Numbers, my man
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The midline quote was bullying. Yes, coach Muschamp, you know more about football than the reporters. That's why they're asking you the questions, you dumb hick.
"Only three?" When I first read that, I thought it was tongue in cheek.
Are you guys serious? "Only three?" My goodness.
One has to go back to the Bryant days to find another Alabama coach that has won three titles. So to say "only three" boarders on the absurd. In fact, there are only a handful of coaches in history that have legitimately won three titles. To say nothing of four total, with one being at another program. The man is the best college coach, period.
There are parts of coaching that Saban does really, really well. Recruiting is one. There are few other coaches that are even remotely in his league in that aspect of coaching. Developing a winning culture through his "process" is another very strong Saban suit. That approach plus his famous attention to detail are his babies. If he didn't invent them, he took them to a whole 'nother level.
Are there parts of his coaching where other coaches do better? Probably. In fact, most certainly. He is not as creative in the Xs and Os as some other coaches. His game day adjustments are sometime head scratchers. But coaching is the whole ball of wax. So, I find it amusing when people write; "With all that talent, he should have been more successful." Ok, maybe. But who is responsible for "all that talent?" And what coach in history has accomplished more than Saban, over a similar period of time?
Fisher is actually following the same approach. I think Fisher is a few notches below Saban. The next few years will tell if I am right about that.
I agree with MJ. It seems like Saban has a hard time adjusting when "the process" breaks down, but the results speak for themselves. Being at 'Bama makes it easier, but that program was in the wilderness for a long time before he got there.
I do think the spread offenses, and the up tempo stuff is a real challenge for his style of play.
I do think the spread offenses, and the up tempo stuff is a real challenge for his style of play.
MJ, I obviously meant that in the context of the perception of Saban's dominance.
Something Michi said made me think of it when he mentioned "winning the SEC at a Saban like clip."
Well, to be fair, in 8 years, despite all his wins, he only has three SEC titles.
I have a feeling that if you polled the general fans throughout the country and asked them how many times Saban has won the SEC at Alabama, they'd probably think it's more like 5.
2009, 2012, 2014. That's it, and honestly, it's a little odd, considering.
Something Michi said made me think of it when he mentioned "winning the SEC at a Saban like clip."
Well, to be fair, in 8 years, despite all his wins, he only has three SEC titles.
I have a feeling that if you polled the general fans throughout the country and asked them how many times Saban has won the SEC at Alabama, they'd probably think it's more like 5.
2009, 2012, 2014. That's it, and honestly, it's a little odd, considering.
Why are you talking about National Titles? The discussion was about SEC Titles. 3 SEC Titles just isn't all that impressive in the context that people talk about Saban. To Danny's point, if you polled most non-SEC fans, and hell even some SEC fans, they'd have you believe Saban has won the SEC 6-7 times and has just run through the conference. Meyer got 2 in a very short time period. Mark Richt has 2. Miles has 2, etc. That's my only point, people act as if he's owned the SEC and it really ain't the case.
I also don't get the National Titles argument as the end all be-all for determining a coaches greatness. Bama has had a lot of luck in two of those years. One year they won the title despite not even winning their own damn division! In the current format they wouldn't have even gotten in the playoffs that year since they didn't win their conference. Over the last 10 years, multiple programs such as LSU, Oregon, and OSU have better records than Bama despite nowhere near the same level of talent. But all that should be discarded because in 11' and 12' a couple of teams lost late and allowed them to get a mulligan? Plenty of teams throughout history have lost 1 game while dominating the 11 others (see TCU or Baylor this year) and didn't get a shot because of it. Having someone lose late to give you another shot is more luck than it is skill. He's a great coach, I'd be foolish to argue otherwise. But he most definitely gets a lot of his shortcomings and outright failures overlooked because people are too busy worshiping rings without looking at the entire context of a situation.
Amazingly his health has been fine as long as he is winning.
He's a scumbag. Good coach but pure scum.
He's a scumbag. Good coach but pure scum.
Fair point, oozie. But I think even that point needs context. He only won three SEC titles in the context of a span of time where three other SEC programs also won several national titles. The years that Saban did not win a national title, how often did the results of one game determine which team would play for the national title or win the SEC?
For example, if Alabama beats LSU and Auburn in the years they both won or played for the SEC and National Titles, would it have been Alabama in the SECCG instead? And Florida beat Alabama in the SECCG one year where a Tide win sends them to the title game.
The point is this; any team that gets to and wins the SECCG almost always results in a title spot. Or now a play-off spot. Gettign there and winning is very, very tough though.
FWIW Saban has won 5 SEC titles. 3 of those at Bama like everybody is saying but I think you have to include his LSU days as well.
Originally posted by 46885:
Muschamp forreal is dumb. I don't even care about him targeting recruits of ours because that's his job. But how can you negative recruit the school you JUST left? It's going to make you look like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. What should they believe? What you were saying at UF or what you're saying now? That man is special.
Muschamp's just doing his job. Its Foleys fault for giving him one he wasn't prepared or qualified for, and cheering him on every step of the way as he destroyed our program.
Muschamp pointing out that our program is a big runny dump right now is just business. Lord knows Auburn isn't dumb enough to let him run anything other than defense
Muschamp pointing out that our program is a big runny dump right now is just business. Lord knows Auburn isn't dumb enough to let him run anything other than defense
I agree he's doing his job which is why I'm not tripping about it. I'm just laughing because he's too dense to realize that negative recruiting UF reflects poorly on him. I can imagine how a hypothetical convo would go.
Muschamp: don't go to UF. They're in rough shape and won't compete for anything while you're there. They have little talent and the players aren't developed well. Come play for me and I'll get you to the next level.
Recruit: weren't you the head coach there the last few years?
Muschamp: yea, so?
Recruit: oh....
Muschamp: don't go to UF. They're in rough shape and won't compete for anything while you're there. They have little talent and the players aren't developed well. Come play for me and I'll get you to the next level.
Recruit: weren't you the head coach there the last few years?
Muschamp: yea, so?
Recruit: oh....
