Not even all of the prosecutions witnesses could agree on a very important point...
Baker did not include a lack of oxygen, or asphyxia, as a cause of Floyd's death.
Baker's findings were at odds with those of other prosecution expert witnesses who were explicit in their assessments that Floyd died from asphyxia.
And the defense also put on witness expert testimony that refuted the prosecutions witness.
Defense Medical Expert: Floyd's Manner Of Death 'Undetermined,' Not 'Homicide'
Dr. David Fowler disputed the conclusion by the Hennepin County medical examiner that "homicide" was the manner of George Floyd's death. The defense witness said the manner was "undetermined."www.npr.org
Given everything you know, there's no chance that reasonable doubt on Murder 2 is reasonable??? Really?
I can think of one prosecution related to this
I say you believe in the Stop The Steal conspiracy which means you believe election was stolen from donald trump
You didn't say "it doesn't matter"...you agreed that it was stolen from trump
And as usual Barney talks out of both sides of his mouth where he also says he doesn't necessarily believe in the Stop The Steal conspiracy
That's his opinion. Based on my examination of Minnesota statute I completely concur on Murder in the second and I'll explain why at the end of the post. But we're Leo s not lawyers.
The case was absolutely political, in that the jury had an enormous amount of pressure to convict regardless of the evidence presented. See the Rodney King verdict as to why.
He didn't. He agreed with the findings of a credentialed defense expert, who testified under oath even if the cause of death was a heart attack caused by underlying arrhythmia, if Chauvin had quit kneeling on him after 5 minutes and medical care had been administered Floyd more than likely would have survived.
Again that's his opinion as a Leo. That's not disrespect to the jury that's saying based on his understanding of the law they didn't follow it. I agree and I'll outline why at the end of the post.
If he was defending Chauvin's actions he would have started with saying he didn't do anything wrong, not quibbling about the charges.
Chauvin shouldn't have been a cop at all based on his presence but not direct involvement with the death of an unarmed man earlier in his career.
In my completely not humble opinion:
Dr. Fowler was sketchy AF, retired forensics doctor or not.
This is Minnesota statute chapter 609 for 2022.
609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
Subdivision 1.Intentional murder; drive-by shootings.
Whoever does either of the following is guilty of murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being with intent to effect the death of that person or another, but without premeditation; or
(2) causes the death of a human being while committing or attempting to commit a drive-by shooting in violation of section 609.66, subdivision 1e, under circumstances other than those described in section 609.185, paragraph (a), clause (3).
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That technique used on Floyd was department approved for some insane reason. Therefore Chauvin had no reason to believe that it would kill Floyd. There's no proof that he decided to kill Floyd at that moment. Floyd's death did not occur during a drive by shooting. So there goes subsection 1.
Subd. 2.Unintentional murders.
Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or
(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.
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Other than the act that caused Floyd's death, there was no other felony committed by Chauvin by statute, nor did Floyd have an order of protection (restraining order) against Chauvin. There goes subsection 2.
So, Chauvin was overcharged and the jury didn't understand Minnesota law.
So no, not defending Chauvin.
Without taking ray ray off Ignore, safe to assume he got busted lying? Again? An endorsement from @kalimgoodman puts it over the top, I think.
I think you had already made the case that Barney Fife was defending Chauvin but obviously Barney likes to keep on lying years after the fact LOL
I do remember disagreeing with his stance on that. Good cops should want bad cops prosecuted. Ill stay out of calling him barney Fife though.
Receipts that inconveniently stated that I thought he was guilty. Yes...super impressive.
If someone calls you a dirty liar and I say that we have no proof that you suffer from poor hygiene, am I defending you?
😂
And I didn't want him prosecuted? Are you sure about that kalim?
Maybe just read his "receipts"...never mind the dozens of other posts from me on the subject where I plainly stated that he should be convicted that Ray the liar didn't post. Yep...even in his "receipts" I say he's guilty.
LOL...it took him almost 23 hours to respond and the posts he cherry picked still include me saying that he's guilty. 🤤😂
It is when he was convicted on Murder 2 and you continue to lie about the evidence, the charges, and the decision
Still fighting arguments you lost from 2 years ago? 🤣
Holy crap...why am I debating with someone so ridiculous?
You're a liar and you should spend more of your energy remembering to not swallow your own oversized tongue.
Here are my receipts...without your edits. I plainly stated SEVERAL times that he should be convicted of murder...at one point I even say Murder 2 based on recent Minnesota case law.
This is not a defense of Chauvin and anyone who says so is obviously a liar...looking at you Ray. And kalim, you're flirting that line.
Did you two just skip over my post to glad hand each other or are neither of you going to admit you were wrong about the jury?
Thanks for making me research dry ass criminal code for nothing, dicks.
Thanks for making me research dry ass criminal code for nothing, dicks.
I liked the post.
Not sure what you mean by "wrong about the jury."
Based on recent case law, that I believe was upheld by Minnesota's Supreme Court, I agree with Murder 2.
As the statutes are written, and I'm absolutely NOT a legal scholar, his crime fits Murder 3 better imo.
Of course you know that the above statements are in no way a defense of Chauvin...because you aren't freaking brain dead like at least two people on this board are. As I said above, and I'll repeat it now, Chauvin is an arsehole who stained my profession through his reckless behavior. I'm glad he's in prison.
LOL...I typed this April 4th, 2021...
"As much as it pains me, if the jury doesn't see the evidence to convict, bring on the riots.
The damage the riots would cause would be the lesser of two of evils as compared to justice perverted."
In case you're retarded (looking at you Ray), I stated that riots would have been at least somewhat justified if Chauvin had been acquitted.
And Ray says I'm defending the guy...and kalim agrees? Is this real life? 😂🤤😳 EAD....both of you.
"As much as it pains me, if the jury doesn't see the evidence to convict, bring on the riots.
The damage the riots would cause would be the lesser of two of evils as compared to justice perverted."
In case you're retarded (looking at you Ray), I stated that riots would have been at least somewhat justified if Chauvin had been acquitted.
And Ray says I'm defending the guy...and kalim agrees? Is this real life? 😂🤤😳 EAD....both of you.
Based on the knee, which was a felony assault, which caused death making it Murder 2?
Maybe. That usually means something like someone dies in the commission of a robbery but perhaps that's the interpretation.
The problem with that, imho (again, not a legal scholar) is that the knee itself wasn't proven to be the cause of death IIRC. My personal opinion is that it was certainly a contributing factor...but I don't recall that being proven in his case.
If I'm right, and that's a big IF, then the knee wouldn't have been a felony assault...rather a simple assault which isn't a felony in Minnesota.
I never said that I agree. I just said I remember me and you going back and forth about Chauvin, I also gave him credit for not backing down like some thought he would. Right or wrong, I can respect that. I respect you are standing on your opinions as well.
I've got no dog in the fight but this I will say, the world is a better place with neither of them on the streets today.
We've got a short in the system. I don't think it was murder two because the knee on the neck was a department approved technique. If you look at subsection 1 Chauvin had to know that could kill him and did it anyways.
Incidentally I was taught when restraining a suspect in the face down, prone position, assuming you are on the left, you place your left leg with your left calf against the upper arm and your right shin diagonally across thE back with your knee centered between the shoulder blades. That way you can use your weight to control the entire upper torso without using your hands and you aren't anywhere near the neck.
Striking someone in the head or neck intentionally without legal justification is lethal force in Florida.
Also, check out murder 2 statutes for Florida and Alabama as compared to Minnesota and see if anything jumps out at you.
As a humorous aside, you think if you put Ray and Ghost on ignore at the same time, the board disappears?
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I'm sure you've encountered the individual who could still do a push-up with 4 grown-ass dudes on his back. Saddle up b1tches, we're going for a ride. 😂
Intent...nice catch.
Also, and this is somewhat trivial, but Alabama doesn't have Murder 2. Well, we don't call it that would probably be a better way of describing it.
Dumbing down the language, it's murder, manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide.
You touched on something here that's very relevant imo.
Lethal force is obviously justified in certain circumstances. There's this belief that "you can't do that" attached to certain acts. That's untrue...there are just certain acts that you must be legally justified to carry out.
An example relevant to this case, if a person REASONABLY believes that he/she must place a knee on someone's neck to protect or save the life of another, including one's self, that act is obviously justified. If that belief isn't reasonable, it is not.
Obviously it was not reasonable for Chauvin.
I left that out because I'm talking to you but I'll edit for accuracy.
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