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Patriots, Condemn This Man

President Trump’s first Secretary of Defense James Mattis called the riots in Washington, DC, today a "violent assault on our Capitol, an effort to subjugate American democracy by mob rule" and said it "was fomented by Mr. Trump.”

Mattis said Trump has used “the Presidency to destroy trust in our election and to poison our respect for fellow citizens has been enabled by pseudo-political leaders whose names will live in infamy as profiles in cowardice.”
 
fatman76 said:
I listened to the entire call, did you?

Did you catch the part where ole Raffy promised they investigated the SF Video of our girl Ruby, and everything was above board?

Trump then asks if they knew the breakdown of the votes scanned during that time and his lawyer said they did not.

The most important and basic, and publicly available information wasn’t even reviewed.

I’ll give you a hint since I know you’re in the dark - all (99%+) of those votes were for Biden. We have the reporting data from the machines.

There was never any investigation, Raffy is scrambling and buying time. They knew/know damn well what Ruby was going to do and did. He is so fooked.
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Nothing you said here changes the fact that Trump committed felony election fraud. I expect in about 15-21 days Georgia is going to issue a warrant for his arrest. Gotta wait until he's no longer president.
 
GhostOfMatchesMalone said:
He released the call for the media to give him cover for what Trump intends to do next. Which I am guessing will negate his claims that he had no idea the fraud was being committed.

Reminder: If they knew fraud was committed and certified the results anyway...that's a big no-no.
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He still committed felony election fraud on the call. None of these other arguments change that.
 
BSC911 said:
The timing may or may not be coincidental. I don’t know why he would want to hurt the Pubs, since he is one, but instead was just defending himself against one of Trumps tweets claiming he was incompetent.

I don’t think it is illegal, but certainly is tampering, so it should be. Since the results have already been certified, it doesn’t really make any difference. I don’t think he could change the vote totals even if he wanted to.

What it does show is the type of person Trump is. That he is willing to do and say anything to keep from losing. Who knows how many other unrecorded calls and meetings of a similar nature have taken place. I would guess quite a few. This should not be any big surprise to anyone that has followed Trumps career.

A scorpion can’t change its nature.
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You don't think it was criminal? He demanded they "find" enough votes to give him Georgia. That's felony election fraud. It may or may not be for a lesser person, but when you are the President of the United States, if you make that demand, that's COERCION. It trips the statute.
 
LizardGrad89 said:
You don't think it was criminal? He demanded they "find" enough votes to give him Georgia. That's felony election fraud. It may or may not be for a lesser person, but when you are the President of the United States, if you make that demand, that's COERCION. It trips the statute.
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Well, I’m not familiar with the election laws, but I would hope Trumps lawyer on the call would know better. But nobody can control Trump when he goes rogue, so who knows.

I think he has bigger problems though.
 
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BSC911 said:
Well, I’m not familiar with the election laws, but I would hope Trumps lawyer on the call would know better. But nobody can control Trump when he goes tongue, so who knows.

I think he has bigger problems though.
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So many problems.
 
LizardGrad89 said:
Nothing you said here changes the fact that Trump committed felony election fraud. I expect in about 15-21 days Georgia is going to issue a warrant for his arrest. Gotta wait until he's no longer president.
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What did Trump do? I guess I missed something.
 
fatman76 said:
What did Trump do? I guess I missed something.
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Listen to his phone call to Georgia where he attempts to coerce the SOS to "create" ballots for him, enough to win the election.

See below. Technically, it wasn't a voter he attempted to coerce, it was the SOS, but it's not hard to extend the law in this case. And it's not 1 vote, but over 11,000. Or you could say he wanted 11,000+ counterfeit ballots. That works too. I think that's enough to make it a felony. But the reality is Georgia will probably let it slide, rather than deal with all the ramifications arresting and trying him would create.

Unlawful Acts by Other Individuals


Individuals outside the election process can face serious penalties if they commit acts that threaten the integrity of the election process. Most states make it a crime to:

  • intimidate, threaten, or coerce a voter in an effort to influence their vote or decision to vote
  • offer a bribe or other compensation to influence someone’s vote
  • tamper with a person’s ballot
  • make a counterfeit ballot, or
  • interfere with a voter’s access to the polling place (physically or by deception).
Penalties for the above crimes range from misdemeanors to felonies, depending on the seriousness of the offense. Felony penalties typically apply when conduct involves corruption, bribery, or threats of harm.
 
LizardGrad89 said:
Nothing you said here changes the fact that Trump committed felony election fraud. I expect in about 15-21 days Georgia is going to issue a warrant for his arrest. Gotta wait until he's no longer president.
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So in 15-21 days we should see a warrant for his arrest?
 
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LizardGrad89 said:
You don't think it was criminal? He demanded they "find" enough votes to give him Georgia. That's felony election fraud. It may or may not be for a lesser person, but when you are the President of the United States, if you make that demand, that's COERCION. It trips the statute.
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Someone said libs aren't big on hyperbole.


Maybe...lemme think about it.
 
BamaFan1137 said:
So in 15-21 days we should see a warrant for his arrest?
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Well, I believe he committed felony election fraud. Can I guarantee Georgia will follow through? Too many variables to say for sure, but the certainly could if they so chose.
 
BamaFan1137 said:
So in 15-21 days we should see a warrant for his arrest?
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notice he backpedaled already? It’s because none of the bullet points he listed match up with what the President said. I mean, we are still waiting on those dominion suits to drop
 
LizardGrad89 said:
Well, I believe he committed felony election fraud. Can I guarantee Georgia will follow through? Too many variables to say for sure, but the certainly could if they so chose.
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We disagree.

Even if we saw that phone call in the same light, which we certainly do not, there's no way warrants are issued. Not that bad behavior would excuse bad behavior but if Hillary can get away with fixing Blackberrys with hammers then Trump could get away with what you described above.
 
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For all of you who claim to be libertarians, here is their official position

We are against the initiation of force to achieve political or social goals, which is what Trump incited that mob to try to do Wednesday. There are real grievances out there to engage, that Trump and others have obviously exploited for their own benefit
 
BSC911 said:
For all of you who claim to be libertarians, here is their official position

We are against the initiation of force to achieve political or social goals, which is what Trump incited that mob to try to do Wednesday. There are real grievances out there to engage, that Trump and others have obviously exploited for their own benefit
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When we impeaching kamala?
 
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BSC911 said:
For all of you who claim to be libertarians, here is their official position

We are against the initiation of force to achieve political or social goals, which is what Trump incited that mob to try to do Wednesday. There are real grievances out there to engage, that Trump and others have obviously exploited for their own benefit
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Agree save the part about incitement. It's fair to say that Trump was reckless but Trump stood to gain nothing by "inciting" idiots to storm the Capitol.
 
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BamaFan1137 said:
Agree save the part about incitement. It's fair to say that Trump was reckless but Trump stood to gain nothing by "inciting" idiots to storm the Capitol.
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At a minimum, he did nothing to stop it. Especially the more aggressive talk from Jr. , Giuliani and others.
 
BSC911 said:
At a minimum, he did nothing to stop it. Especially the more aggressive talk from Jr. , Giuliani and others.
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How long did it take Biden to denounce the riots?

And thankfully Trump wasn't helping bail people out of jail so that they could repeat their idiotic behavior like Harris.

The double standards are pretty asinine imho but not unexpected.
 
BamaFan1137 said:
How long did it take Biden to denounce the riots?

And thankfully Trump wasn't helping bail people out of jail so that they could repeat their idiotic behavior like Harris.

The double standards are pretty asinine imho but not unexpected.
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I agree. Biden should have done it earlier. But he also didn't encourage them to March on Congress either.

You seem to think they are equal. I don't.
 
BSC911 said:
For all of you who claim to be libertarians, here is their official position

We are against the initiation of force to achieve political or social goals, which is what Trump incited that mob to try to do Wednesday. There are real grievances out there to engage, that Trump and others have obviously exploited for their own benefit
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BSC911 said:
At a minimum, he did nothing to stop it. Especially the more aggressive talk from Jr. , Giuliani and others.
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Still waiting for those calls to remove kamala, who ACTUALLY is on video inciting riots
 
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BSC911 said:
I agree. Biden should have done it earlier. But he also didn't encourage them to March on Congress either.

You seem to think they are equal. I don't.
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I don't think they're equal either. $4 billion in damage is much worse.

But is that what we're doing?....comparing their relative badness looking for the moral high ground? I'm not sure I see the point.

But some of you are super quick to rip Trump as the freaking devil for his role on the Capitol while all of you voted for two people who made serious mistakes, if not outright complicity on Harris' part, with regards to this past summers riots.
 
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BamaFan1137 said:
I don't think they're equal either. $4 billion in damage is much worse.

But is that what we're doing?....comparing their relative badness looking for the moral high ground? I'm not sure I see the point.

But some of you are super quick to rip Trump as the freaking devil for his role on the Capitol while all of you voted for two people who made serious mistakes, if not outright complicity on Harris' part, with regards to this past summers riots.
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Sorry, I just consider interfering with our democratic process more significant than burning a few buildings. Both bad, but one is anarchy. And most people, including many Pubs, agree.
 
BSC911 said:
Sorry, I just consider interfering with our democratic process more significant than burning a few buildings. Both bad, but one is anarchy. And most people, including many Pubs, agree.
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I consider trying to save our republic, and a group that wants to see our country follow the constitution as a patriotic act vs one who wants to tear apart our republic in favor of communism. Just sayin.
 
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BSC911 said:
Sorry, I just consider interfering with our democratic process more significant than burning a few buildings. Both bad, but one is anarchy. And most people, including many Pubs, agree.
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Good Lord...probably easier for you to do since you didn't own any of those buildings.

If this wasn't a troll, shame on you. If it was a troll, shame on you.
 
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Both bad, but one is anarchy.
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Missed this sentence because the rest was so ridiculous...

Only one was anarchy? And it wasn't the one where cities across the country erupted in flames?

🤣

You cannot make stuff like this up. @BSC911 get in this thread and say derp.
 
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BamaFan1137 said:
Missed this sentence because the rest was so ridiculous...

Only one was anarchy? And it wasn't the one where cities across the country erupted in flames?

🤣

You cannot make stuff like this up. @BSC911 get in this thread and say derp.
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Yep. Derp. One was worse than the other.
 
BSC911 said:
Yep. Derp. One was worse than the other.
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Correct...the one that caused $4 billion in damages.

They burned entire sections of cities. What's worse, often white hipsters burned black owned businesses in the name of social justice. Freaking wow.

Be a man....admit you were wrong or you’ll lose another point.
 
LizardGrad89 said:
Listen to his phone call to Georgia where he attempts to coerce the SOS to "create" ballots for him, enough to win the election.

See below. Technically, it wasn't a voter he attempted to coerce, it was the SOS, but it's not hard to extend the law in this case. And it's not 1 vote, but over 11,000. Or you could say he wanted 11,000+ counterfeit ballots. That works too. I think that's enough to make it a felony. But the reality is Georgia will probably let it slide, rather than deal with all the ramifications arresting and trying him would create.

Unlawful Acts by Other Individuals


Individuals outside the election process can face serious penalties if they commit acts that threaten the integrity of the election process. Most states make it a crime to:

  • intimidate, threaten, or coerce a voter in an effort to influence their vote or decision to vote
  • offer a bribe or other compensation to influence someone’s vote
  • tamper with a person’s ballot
  • make a counterfeit ballot, or
  • interfere with a voter’s access to the polling place (physically or by deception).
Penalties for the above crimes range from misdemeanors to felonies, depending on the seriousness of the offense. Felony penalties typically apply when conduct involves corruption, bribery, or threats of harm.
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You clearly didn't listen to the call.
 
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