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Poopy Joe💩 Wants To Outlaw "Ghost Guns"

The thing about that is, strictly speaking on the AR15 platform, is if one can get away initially all they have to do is change out the firing pin. In doing that it removes the “bite mark” analogy from the equation.
Same with a Glock. All of mine have skeletonized Aluminum strikers and it took me all of 30 Seconds to swap them out.
 
DNA makes sense. But a good defense attorney will get casings thrown out based on some randm scratch marks. Ive never looked at any of the primer strikes under a microscope from any of my guns but most striker fired weapons leave the same damn mark.

I notice you still have to have the gun.

They look very similar to the naked eye but apparently very different under a microscope. They also use some radio frequency thing but don't make me lie and act like I understand it.

You definitely would need the gun for comparison.
 
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I don’t really have a problem with serializing stripped lowers for AR’s or stripped frames for like a 1911 but that’s about as far as it should go.
I don’t want the slide/upper/barrel/trigger (assembly)/hand guard, etc., to be serialized.
When Sig went to their “modular” firearm system to win the military contract they only serialized the fire control unit. In the eyes of the ATF that’s the only part of the weapon that’s considered the gun and needs to be shipped to an FFL.
You can buy different grip modules, different length barrels, different length slides, etc., freely and have them shipped to the house.

I just ordered a stripped lower for an AR build and it had to be shipped to the FFL, I certainly don’t want to have to have the remainder of the parts be shipped to the FFL.

What angers me though is that my son, who is active duty Marine and 18, can be issued any rifle/machine gun/pistol the Marine Corp sees fit and be trained on how to handle/use them (which is better than any private civilian gun class, IMO) but still cannot legally purchase a hand gun or handgun ammo.
And he can only legally purchase a long gun (rifle/shotgun) in Florida due to having his military ID. If he wasn’t in the military he would not be able to purchase those either.
And don’t get me started on his “inability” to legally purchase ANY ammunition.

Agree on all accounts.

The restrictions on AR barrel lengths is stupid as well. You can have less than 16" but only with a tax stamp. That's ridiculous.

As LE, I can use a 12" or 14" on duty but I still have to have the stamp to own one. My department has to buy the stamp too ftr. Same gun with a different butt stock is considered a pistol and it's fine. Ridiculous.
 
A Glock striker is cast from a mold. So is an ar-15 firing pin. Not a forensics guy but I'm thinking the teeth analogy falls short.
Me either but I do have a masters in materials engineering degree (from UF actually although I concentrated on polymers).
There's 2 things. First the size and shape of the primer strike might help identify the make or possibly the model (doesn't matter in this case since he left it). Unless they all get these from a 3rd party. Second, metal on metal strikes will cause small scratches over time. If a gun is recovered (say by warrant search) the lab bay be able to recreate the pattern on similar ammunition. I wouldn't think this would work for every case but may help in some.
 
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Me either but I do have a masters in materials engineering degree (from UF actually although I concentrated on polymers).
There's 2 things. First the size and shape of the primer strike might help identify the make or possibly the model (doesn't matter in this case since he left it). Unless they all get these from a 3rd party. Second, metal on metal strikes will cause small scratches over time. If a gun is recovered (say by warrant search) the lab bay be able to recreate the pattern on similar ammunition. I wouldn't think this would work for every case but may help in some.
If I understand you correctly, you're saying that each time the striker hits the primer it creates unique wear patterns. But that would mean to me a gun fired 100 times would look completely different after being fired 1000 times. Not sure if that would be helpful in this situation.
 
If I understand you correctly, you're saying that each time the striker hits the primer it creates unique wear patterns. But that would mean to me a gun fired 100 times would look completely different after being fired 1000 times. Not sure if that would be helpful in this situation.

note to self…..after blowing someone away, I need to go to the range and blow 4-5 boxes of ammo through my firearm
 
Me either but I do have a masters in materials engineering degree (from UF actually although I concentrated on polymers).
There's 2 things. First the size and shape of the primer strike might help identify the make or possibly the model (doesn't matter in this case since he left it). Unless they all get these from a 3rd party. Second, metal on metal strikes will cause small scratches over time. If a gun is recovered (say by warrant search) the lab bay be able to recreate the pattern on similar ammunition. I wouldn't think this would work for every case but may help in some.
I would look at it but I’d probably spend more time looking for/analyzing any scratch marks potentially left by either chambering over the feed ramp or any possibly left by the extractor.
 
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Agree on all accounts.

The restrictions on AR barrel lengths is stupid as well. You can have less than 16" but only with a tax stamp. That's ridiculous.

As LE, I can use a 12" or 14" on duty but I still have to have the stamp to own one. My department has to buy the stamp too ftr. Same gun with a different butt stock is considered a pistol and it's fine. Ridiculous.
Yeah but what’s even weirder (I guess) is by getting a 14” barrel and adding either a flash hider/muzzle break/compensator to the end that’ll bring it up to 16”. I’m assuming (without having researched I might add) that would bring the barrel up to a legal rifle configuration …. no ?

As I understand it, the muzzle device you add to the end of the barrel (sans suppressor) is considered an extension of the barrel.

And I’m not sure about that tax stamp thing for barrels shorter than 16”, I see plenty of AR’s available for purchase with short barrels (all the way down to 7.5”) that don’t mention anything about having to have a tax stamp to legally purchase/own them.

Now I may be wrong here, solid odds say I am, but I’m just not sure as I really have no use or interest in purchasing or building an AR incorporating a barrel shorter than 16”.
 
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Honest question, do you guys think it's reasonable to allow people to produce their own weapons but to then have to serialize and register that weapon?

I do...but as the man I might be biased.
Honestly, no.

With all due respect to LEO’s (this includes you Bama), I do not approve of mandatory registration of firearms.

Now I know there’s a record of the weapon (serial number) that is supplied to the state and the federal government upon the sale and background check but I’m talking about having to register the weapon with your local LE offices.

If I were to go down to my local police department and register my weapons with them then there’s now a record of what kind and how many weapons I own that’ll just make it easier for them to confiscate them if that were ever to pass here in Florida.

It‘s legal to own guns (the 2nd amendment guarantees that) so as long as I abide by the laws of gun ownership (and I most assuredly do) they have no right to know what I have.

So, in summation, I could go and register my guns with my PD but I absolutely will not until such time comes that I’m forced to legally.
 
If I understand you correctly, you're saying that each time the striker hits the primer it creates unique wear patterns. But that would mean to me a gun fired 100 times would look completely different after being fired 1000 times. Not sure if that would be helpful in this situation.

Those unique wear patterns distinguish one gun from another. Yes, over time it will continue to change but I'm also guessing that those changes would be somewhat predictable to an expert.

BTW, that expert would almost certainly have a Masters in Material Engineering like @LauderdaleNole .
 
Yeah but what’s even weirder (I guess) is by getting a 14” barrel and adding either a flash hider/muzzle break/compensator to the end that’ll bring it up to 16”. I’m assuming (without having researched I might add) that would bring the barrel up to a legal rifle configuration …. no ?

As I understand it, the muzzle device you add to the end of the barrel (sans suppressor) is considered an extension of the barrel.

And I’m not sure about that tax stamp thing for barrels shorter than 16”, I see plenty of AR’s available for purchase with short barrels (all the way down to 7.5”) that don’t mention anything about having to have a tax stamp to legally purchase/own them.

Now I may be wrong here, solid odds say I am, but I’m just not sure as I really have no use or interest in purchasing or building an AR incorporating a barrel shorter than 16”.
Those are are pistol uppers, if you put it on a receiver registered as a rifle you've just broken the law.
 
Yeah but what’s even weirder (I guess) is by getting a 14” barrel and adding either a flash hider/muzzle break/compensator to the end that’ll bring it up to 16”. I’m assuming (without having researched I might add) that would bring the barrel up to a legal rifle configuration …. no ?

As I understand it, the muzzle device you add to the end of the barrel (sans suppressor) is considered an extension of the barrel.

And I’m not sure about that tax stamp thing for barrels shorter than 16”, I see plenty of AR’s available for purchase with short barrels (all the way down to 7.5”) that don’t mention anything about having to have a tax stamp to legally purchase/own them.

Now I may be wrong here, solid odds say I am, but I’m just not sure as I really have no use or interest in purchasing or building an AR incorporating a barrel shorter than 16”.

I should know the answer to your question but honestly, I'm not sure. I don't believe the muzzle device added to the barrel count as barrel length. I could be wrong but that's my belief.

For AR's with less than 16" of barrel, check the fine print. Decent chance the butt stock isn't a true butt stock (rather a pistol stock technically) or, when you purchase it, you will be advised of the need to get a tax stamp ($200 btw).

Shorter barrel lengths are useful in certain tactical situations. For example, and this is my reason for needing it, clearing a building or heavy brush/wooded area, is easier with a shorter barrel. With a longer barrel and gun, getting through doorways is more difficult and cumbersome. Add to that your teammates, all of your gear and clutter in a crack heads home.

Perhaps most importantly, when you clear a doorway for example, if your barrel goes through before you do, that gives the bad guy an opportunity to grab that long a$$ barrel and now you're fighting for control of the weapon. Bad day.
 
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Honestly, no.

With all due respect to LEO’s (this includes you Bama), I do not approve of mandatory registration of firearms.

Now I know there’s a record of the weapon (serial number) that is supplied to the state and the federal government upon the sale and background check but I’m talking about having to register the weapon with your local LE offices.

If I were to go down to my local police department and register my weapons with them then there’s now a record of what kind and how many weapons I own that’ll just make it easier for them to confiscate them if that were ever to pass here in Florida.

It‘s legal to own guns (the 2nd amendment guarantees that) so as long as I abide by the laws of gun ownership (and I most assuredly do) they have no right to know what I have.

So, in summation, I could go and register my guns with my PD but I absolutely will not until such time comes that I’m forced to legally.

I respect that.

As far as having to register a weapon if you manufactured one for yourself, I meant in the same way as one must do when purchasing a weapon from a FFL agent. But either way I respect your answer...and I asked more out of curiosity.

Also of note....ain't no freaking chance that I will EVER be the LEO confiscating weapons if we ever went down that rabbit hole. That would be freaking suicidal...and they can have the badge back at that point.
 
I should know the answer to your question but honestly, I'm not sure. I don't believe the muzzle device added to the barrel count as barrel length. I could be wrong but that's my belief.

For AR's with less than 16" of barrel, check the fine print. Decent chance the butt stock isn't a true butt stock (rather a pistol stock technically) or, when you purchase it, you will be advised of the need to get a tax stamp ($200 btw).

Shorter barrel lengths are useful in certain tactical situations. For example, and this is my reason for needing it, clearing a building or heavy brush/wooded area, is easier with a shorter barrel. With a longer barrel and gun, getting through doorways is more difficult and cumbersome. Add to that your teammates, all of your gear and clutter in a crack heads home.

Perhaps most importantly, when you clear a doorway for example, if your barrel goes through before you do, that gives the bad guy an opportunity to grab that long a$$ barrel and now you're fighting for control of the weapon. Bad day.
I absolutely understand the need for the so called "pistol" rifles.
What you guys do in LE as it relates to Urban situations you definitely need to shorter barreled ar's. Just as it is with the Military and the Urban Warfare training they get and that type of training my son received when his Company went to White Sands to train with a bunch of Green Berets about 6 weeks ago.
There's a whole host of great compact weapons for LE and military use just for the close combat thing.
That being said, since I'm neither I don't really have any use for the shorter barreled ar's. I'll stick with my 16" and if I decide to go with a heavier round, like a .308/7.62x54 Nato then I might jump up to the 18" or 20" barrel.

As far as the top two "paragraphs" I guess I'll have to do some digging and research to come up with some answers to my questions. The more you know the better you're off.
 
I respect that.

As far as having to register a weapon if you manufactured one for yourself, I meant in the same way as one must do when purchasing a weapon from a FFL agent. But either way I respect your answer...and I asked more out of curiosity.

Also of note....ain't no freaking chance that I will EVER be the LEO confiscating weapons if we ever went down that rabbit hole. That would be freaking suicidal...and they can have the badge back at that point.
If I had to, I could hold off an infantry for several days but no chance local LE would ever try to invade homes in the small community I live in. We are all members of a veteran coalition and we are 2A Libertarians.
 
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My assets are unregistered and will remain so.

This will be hard to stop:

There are devices that can 3d scan a part and then you make it.
Barrels would probably be hard and definitely time consuming but firing pins are probably easy.

 
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My assets are unregistered and will remain so.

This will be hard to stop:

There are devices that can 3d scan a part and then you make it.
Barrels would probably be hard and definitely time consuming but firing pins are probably easy.

Barrels are far easier to make than you think. I just wouldn't use a 3d printer. The folks in the Kyber Pass use a pipe and a drill to make the grooves/lands.
 
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